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* XO-1.5 early production machines available but shipping temporarily delayed this month:

* New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach:

* Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?!

* Fast Review of the 10 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please
  join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals:

 #1 Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda
 #2 Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA
 #3 Moneague College - Jamaica
 #4 XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia
 #5 "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas
 #6 SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands
 #7 Developing education resources - Australia/Timor
 #8 Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise
 #9 XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North Dakota State University
 #10 Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya

<CanoeBerry> AGENDA HERE:
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[ PROJECT #1 - Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda ]

<CanoeBerry> Let's begin with Project #1 here -- please all help critique/mentor and vote for:
<CanoeBerry> Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 10 XOs over 12 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Background/Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     - enhancing the current children learning activties through the
<CanoeBerry>       development of a creative learning environment with the 
<CanoeBerry> availability of
<CanoeBerry>       laptops for recreation.
<CanoeBerry>     - provide entertainment and a learning experience for the children in
<CanoeBerry>       nansana.
<CanoeBerry>     - develop a children's gaming station as part of the current resource
<CanoeBerry>       centre where after reading,children can engage in some 
<CanoeBerry> recreational and
<CanoeBerry>       educational entertainment.
<CanoeBerry>     - introduction of OLPC/Sugar community in one community in the country.
<CanoeBerry> I think this project needs more prep, comments from others?
<KGMac> agreed
<CanoeBerry> Their blog is lacking so far.
<CanoeBerry> Let's move on, OK?
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<CanoeBerry> ON HOLD
<bernie> it looked cool
<CanoeBerry> Final thoughts Bernie?
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<CanoeBerry> Let's jump forward..

[ PROJECT #2 - Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA ]

<CanoeBerry> Plz all review/mentor/vote for Project #2 here:
<CanoeBerry> Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS 
<CanoeBerry> awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 9 XOs over 2-3 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     1. To equip teachers and pupils with basic computer skills using the XO
<CanoeBerry>        laptop.
<CanoeBerry>     2. To improve understanding and performance of science 
<CanoeBerry> subjectsincluding
<CanoeBerry>        maths using the xo activities
<CanoeBerry>     3. Actively engaging children in their learning process.
<CanoeBerry>     4. Increase school attendance rate in rural schools and ctively 
<CanoeBerry> engaging
<CanoeBerry>        children in their learning process.
<CanoeBerry>     5. Increasing HIV/AIDS awareness and thus helping leaners live a HIV
<CanoeBerry>        free life.
<CanoeBerry> Sounds great, but a blog of their past work needs to be more prominently out there.
<CanoeBerry> Proposals for 10 XOs really do need a blog showing their track record.
<CanoeBerry> Even if an early blog still in formation, or other public/community publishing of their contributions..
<CanoeBerry> Thoughts?
<CanoeBerry> Votes?
<ndoiron> are they specific about how they will teach about HIV/AIDS using the XOs?
<bernie> yeah it's nto clear if they're planning to create software, content or just use the laptop to surf the web
<CanoeBerry> Exactly: these guys had a blog in the past but I can't find it, nor did they include it in the proposal as required.
<ndoiron> they talk a lot more about the math(s) side
<CanoeBerry> I vote to put this one on hold til the story is more complete.
<CanoeBerry> Others please vote your conscience.
<CanoeBerry> Anyone care to help nudge this project along?
<ndoiron> on hold, recommend they expand health goals or shift focus to math and computer skills
<KGMac> any opp for partial shipment?
<CanoeBerry> Mentors most welcome!
<CanoeBerry> KGMac: partial shipments are possible, but expensive to Africa.
<CanoeBerry> Much better to get to get the full story straight.
<KGMac> true, very true
<CanoeBerry> Customs fees are not worth it if it's a half-hearted proposal.
<CanoeBerry> OLPC pay larges sums for customs fees and logistics here.
<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #3?
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<CanoeBerry> ON HOLD

[ PROJECT #3 - Moneague College - Jamaica ]

