RIT honors seminar, developing for the OLPC XO/03 April 2009
Karlie Robinson attended the Seminar on 03 April 2009 and started the chat session below:
irc://irc.freenode.net#fedora-olpc edited transcript: 10:02 KarlieRobinson good morning everyone 10:02 KarlieRobinson we're about to get underway at RIT 10:03 KarlieRobinson ke4qqq: ping 10:03 Nashella Hello KarlieRobinson 10:03 FGrose Good morning 10:03 ke4qqq pong 10:03 ke4qqq KarlieRobinson: pong 10:04 KarlieRobinson hello hello 10:04 KarlieRobinson I'm at RIT on a winvista and a crazy keyboard - please forgive typos as I'm not going to correct the 10:04 KarlieRobinson them 10:04 KarlieRobinson grrrr 10:05 KarlieRobinson ke4qqq: will you be lurking this am? 10:05 *** cwickert1 joined #fedora-olpc n=chris@p508FE395.dip.t-dialin.net 10:05 *** cwickert quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) n=chris@fedora/cwickert 10:05 ke4qqq I lurk all the time :) 10:05 ke4qqq vista??? ewwww... 10:05 ke4qqq feels sorry for KarlieRobinson 10:06 KarlieRobinson Yeah, I'm going to have to wash my hands when I'm done 10:07 *** mib_kte4ewao joined #fedora-olpc i=81151c01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0569d0d2f4b11258 (Mibbit) 10:07 *** cwickert1 left #fedora-olpc n=chris@p508FE395.dip.t-dialin.net 10:08 *** tomeu joined #fedora-olpc n=tomeu@sunjammer.sugarlabs.org 10:08 KarlieRobinson Steve Jacobs just announced he'll be able to attend the rest of the classes 10:08 KarlieRobinson now he wants an update on what has happened in the last few classes - especially teams and progress 10:10 KarlieRobinson one team - competition style activities where there are winners and brackets as well as ways to eliminate issues with the same student winning all the time 10:10 *** ltl-b103 joined #fedora-olpc n=urk@ltl-10.rit.edu 10:10 KarlieRobinson also reporting of grades to the teacher based on performance within the software 10:11 *** ltl-b103 is now known as JamesonFinney 10:12 KarlieRobinson students will be talking about who the audience is - since they're not RIT students 10:12 KarlieRobinson head to head games with girls of this age bracket is a turn-off (Jacobs) 10:13 KarlieRobinson Girls - effort builds something together 10:16 KarlieRobinson in the next week, the class needs to put out more ideas than we have people for. the good ideas will gain team support, others will go to the back burner as the class concentrates on certain projects till the end of class 10:18 KarlieRobinson students will be graded based on what they leave for the community to build upon 10:18 *** bbl5660 joined #fedora-olpc i=81151cdc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ac6022002ba67b3 (Mibbit) 10:19 KarlieRobinson Team 2 - research on FunTower 10:19 KarlieRobinson thought this would be easy to adapt 10:21 KarlieRobinson Jacobs sounds like the first goal would be to adapt it for more complex problems and we might want to match to API and then multi-user 10:22 KarlieRobinson Jacobs - documentation is going to be big and support materials for teachers 10:22 KarlieRobinson No assumption that teachers will understand and we don't know what level the students are at 10:23 KarlieRobinson Team 3 - Math Minute idea 10:23 KarlieRobinson interest in XO networking abilities 10:24 KarlieRobinson Jacobs - if we wanted we could combine everything we've talked about so far all against the computer or individuals 10:24 KarlieRobinson team 4 - matching application right question to the right answer 10:25 KarlieRobinson client server application 10:25 *** Eldrac joined #fedora-olpc i=81151c11@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bd52330d5b2de53d (Mibbit) 10:25 KarlieRobinson did some GUI design but they're liking the API 10:25 *** sdziallas_ joined #fedora-olpc n=sebastia@87.162.202.90 10:26 *** JeremiahGreen joined #fedora-olpc i=81151c1b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88f22d5f3738bce4 (Mibbit) 10:26 KarlieRobinson The trick is making the API flexible enough to cover all of these applications 10:26 KarlieRobinson team 5 10:28 *** wwdillingham joined #fedora-olpc i=81151c1a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1388368544ce23ad (Mibbit) 10:28 KarlieRobinson thinking about mesh networking 10:28 KarlieRobinson feels it's a little slow etc 10:29 KarlieRobinson Jacobs - let's tie the mesh work with the troubles we're having with application development 10:30 KarlieRobinson Group 6 - talking about competition flash cards game 10:30 ke4qqq KarlieRobinson: do they know about the effective limits of mesh networking - ie the more nodes present it's slower? 10:31 KarlieRobinson as in who's first to answer. Time limits and aggregate scores 10:31 KarlieRobinson Nope - but I'll pas it on for you ke4qqq 10:31 ke4qqq I understand that around 40 nodes == unusable. 10:32 ke4qqq but someone else is prolly omre qualied to speak to that subject 10:32 ke4qqq qualified even 10:32 KarlieRobinson ke4qqq: yes and we won't be beta testing on large networks 10:32 JeremiahGreen I guess that explains why when the whole class is together the mesh networking seems to pop in and out. Machines connect then disconnect and reconnect again later. 10:33 wwdillingham knowing this, can we break up half the class into smaller meshes? 10:33 ke4qqq wwdillingham: honestly I don't know - I'll make a note to ask mchua though. 10:33 KarlieRobinson School server - really cool if we have time. 10:33 JeremiahGreen wwdillingham: would they need to connect different routers to be isolated? 10:34 ke4qqq JeremiahGreen: the point of mesh is to do it sans routers 10:34 KarlieRobinson must things talking to each other first - push to other applications second 10:34 *** qalthos quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) n=nate@blackmagic.rit.edu 10:34 ke4qqq it's peer to peer ad hoc networking of sourts 10:34 ke4qqq sorts 10:35 KarlieRobinson ke4qqq: looks like you're on a wonky keyboard this morning too 10:35 ke4qqq yeah, but at least I am running linux 10:35 KarlieRobinson Jacobs would like the class to put forth a more detailed list of what has been discovered so far 10:35 KarlieRobinson ke4qqq: :) 10:36 wwdillingham it would be a challenge to figure out how to determine when to inititate the multiple meshes, and who belongs to which. However with the list of mac addresses we could default the various networks. Dynamically choosing the meshes though woudl be hard 10:36 *** Qalthos joined #fedora-olpc n=nate@it-roam28-91.it.rit.edu 10:36 ke4qqq wish Mel was on now 10:39 KarlieRobinson Jacobs wants the math4 delicious list to get longer 10:39 KarlieRobinson as well as better 10:39 wwdillingham i feel like the 11-12 posts i tagged as maths4olpc were never added to the delicious... 10:39 wwdillingham "for:maths4olpc" rather 10:40 mib_kte4ewao wwdillingham: it sounds like maybe eric needs to approve them first 10:41 mib_kte4ewao wtf @ my name 10:41 *** mib_kte4ewao is now known as breen 10:41 KarlieRobinson looking for educators to wade through the massive amount of info to get the delicious data to a more usable form 10:43 *** sdziallas quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) n=sebastia@p57A2E733.dip.t-dialin.net 10:43 KarlieRobinson Jacobs - for next time - maybe an email during the week - deadline will be posted. The group here at RIT needs to decide what they want to work on 10:43 KarlieRobinson being specific on outcomes 10:44 *** homunq joined #fedora-olpc n=chema@189.132.29.23 10:44 *** sdziallas_ is now known as sdziallas 10:44 KarlieRobinson Next Friday the students will nail down what's being worked on as well as time lines and deliverables. 10:45 KarlieRobinson Jacobs has confirmed guests to talk with the class on game and educational development 10:46 KarlieRobinson Jacobs is also talking with Mchua about a visit to Rochester 10:47 KarlieRobinson Now class will talk more about the applications that the students have looked at 10:47 KarlieRobinson Talking about Wesnoth - turn based role play 10:48 KarlieRobinson games aren't installing well on the XO 10:49 KarlieRobinson bridge - building with blocks to create bridges - problem solving 10:49 KarlieRobinson Jacobs - how to tie bridge to the math standards 10:53 KarlieRobinson Next game - when games and aps in early dev stages, talk with the dev team - Good advice 10:54 wwdillingham err, where do we signup for mailing list? 10:55 JeremiahGreen wwdillingham: I can't tell I see a bunch on
10:55 ke4qqq which mailing lists do you want to be on wwdillingham 10:56 KarlieRobinson visit the math4team page at sugar it's listed there
10:57 KarlieRobinson
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/fourthgrademath
10:57 wwdillingham ty 10:57 KarlieRobinson you can then sort it into a folder by the [math4] subject header 10:57 *** nikeunltd joined #fedora-olpc i=81151c03@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5f1473507d24d502 (Mibbit) 10:57 nikeunltd name Kennedy_RIT 10:59 KarlieRobinson just had an open house group stop by 10:59 KarlieRobinson aka fresh meat for my FOSS master plan 11:02 KarlieRobinson the best selling game of all time is sim city - it's a spreadsheet 11:02 KarlieRobinson when thinking about applying that to other things 11:03 KarlieRobinson Localization of this type of Tycoon type games- is it a hot dog stand? Lemonade? Fish market? 11:04 *** jsgotangco quit ("Ciao") n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco 11:04 *** nikeunltd is now known as Kennedy_rit 11:04 Kennedy_rit eric, would it be alright if i leave class early? 11:04 KarlieRobinson Eric Grace has extensive notes on games. 11:04 *** ivazquez joined #fedora-olpc n=ivazquez@fedora/ignacio 11:05 KarlieRobinson Jacobs asked that Eric Grace update his notes with what FGrose has already posted to the wiki
11:07 bbl5660 FOUND:
11:08 bbl5660 That's Fred's page on what is useful or not 11:08 Kennedy_rit awesome!