<CanoeBerry> Thanks. Let's check out Project #3 here now -- please all vote and comment on:
<CanoeBerry> Moneague College - Jamaica
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 10 XOs over 24 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     The objectives of this pilot project shall be to:
<CanoeBerry>     * Expose teacher educators and student teachers (the next cohort of
<CanoeBerry>       class teachers) to the XO laptops and software for use in the 
<CanoeBerry> teaching and
<CanoeBerry>       learning process
<CanoeBerry>     * Provide the tools for the practical completion of the Technology in
<CanoeBerry>       Education course objectives for the target group of student teachers
<CanoeBerry>     * Demonstrate that the XO software can be used across content areas
<CanoeBerry>     * Provide an incentive and equipment for student teachers to propose
<CanoeBerry>        and execute technology/computer centred final year teaching practice 
<CanoeBerry> projects
<CanoeBerry>     * Contribute to the bank of Sugar lesson plans and videos in
<CanoeBerry>       conjunction with UWI pilots
<CanoeBerry>     * Assist the OLPC Jamaica Team with teacher training for their
<CanoeBerry>       projects at Providence Basic and August Town Primary schools.
<CanoeBerry>     * Assist the Ministry of Education and Youth and Education
<CanoeBerry>       Transformation Team with achieving 100% literacy by 2015,
<CanoeBerry>       by using/integrating the XOs into daily teachings for the
<CanoeBerry>       same set of children over the life of the project
<bernie> does work for anyone? I can't access it
<CanoeBerry> Works for me.
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<cgueret> hi!
<CanoeBerry> bernie: are you getting DNS issues w/ in general?
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: bonjour!
<cgueret> sorry, I'm a bit late for the meeting
<cgueret> was busy cooking :P
<CanoeBerry> No Prob.
<KGMac> loks very well thoguth out
<bernie> the internet is selectively bad for me today. the rest of the olpc wiki works fine.. bah
<CanoeBerry> Let's support this where we can -- 2 great teacher-trainer in Jamaica building out Sugar pedagoy / curricula.
<CanoeBerry> This group has bought 100+ XO-1.5 for delivery later this fall, but they need to get up to speed.
<CanoeBerry> 10 XO-1s would help I think.
<CanoeBerry> Too bad the group coordinator (Sameer Verma) is not here.. someone call him?
<CanoeBerry> Thoughts?
<CanoeBerry> Sameer may join live in 1 min..
<CanoeBerry> Plz prepare hard questions for him!
<cgueret> discussing a project about XOs for jamaica ? (trying to catch up with the meeting...)
<CanoeBerry> Yes!
<cgueret> cool :)
<KGMac> Contribute to the bank of Sugar lesson plans and videos in
<KGMac>       conjunction with UWI pilots -  I especially like this point
<CanoeBerry> Plz ask tuff questions of the project's coordinator trying to join in 30sec
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<CanoeBerry> docverma: hi!
<docverma> hello!
<docverma> sorry, was in the middle of a xodock experiment
<cgueret> hi1
<CanoeBerry> Please defend the need for 10 XO-1s in Jamaica to prep for the 115 XO-1.5 arriving Nov/Dec
<docverma> Well, the request is for Moneague Teacher Training college
<CanoeBerry> Sorry OLPC appears to be out of XO-1.5s for the Contributors Program just this month.
<docverma> Their role in our Jamaica deployments is to create lesson plans
<CanoeBerry> Temporary inventory problem..
<CanoeBerry> Why are 10 units needed?
<docverma> They usually create lesson plans using "other software" that the teachers don't get
<docverma> so something Sugar based is good
<docverma> The college has 600+ teachers
<CanoeBerry> Will Grade 3/Grade 4 kids be involved this fall, prep'ing for the full shipment end of year?
<docverma> these teachers teach all over the country
<CanoeBerry> docverma: KGMac in Canada likes your work!
<docverma> The lesson plans will end up in a repository hosted by Univ. of the West Indies under a CC license
<CanoeBerry> English??
<docverma> Yes, English
<CanoeBerry> Objections / votes of support from the Jury?
<CanoeBerry> Please all vote.
<KGMac> support
<docverma> The current target is upper kindergarten and grade 3+4
<docverma> the XOs will be in a library
<docverma> lending library at Moneague College
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<CanoeBerry> +1, with some questions as to how 10 XO-1s will be used exactly this autumn..
<jt4sugar> Support
<ndoiron> voting in support +1
<docverma> KGMac: Thx!!!
<CanoeBerry> Final objections?
<CanoeBerry> Mentoring support?
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<docverma> Myself, and OLPC Jamaica team will mentor
<CanoeBerry> This group in Jamaica is going strong, but are new -- they will need a hand.
<CanoeBerry> Calling remarks?
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<CanoeBerry> APPROVED
<bernie> docverma: +1
<cgueret> congrats :)
<docverma> awesome!
<docverma> thanks :-)
<cgueret> :)
<CanoeBerry> Thanks to docverma also for organizing OLPC's biggest ever contributor/volunteer summit in exactly 14 days!!!
<docverma> OLPC Jamaica has been three years in the making. I appreciate your support.
<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #4 now..
<docverma> Yes! Please come to San Francisco!!!

[ PROJECT #4 - XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia ]

<CanoeBerry> Plz all review/critique/vote for:
<CanoeBerry> XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 1 XO-1.5 over 18 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Background/Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     To port Puppy linux with it's unique blend of speed and usability to 
<CanoeBerry> the XO.
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<CanoeBerry> This seems familiar..
<CanoeBerry> Others have attempted Puppy Linus on XO, in Colombia perhaps? Somewhere else?
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<CanoeBerry> Our current/temporary shortage of XO-1.5s makes it hard to support this on in full?
<CanoeBerry> Votes please, regardless!
<KGMac> the blog suggests that they want to install on 1.0's
<CanoeBerry> Great :)
<CanoeBerry> +1 with qualifications
<CanoeBerry> Objections? Critiques? Collaboration with this Australian guy?
<CanoeBerry> Need some votes one way or the other :) Or shall we move on?
<KGMac> however, upon digging further, they appear to have accomplished that and maybe want to port to 1.5
<cgueret> I think that would be a good idea
<cgueret> (if my opinion matters...)
<CanoeBerry> Shall we all support?
<jt4sugar> If he successfully ports would this make XO work better? Porting to other platforms seems to be plus
<CanoeBerry> Please a full "+1" if you believe in this project and its contribution.
<sandrat> +1
<KGMac> +1 here
<jt4sugar> +1
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<CanoeBerry> APPROVED

[ PROJECT #5 - "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas ]

<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #5, plz all critique/mentor/vote for:
<CanoeBerry> "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 3 XO-1s over 12 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     - Develop a memory game for 1 or 2 players with malaria-related topics,
<CanoeBerry>       so 5-12-year-old kids can help to prevent this disease in their
<CanoeBerry>       communities.
<CanoeBerry> The computer will show a list of images related to malaria, such as 
<CanoeBerry> causes,
<CanoeBerry>     transmission, symptoms, treatment, prevention and complications. Each
<CanoeBerry>     image will appear from 4 to 10 seconds (depending on the chosen 
<CanoeBerry> difficulty:
<CanoeBerry>     difficult, normal and easy). The game will show something like this:
<CanoeBerry>     - Habitat (4-10 seconds)...
<CanoeBerry>     - Bamboo Pole (4-10 seconds)...
<CanoeBerry>     - Rainwater (4-10 seconds) ...
<CanoeBerry>     - (more words)
<sandrat> cool idea
<CanoeBerry> Then, the computer will ask the player to choose from a set of 
<CanoeBerry> images and
<CanoeBerry>     put them in the same order they appeared previously. In our example, the
<CanoeBerry>     kid has to choose the Habitat picture first, then the Bamboo Pole 
<CanoeBerry> picture,
<CanoeBerry>     and so on.
<CanoeBerry>     At the end, the computer will show the score (for example, “you 
<CanoeBerry> memorized
<CanoeBerry>     the order of 4/6 words) and a sentence related to the pictures. This
<CanoeBerry>     sentence will say something like: "Cover bamboo pole holders after use.
<CanoeBerry>     Rainwater can potentially accumulate in these bamboo pole holders if 
<CanoeBerry> they
<CanoeBerry>     are uncovered and create a habitat..." Then, the player can choose 
<CanoeBerry> to play
<CanoeBerry>     again or to exit the game.
<CanoeBerry> [sorry the proposal's so long, a bit more coming!]
<CanoeBerry> When 2 kids are playing, player 1 will play first and the score will be
<CanoeBerry>     shown, then player 2 will play and his score will be shown. At the 
<CanoeBerry> end, the
<CanoeBerry>     computer will congratulate the winner.
<CanoeBerry>     - Learn more about Python, PyGTK, Glade and other related 
<CanoeBerry> technologies in
<CanoeBerry>       order to build this and other international projects for XO in the
<CanoeBerry>       future.
<CanoeBerry>     - Publish a paper in a recognized software engineering conference with
<CanoeBerry>       the results of applying Scrum (an iterative, incremental framework for
<CanoeBerry>       project management and agile software development) on an
<CanoeBerry>       international free software project. These paper will encourage more
<CanoeBerry>       engineers to work on OLPC projects.
<CanoeBerry>     - Use the memorization game to internalize malaria-related concepts.
<CanoeBerry>     - Create an OLPC research group at the School of Engineering and
<CanoeBerry>       Technology in Montemorelos University, Mexico (
<sandrat> well thought out so far
<cjb> 'lo all
<CanoeBerry> Looks good, but can they pull it off?
<cjb> this is a Sugar activity, and doesn't need XOs.
<sandrat> yowee a lot
<cjb> SoaS on a livecd will be fine
<sandrat> what is request?
<sandrat> ok 3 xos
<KGMac> 3 for 12 months
<KGMac> oops you beat me'
<CanoeBerry> I support our standard "starter kit" of 2 old XO-1s if that genuinely accelerates this project.
<CanoeBerry> We should ask 'em..
<sandrat> they should have some XOs so that they can test features soas doesn't support
<cjb> sandrat: hm, like what?
<CanoeBerry> If they already are familiar with XOs however, shipment may not be nec.
<sandrat> screen sharing ...
<cjb> sandrat: I don't understand; what does screen sharing have to do with the proposed activity?
<sandrat> suggestion for starter kit sounds good. They have a big team, but don't know how many people will actually be doing development
<cjb> also, I don't think the XOs have any more support for screen sharing than SoaS does
<CanoeBerry> sandrat: will you mentor?
<sandrat> ok
<CanoeBerry> This groups needs that first and foremost.
<sandrat> OK..I have the ticket open and can put myself in
<CanoeBerry> Thanks.  Plz work with them and advise their most critical needs.  Two old XO-1s is not a problem for anybody worldwide doing genuine work.
<CanoeBerry> Let's move on.

[ PROJECT #6 - SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands ]