11:08 bbl5660 I'll add a link to it from the
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/RIT_honors_seminar%2C_developing_for_the_OLPC_XO/
and Maths4OLPC wiki pages11:08 wwdillingham do fourth graders like sudoku too? 11:09 breen wwdillingham: i hope not 11:09 wwdillingham breen: why? 11:09 Kennedy_rit wwdillingham: they should =] 11:10 breen wwdillingham: it seems a bit time consuming for the application of comparatively simple math principles 11:10 breen wwdillingham: that is, balancing a whole grid vs. underlying addition/subtraction 11:10 breen wwdillingham: then again.. maybe? 11:11 wwdillingham so its too difficult to program or the kids wouldnt like it? 11:11 breen wwdillingham: my guess is the latter 11:11 wwdillingham i actually dont think it would be too bad 11:11 breen wwdillingham: oh sorry, by time consuming i meant their use 11:11 breen wwdillingham: not development 11:11 wwdillingham especially if there is a database already of sudoku problems 11:12 breen wwdillingham: but honestly i'm not basing this on much 11:13 KarlieRobinson Wow I just had an idea - what about using tamtam applcations to explain fractions? Quarter notes whole notes etc? 11:13 wwdillingham verification of correctness would just be adding up var[x][0-9] and var[0-9][x] to make sure 1-9 was contained in all 11:14 breen wwdillingham: i agree that the *development* would be simple 11:14 wwdillingham but.. sudoku not on paper is hard 11:14 wwdillingham you need scratch paper really 11:14 breen wwdillingham: true 11:14 wwdillingham which would be the challenge i guess 11:15 wwdillingham time consuming yes but freakin fun 11:15 breen wwdillingham: actually... rows could be highlighted green when balanced 11:15 wwdillingham nice thought 11:15 breen to help indicate progress to the student 11:16 breen maybe some sort of hint mechanism if they get stuck in a quagmire 11:16 Qalthos don't forget that each square needs to be balanced as well 11:16 Qalthos in my opinion the most annoying part 11:17 *** Neablis joined #fedora-olpc n=GDDAdmin@cl1-10.it.rit.edu 11:17 breen it might be worthwhile to just use one quadrant as the entire grid 11:17 KarlieRobinson how could you play an "open air market" game as a colaboration? 11:17 breen in favor of simplicity 11:17 KarlieRobinson Who grows the lemons? Who refines the sugar? 11:17 wwdillingham yes, but i think if both rows and columns are balanced so must be the squares 11:17 KarlieRobinson how does the economy work? 11:17 wwdillingham am i wrong? probably 11:18 Qalthos not necessarily 11:18 Qalthos I think 11:18 Qalthos otherwise diagonals could contain the same number within a square 11:19 breen Qalthos: ah, there it is. seems right 11:19 Qalthos Personally, I keep confusing it with a magic square, which usually has none of the uniqueness requirements 11:20 Qalthos or if it does, you only get one of each number, at least from the ones I've done 11:20 *** Kennedy_rit quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c03@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5f1473507d24d502 11:24 wwdillingham http://home.dlma.com/Download/sudoku/index.html 11:24 KarlieRobinson Jacobs feels that some sort of tycoon game (lemonade stand) could be something some of us could play with since it fits nicely with other forms of aid - heiffer.org, micro loans and such that are successful at uplifting village economies 11:24 KarlieRobinson Now moving on to early education discussion
11:27 KarlieRobinson we are at
http://pbs.org/parents/childdevelopmenttracker/ 11:30 KarlieRobinson http://www.pbs.org/parents/childdevelopmenttracker/eight/mathematics.html
11:33 KarlieRobinson Jacobs asks - how much are we developing to an age, or to a math level? 11:35 KarlieRobinson
11:35 KarlieRobinson OLPC deployment maps 11:41 KarlieRobinson Talking game development now 11:42 KarlieRobinson Core mechanics - in Mario it's Run and Jump 11:43 KarlieRobinson Start with the core mechanics - what the program will do - then what the program can do and finally, cool if we get to it features 11:43 KarlieRobinson in 6 weeks the RIT class would like to get the Core mechanics working for the math applications 11:44 KarlieRobinson by asking what is the core mechanics? In the world bank model the core mechanics is buy and sell 11:44 KarlieRobinson It's always there and it keeps getting better 11:44 *** JamesonFinney quit ("Class over.") n=urk@ltl-10.rit.edu 11:45 *** breen quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0569d0d2f4b11258 11:45 *** Eldrac quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c11@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bd52330d5b2de53d 11:46 KarlieRobinson Class is over for now - must do is for students to get on the math4 mailing list and to choose a project to begin working on. etc student centric 11:46 *** JeremiahGreen quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c1b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88f22d5f3738bce4 11:47 *** KarlieRobinson quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c0e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4a49db3ec8289231 11:47 wwdillingham lets hope free lunch from this open hosue 11:48 *** wwdillingham quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151c1a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1388368544ce23ad 11:48 *** Neablis left #fedora-olpc n=GDDAdmin@cl1-10.it.rit.edu 11:59 *** bbl5660 quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") i=81151cdc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1ac6022002ba67b3 12:01 *** Nashella quit ("Leaving.") n=nmichel@fedora/nashella 12:02 *** Qalthos quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) n=nate@it-roam28-91.it.rit.edu