<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #6, ok?
<CanoeBerry> Plz all review/critique/mentor/vote for...
<CanoeBerry> SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 5 XOs over 12 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     Semantic technologies are becoming more and more used to
<CanoeBerry>     improve the efficiency of information sharing on Internet.
<CanoeBerry>     The goal of this project is to investigate the application of
<CanoeBerry>     the same technologies on a mesh network, without access to Web
<CanoeBerry>     services such as DNS.
<CanoeBerry>     With the ability to exchange structured and unambiguous
<CanoeBerry>     information, we expect to improve communication in the context of
<CanoeBerry>     medical, culturage heritage or marketing applications.
<CanoeBerry>     Although not having expertise related to the typical usage
<CanoeBerry>     context of the XOs, the KRR group already has some expertise in using
<CanoeBerry>     semantic technologies for improving access to
<CanoeBerry>     culturage heritage and modeling medical processes.
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: care to introduce your work please?
<CanoeBerry> We'd really appreciate that!
<bernie> I'm also curious
<sandrat> this project sounds really good, esp if it will improve mesh network efficiency
<sandrat> question; would features be available to other activities other than listed groups?
<CanoeBerry> Just left voicemail with the applicant in the Europe (Netherlands?)
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: that means you ^^^
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<CanoeBerry> cgueret: just left voicemail for you!
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: please introduce your work now for the group!
<sandrat> interested in application use of the semantic stack
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<Aqua-Orange-04> hoi!
<Aqua-Orange-04> hello
<sandrat> hola
<Aqua-Orange-04> i'm cgueret
<KGMac> hup oranje
<sandrat> hujambo
<Aqua-Orange-04> sorry, my irc client crashed
<Aqua-Orange-04> so I quickly connected back through the appli on the forum
<Aqua-Orange-04> and did not took the time to change the name :)
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: can you introduce yr work quickly?
<Aqua-Orange-04> yep
<CanoeBerry> Go for it now, thx!
<CanoeBerry> bernie: please interrogate, with the question you had above..
<Aqua-Orange-04> so, I'm doing research on semantic web technologies. That's a set of standard and practices for doing knowledge
<Aqua-Orange-04> sorry but actually I have to leave you now :(
<CanoeBerry> Great, why do you need 5 XOs?
<Aqua-Orange-04> time to feed the family
<Aqua-Orange-04> may I come back in 1/2h ?
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: we may be gone in 20min, but you can try
<Aqua-Orange-04> canoe:'m interested in the context of meshed networks
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: you need to defence your need for 5 XO-1s and how this will work.
<Aqua-Orange-04> so far nobody applied sw stuff outisde of the web
<CanoeBerry> If not now, then later.
<Aqua-Orange-04> ok, maybe later then
<Aqua-Orange-04> sorry :-/
<Aqua-Orange-04> sorry : - /
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<CanoeBerry> We can send you 2 XO-1s as our standard "starter kits" for legit volunteers perhaps, in any case talk later!
<CanoeBerry> GrannieB: back from the jungle!
<CanoeBerry> Let's move onto Project #7 now..
<sandrat> +1 agree
<CanoeBerry> Project #6 looks good but needs a proper defence of its approach.
<Aqua-Orange-04> acvutally I can stay 5 more minutes
<CanoeBerry> Great, let's finish now!
<KGMac> 3 makes a nicer start mesh though.,
<Aqua-Orange-04> so, the 5 XOs where to test a semantic web stack in the context of a meshed network
<CanoeBerry> bernie: please ask your questions now, or forever hold yr peace..
<Aqua-Orange-04> in fact, I could start with one to implement a stack in the first place
<Aqua-Orange-04> for that I need an XO to have the actual processing constraints
<CanoeBerry> Aqua-Orange-04: have you ever played with an XO-1 or XO-1.5?
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<Aqua-Orange-04> nope
<CanoeBerry> Too bad, ok.
<sandrat> so explain how the stack works, it takes what and provides what?
<CanoeBerry> We should start you off with 2 XO-1s if the group approves of your approach.
<CanoeBerry> Votes?
<Aqua-Orange-04> so, a stack is basically a "triple store" and an api
<KGMac> sorry to interject, mesh is way more intuitive on the 1.0, we have 8 yr olds in Kenya meshing like crazy
<CanoeBerry> WARNING: Applicant must leave in 2 min!
<Aqua-Orange-04> the triple store provides a way to store triples, atomic pieces of information
<sandrat> +1 for starter kit
<Aqua-Orange-04> the api is just an api to put stuff into it
<CanoeBerry> Can we all here agree to ship 2 or 3 XO-1s with certain milestones as to how the applicant/group will blog their results?
<Aqua-Orange-04> such a stack would act as a uniform and highly flexible data store to store anything
<KGMac> +1
<sandrat> ok
<jt4sugar> +1
<Aqua-Orange-04> ok for me too :)
<CanoeBerry> cgueret: are you subscribed to or similar OLPC / hardware mailing lists?
<CanoeBerry> +1
<Aqua-Orange-04> not yet
<CanoeBerry> Please do. Let's conclude now.
<Aqua-Orange-04> ok, I'll do
<CanoeBerry> Join these 1 or both of these 2 lists if poss:
<GrannieB> sorry I missed everything. didn't check my email in last hour. getting cameras ready for trip.  need more adwance reminders
<CanoeBerry> *Final Votes Please*
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<sandrat> +1
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<bernie> CanoeBerry: oops, I was distracted... too bad.
<CanoeBerry> bernie: ask now!
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: can you point me at the semantic web stack you're testing?
<Aqua-Orange-04> there is not a single stack I can point you at :/
<Aqua-Orange-04> "4store" is an example of triple store
<Aqua-Orange-04> I would start by trying to install that one on an XO
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: there are a few? how are these implemented? client-side, server-side?
<Aqua-Orange-04> there are data server, using the "SPARQL" protocol over http to serve data
<Aqua-Orange-04> popular triple stores are 4store, virtuoso and owlim
<CanoeBerry> bernie gets the final vote!
<Aqua-Orange-04> the first two have a chance to run on the XO
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: what language are these written in?
<Aqua-Orange-04> c
<Aqua-Orange-04> apart from owlim which is in java
<CanoeBerry> bernie: shall we ship 2 or 3 old/refurb'd XO-1s?
<KGMac> there are 4store clients in java and python as well, not sure about the whold stack though
<bernie> CanoeBerry: dunno, I'm really not qualified to make a judgment on this
<Aqua-Orange-04> these clients are for getting the data from an other machine (in the classical sens of client).
<Aqua-Orange-04> to get an idea of the benefits on a machine you may check "nepomuk"
<Aqua-Orange-04> that's a project where they added a stack to KDE4
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: ah, finally something I heard of :-)
<Aqua-Orange-04> I think Sugar could benefit from having a similar semantic backend
<Aqua-Orange-04> bernie: : - )
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: yes, we've been thinking about it. but all those you named seem proprietary. except for nepomuk
<Aqua-Orange-04> and from a research point of view, I would be interested in studying how to make this run without access to Internet
<Aqua-Orange-04> nepomuk uses virtuoso
<Aqua-Orange-04> and 4store is free
<Aqua-Orange-04> the triple store is the key component to find
<Aqua-Orange-04> they are also many other solutions more lightweight
<Aqua-Orange-04> but 4store seems to be the best compromise size / features
<Aqua-Orange-04> that would be something to check anyway
<CanoeBerry> Poor family needs to eat!  Me too ;)
<Aqua-Orange-04> they are quiet....
<CanoeBerry> Let's finalize now.  All: do we go with 2 XO-1s or 3?
<Aqua-Orange-04> maybe I got myself some extra minutes
<Aqua-Orange-04> : - )
<Aqua-Orange-04> that would be fine for me
<sandrat> 3 is better for testing
<CanoeBerry> In any case, APPROVED for starter kit experimentation -- whether 2 or more older XO-1s, thanks alls!
<CanoeBerry> Details to be finalized by bernie/others pre-shipment.
<CanoeBerry> Done!
<Aqua-Orange-04> wow! thanks : - D
<CanoeBerry> Thanks & onto Project #8!
<CanoeBerry> Sorry I meant onto Project #7!!
<Aqua-Orange-04> I'll leave you now, bye!
<bernie> CanoeBerry: well, 2 does not make that freat of a mesh... let's do 3.
<CanoeBerry> bernie: thanks, will do!

[ PROJECT #7 - Developing education resources - Australia/Timor ]

<CanoeBerry> Plz all critique/mentor/vote for:
<CanoeBerry> Developing education resources - Australia/Timor
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 1 XO over indefinite months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Background/Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     Software testing and developing educational materials
<bernie> CanoeBerry: ok I'm very interested now
<bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: bye
<CanoeBerry> +1
<bernie> +1 for #7
<CanoeBerry> bernie: do i ship 2 or more?
<KGMac> +!
<CanoeBerry> bernie: why does this page not load?
<CanoeBerry> Stalled perhaps..
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<bernie> CanoeBerry: well, 2 does not make that freat of a mesh... let's do 3.
<CanoeBerry> Finally loaded 60sec later..
<CanoeBerry> bernie: thanks, will do!
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<CanoeBerry> plz vote for Tony Forster's work above.
<GrannieB> +1 for #7
<jt4sugar> +1
<bernie>  CanoeBerry loads for me
<CanoeBerry> That was easy.
<bernie> CanoeBerry: only doesn't load
<KGMac> loading now
<CanoeBerry> bernie: glitch in transmission, some bandwidth nonsense or overloading of, who knows..
<bernie> +1 for #7 again
<CanoeBerry> bernie: does load?
<bernie> the wiki is haunted
<sandrat> legitimate request
<CanoeBerry> Who else has issues with ??
<CanoeBerry> Final votes please! For our 2nd Australian of the day!
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<sandrat> great work
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<sandrat> +1
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<CanoeBerry> APPROVED
<jt4sugar> Loads fine here
<dfarning> Am I too late to vote....  on four.  sorry just joined.

[ PROJECT #8 - Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise ]

<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #8 - plz all critique/mentor/vote for:
<CanoeBerry> Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 100 XOs over 12 months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     * To produce the world’s most comprehensive and powerful knowledge
<CanoeBerry>       resource-pushing the boundaries of online community and technology 
<CanoeBerry> as a tool for
<CanoeBerry>       social empowerment
<CanoeBerry>     * To instigate significant evolution in the present concepts of school
<CanoeBerry>       education by increasing global connection, meaningful use of 
<CanoeBerry> ICTs(Information
<CanoeBerry>       and Communication Technologies) and inspiring student engagement
<CanoeBerry>     * To enable learning through the effective use of technology to promote
<CanoeBerry>       knowledge and skills which will ensure thriving communities in 
<CanoeBerry> Zimbabwe
<CanoeBerry>     * To demonstrate innovation, excellence, creativity , and 
<CanoeBerry> professionalism in
<CanoeBerry>       the management of a new style of an organization that is 
<CanoeBerry> entrepreneurial,
<CanoeBerry>       technology enhanced and youth driven
<CanoeBerry>     * To create a contributive environment for meaningful participation 
<CanoeBerry> in the
<CanoeBerry>       broader economy by disadvantaged individuals and youth 
<CanoeBerry> groups(mainstreaming)
<CanoeBerry>     * To cooperate and build alliances and partnerships with 
<CanoeBerry> organizations with
<CanoeBerry>       similar or related objectives
<bernie> CanoeBerry: now even the main page doesn't load
<bernie> CanoeBerry: it's definitely my mozambican router...
<CanoeBerry> OK
<CanoeBerry> dfarning: Projects 8 to 10 we're wrapping up quick now, plz help :)
<dfarning> sure --
<CanoeBerry> These applicants have nerve!  Asking for 100 free laptops, heh.  But let's check it out regardless.
<CanoeBerry> Application needs work+mentoring, eh?
<CanoeBerry> What do others think?
<sandrat> think he needs to start small...understand usage and how kids interact with XO
<CanoeBerry> Blog is quite empty so far:
<sandrat> starter kit?
<sandrat> I'll do a one pass mentor advice ..
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<CanoeBerry> mavrothal: hi and i think your Australian friend's Puppy was approved above, but ask others for details..
<GrannieB> yes, start small! 10 0r MUCH less! see what they can do
<CanoeBerry> My vote is to place this ambitious project on hold, until it's more realistic.
<CanoeBerry> Perhaps our standard starter kit of 2 refurb'd XO-1s then, and we'll fly GrannieB over to Zimbabwe on the space shuttle to mento them :)
<GrannieB> let's refer them to funding ideas for a number this large
<CanoeBerry> Votes & constructive criticism please.
<CanoeBerry> Conclude please!
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<sandrat> starter kit is what they should ask for
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<KGMac> +1 for starter
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<sandrat> +1 starter
<jt4sugar> +1 Starter
<GrannieB> while in Zimbabwe can I stop in Uganda and visit anpther project?
<dfarning> Seems a bit large for a first pass
<GrannieB> way too large!
<CanoeBerry> CONDITIONAL APPROVAL -- let them clarify their needs & effectivenes around a two XO-1 starter kit which I can then ship, thanks.
<CanoeBerry> Onto Project #9 - plz all critique/mentor/vote for:
<GrannieB> I don't think they are even ready for a starter kit!
<CanoeBerry> GrannieB: I'm concerned too.  I will make them defend their need+approach.
<sandrat> need to learn enough to be more specific ..I agree
<CanoeBerry> Let's move on.

[ PROJECT #9 - XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North Dakota State University ]

<CanoeBerry> Project #9 now -- please give this the once-over:
<CanoeBerry> 9. XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North 
<CanoeBerry> Dakota State University
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>     Requests 15 XOs over 9/indefinite months
<CanoeBerry>     Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>     The primary objective of this proposal is to transform the Madison 
<CanoeBerry> Elementary
<CanoeBerry>     after school program, as well as support Rev Gadi's after school 
<CanoeBerry> program, also
<CanoeBerry>     housed at Madison Elementary. The Madison program typically enrolls 
<CanoeBerry> 40-50
<CanoeBerry>     students, many reluctant, many English Language Learners. The mere 
<CanoeBerry> presence
<CanoeBerry>     of 12 XOs will create interest among the students--the medium is the 
<CanoeBerry> message--
<CanoeBerry>     but we will also work with this unique population to try and develop 
<CanoeBerry> English
<CanoeBerry>     language learning e-books and activities unique to Sugar that will 
<CanoeBerry> then be
<CanoeBerry>     available and useful to XO deployments in Sudan, Rwanda, Congo, and 
<CanoeBerry> other
<CanoeBerry>     countries where the refugee students and families now living in Fargo
<CanoeBerry>     originate from. We will work with Rev. Gadi's students to prepare the
<CanoeBerry>     laptops for deployment in Sudan, loading them with projects developed in
<CanoeBerry>     Fargo, loading them with books so that the dream of a library built 
<CanoeBerry> by 15
<CanoeBerry>     laptops becomes feasible.
<CanoeBerry> Sorry proposal's so long!
<CanoeBerry> [Last bit coming through now..]
<CanoeBerry>     The secondary objective is to train a team from within this group to 
<CanoeBerry> deliver
<CanoeBerry>     these 15 laptops to the school in southern Sudan. Team members who 
<CanoeBerry> do not go
<CanoeBerry>     on this trip with Rev. Gadi may have a chance to go later as Kevin 
<CanoeBerry> Brooks is
<CanoeBerry>     President of a non-profit called "African Soul, American Heart" and 
<CanoeBerry> he too is
<CanoeBerry>     looking to learn the ins and outs of the XO and Sugar so that he 
<CanoeBerry> will be able
<CanoeBerry>     to support a deployment to Duk Payuel, southern Sudan, in the next 
<CanoeBerry> 3-5 years.
<CanoeBerry> We're all starting to sound like broken records today, but shall we send another starter kit of two XO-1s?
<KGMac> wow southern sudan, that's very brave
<jt4sugar> This is John Tierney I am here representing Fargo Project-Dr. Gerald Ardito also collaborating on initiative-Kevin Brooks hosting Computers and Writing Conference at NDSU this weekend and couldn't attend
<CanoeBerry> Likewise their blog needs more meat :)
<sandrat> good strategy, good resources, leading to helping the neediest most desperate
<GrannieB> What is their tech-ed experience?  Coppell Tech in TX and UCSB/Goleta have been working on their projects for a while now... with success... But they both have the "know how"
<dfarning> Is is common to approve project without a ongoing blog or web site?
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: great, thanks for joining, please elaborate on your needs/approach.
<sandrat> we should support something to get this started
<sandrat> blog is there but empty
<jt4sugar> Fargo is Refugee city and our hope if we can put in place is to leverage into contact with State Dept. for funding for OLPC/Sugar
<sandrat> good idea
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: sounds great. noting proposals of 10 XOs require a blogging track record of similar documented community participation.
<sandrat> usually refugee support funds are paltry however
<CanoeBerry> *or similar documented community participation.
<CanoeBerry> (contribution even better than participation ;)
<jt4sugar> Madison Elementary School where this will occur will also being doing SoaS pilots in 4th and 5th grade classes
<CanoeBerry> Cool
<bernie> jt4sugar: who's running the pilot?
<sandrat> sounds like people we want to encourage
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: shall we split the difference, going with 5 refurb'd XO-1s until a solid blog is established?
<dfarning> I would say plus one based largely on the past record of jt and ardito
<CanoeBerry> agreed
<KGMac> +1
<jt4sugar> The connection to NDSU and fact that Kevin Brooks is Chair of English Dept will help with literacy issues also want to start work on Dinak language
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: how will you fulfill community reporting requirements?
<jt4sugar> The plan is for Kevin and group to start project page if accepted
<GrannieB> i would go +1 for 10-15 once their blog and wiki page are "up to snuff"
<CanoeBerry> Yes
<CanoeBerry> +1
<sandrat> +1
<GrannieB> They really need more than five for a good start
<jt4sugar> Question I guess is how many want to end up in Sudan
<CanoeBerry> Blogging (or community publication of any kind) is not an option for applications of ~10 XOs.
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<GrannieB> Perhaps once they get started they can do some fundraisers to expand to 100?
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<GrannieB> +1 for more than 5
<CanoeBerry> CONDITIONALLY APPROVED based on solid blogging evidence and forward plans, towards sharing results with OLPC/Sugar 
<CanoeBerry> Thanks!
<CanoeBerry> Onto final Project #10 - plz all review/mentor/vote for:
<jt4sugar> How many would that be?
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: the final count will depend on the quality of your blog, thanks.
<CanoeBerry> pretty colors not required. solid reporting is.
<jt4sugar> Thank You they will be very excited!!
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: thanks for spearheading!

[ PROJECT #10 - Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya ]

<CanoeBerry> Onto final Project #10 - plz all review/mentor/vote for:
<jt4sugar> How many would that be?
<CanoeBerry> Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya
<CanoeBerry> ]
<CanoeBerry>      Requests 4 XO-1.5s over 12 months
<CanoeBerry>      Project Background/Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>      Currently there are 50 XO 1.0, and 4 XO 1.5 laptops deployed in the 
<CanoeBerry> Ntugi
<CanoeBerry>      Day School. Due to ongoing changes to the XO kernel's from version 
<CanoeBerry> to version,
<CanoeBerry>      certain functions are only available on certain machines. We would 
<CanoeBerry> like to
<CanoeBerry>      have the same activities and functions available on all XO's 
<CanoeBerry> deployed to
<CanoeBerry>      alleviate complicated re-imaging deployment issues, along with having a
<CanoeBerry>      more equal experience for all XO users.
<CanoeBerry> [a bit more coming..]
<CanoeBerry> We currently have provided Ntugi with three distinct images, one at 711
<CanoeBerry>      for XO-1 use with the Vernier equipment, on at 802 for XO-1 user for
<CanoeBerry>      standard activities and the added features and activities of 802 over
<CanoeBerry>      711, and one at 306 for use with the 1.5's to enable USB microscope use
<CanoeBerry>      and Gnome features.
<CanoeBerry>      Our goal is to standardize on the 852 build for all XO 1.0's, and 1.5's
<CanoeBerry>      and have the core functions and activities identical. This will 
<CanoeBerry> also aid
<CanoeBerry>      in the saturation process as there will be less haves and have-not 
<CanoeBerry> issues.
<CanoeBerry>      We have developed an install script which local-installs all the 
<CanoeBerry> required
<CanoeBerry>      RPM's to minimize data plan expenses, and are hoping to simultaneously
<CanoeBerry>      deploy temp/swap/program SD cards so that the XO 1.0's can have 
<CanoeBerry> sufficient
<CanoeBerry>      processing power to run the more intensive applications.
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: the final count will depend on the quality of your blog, thanks.
<CanoeBerry> pretty colors not required. solid reporting is.
<bernie> I wonder what kernel changes they're referringto
<bernie> and also which intensive applications
<KGMac> 711 allows for the ldusb drivers
<jt4sugar> Thank You they will be very excited!!
<KGMac> that was deprecated by 802 replace by vtusb
<CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: thanks for spearheading!
<GrannieB> I would like to know more about the USB microscope use
<CanoeBerry> KGMac: care to introduce your work?
<KGMac> that was deprecatec by 852 and is now a an libusb user space
<KGMac> so.  we have 711 machines htat can run USB Vernier sensors, and 852 and 306 on the 1.5 that can run USB microscopes
<bernie> KGMac: that should make things easier if you need to add support for a new usb device
<KGMac> however the 802 xo1s; can run neither
<CanoeBerry> KGMac: pay your Texas hacker well!!
<KGMac> Mikus Girinbergs in Austin his helping us delvelop a modified kernel extenion so that the Verniers and the microscopes on the XO 1's ... hes quite a character
<CanoeBerry> Anybody with a Younge+Bloor address had better, eh? Wink amongst Canadians :)
<GrannieB> have you published your work with the microscope?  Do you have a link?  Are you in TX? Anywhere near DFW?
<KGMac> right now, we have only an empty shell on the wiki for microscopes, because it only works on the 1.5's
<KGMac> we are in Canada.
<KGMac> we found Mikus throuhg the community
<CanoeBerry> Are 2 XO-1.5s sufficient until OLPC replenishes its inventory?
<KGMac> that would be magnificent
<KGMac> we will be in San Francisso, so anyone who wants to see our stuff is welcome to
<CanoeBerry> OLPC's pretty much high+dry right now regarding Contributors Program inventory, but I'll see what I can do.
<CanoeBerry> +1
<CanoeBerry> Votes from all please!
<mavrothal> +1
<GrannieB> I can't attend the SF bash.... boo-hoo!
<jt4sugar> +1
<CanoeBerry> GrannieB hates us.
<CanoeBerry> ;)
<GrannieB> come to SCaLE 9X in Feb and all will be forgiven!
<CanoeBerry> Hah!
<CanoeBerry> Shall we concluded this 100min meeting now?
<CanoeBerry> Calling once..
<CanoeBerry> Calling twice..
<CanoeBerry> Calling thrice..
<dfarning> +1 to this project -- the school has a proven track record of raising capital
<CanoeBerry> APPROVED, pending inventory issues!


<CanoeBerry> Have a killer Long Wkd all!
<sandrat> +1
<jt4sugar> About OLPC SF any suggestions on accommodations
<KGMac> thank you all, hope to see many of you in SF
<GrannieB> +1
<CanoeBerry> Columbus was a killer after all, but don't tell Italians/Spaniards ;)
<KGMac> psst, it's thanksgiving up here :-)
<CanoeBerry> Righto, Thanksgiving here in Boston too -- huge Canadian Feast @ Hvd
<bernie> +1
<bernie> a little late...
<bernie> CanoeBerry: hopefully...
<CanoeBerry> Meeting everyone for the 1st time will be mind-blowing.
<meeting> CanoeBerry: Error: "everyone" is not a valid command.
<bernie> CanoeBerry: my visa documentation arrived today... interview next week
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<CanoeBerry> We have a volunteer video crew just formed, 2000 stickers just gone into production, entirely volunteer-based catering..
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<CanoeBerry> You've never seen anything like it.  Don't miss it!
<CanoeBerry> bernie: don't blow yr interview!!
<dfarning> mavrothal, can you tell me more about the puppy project.
<bernie> CanoeBerry: I'm gonna tell them that I'm an education terrorist
<mavrothal> Yeh, Mick is really serious about it
<KGMac> will Bernie be coming to San Fran, Mark Battley is still unable to commit, but I think if he can watch Bernie to bicycle tricks, that might just push him into the yes for sure side
<mavrothal> Was really interested in the Aussie machines going to aboriginals that he has a thing for
<mavrothal> The idea is to see if we can get a minimal Puppy running better than now and then see if we can port sugar over it
<dfarning> mavrothal, could you do an introduction ? I'm pretty involved in the sugar on ubuntu project:)
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<mavrothal> and/or other edu apps
<mavrothal> dfarning: where to start from? How far back?
<dfarning> mavrothal, we have working sugar .88 in maverick to be release the day after tomorrow.... I am
<dfarning> mavrothal, in two weeks we will have sugar .90 on maverick.
<dfarning> mavrothal, now I am interested in getting ubuntu/puppy to work on the xo hardware.
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<mavrothal> dfarning: the problem with puppy is that it has a really chopped up python
<mavrothal> So Sugar is going to be a problem
<mavrothal> Puppy/pucid is running almost OK on the XO
<mavrothal> Some issues with PM but I'm working on itLucid :)
<mavrothal> with pgf
* dfarning reads more about puppy... I had thought that it was basically a trimmed down ubuntu.
<mavrothal> It's made out of Ubuntu binaries
<mavrothal> But is Puppy in core
<mavrothal> So you can install most of Lucid packages without problem but then it becomes imposible to run in RAM
<dfarning> mavrothal, ok got it. was it a lot of work to modify the sugar packages in lucid to work in ram/puppy?
<mavrothal> Was? This is not done yet.
<bernie> KGMac: lol
<mavrothal> We are still trying to get puppy run reliably on the XO
<bernie> KGMac: first I want 2 pints of delicious beer
<dfarning> mavrothal, I just read the XOpup RC is ready post :)
<KGMac> i will buy beer.
<mavrothal> :|
<dfarning> mavrothal, can you send me your email?  I read some more about xopup and get back to you this weekend.
<mavrothal> send you where?
<mavrothal> I guess I'll get it from the devel list
<dfarning> mavrothal, sorry ^^ I don't know if we have chatted before.... I have dylexia and things some time comeout weird:(
<dfarning> mavrothal,
<mavrothal> makes 2 of us! will be fun ;)
<KGMac> ciao folks, have  a great long weekend!
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<dfarning> bye all.... and thanks
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