Talk:Read

The screenshot (the sharks page) has a typo in it -- "it's" should be "its".

It looks like the content was originally taken from this page about sharks, although I can't find information there for the other animals mentioned in the screenshots, so I assume that it's just a mock-up and isn't something that ships with the laptops. —Joe 12:28, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Downloading

The following anonymous question was posted on another page. —Joe 10:50, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Read seems to be missing from "preinstalled" activities. How do I retrieve a U.S. English version?

You probably do have Read installed. Read was in G1G1 and is part of most Activity packs. But since it has no UI to open a document and is pointless starting with a blank document, it is not supposed to be on the activities taskbar. Read starts when you browse to a PDF or open one from the Journal. -- Skierpage 01:11, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Feature Requests

please make it read other formats as well...I don't think it's very useful to read plain text and html books in the web browser and pdf in the Read activity...62.47.162.246

The comment for Consider unifying Read and Web (Trac #3212) indicates an earlier ticket was rejected; IMO that should be reconsidered because the user experience with a separate Read activity is pretty bad. The underlying Evince code would have to be made a browser plug-in, Googling suggests this is a common request in distros. -- Skierpage 00:51, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

... and also, it really needs a page up/page down setting on one of the game buttons...scrolling line by line isn't really comfortable in ebook mode... 62.47.162.246

More formats are on the drawing board, and you can press the 'x' game key to skip to the next 'page' of text.

The Read Etexts activity can read plain text files.

I hate to mention this format, because I find it gross, but: multi-page TIFF. This is commonly used for scanned books. TIFF is crummy for most things, but actually does a damn fine job for high-resolution black-and-white text when using the Group 4 (T.6) two-dimensional fax encoding. AlbertCahalan 00:59, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

The underlying Evince engine can render TIFFs, I agree Read should offer to render them. Currently Etoys and Paint volunteer. FYI, http://www.zarvantech.com/web/tiff_samples.html has samples of multi-page TIFF files. Skierpage 00:51, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

A sequence of JPG's would also be useful as this is a fairly standard format for comics and other, more visual, scanned works.

The View Slides activity can do both of these formats if the files are stored in a Zip file.

ability to write on a pdf or type comments and save it

Hello. I would like to suggest a feature that "remembers" the user's last-read document page number. The next time the user opens the document, the page view will "jump" to the last viewed page. This feature exists on the Apple Newton, and it is quite handy.

Read already does this in the joyride build, and will be part of Update.1

Is there a way to call Read from the terminal?

(sign your comments with -- ~~~~ please). Sounds like sugar-activity can start an activity; someone wrote a script at http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1921.msg15803#msg15803 -- Skierpage 03:44, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

There is a message on the article saying that read can ONLY read PDFs and not rtf/txt/html. Is this still the case? I think the #1 feature would be the ability to open txt (at the very least) so that public e-texts (from Gutenberg and others) will be available. So that's my biggest feature request.

See the Read Etexts activity.

Other feature requests:

1. A way to select and save portions of text to a clippings file for later review... and ideally I'd be able to grab portions of that clipping file easily when working in Write.
2. A way to annotate or create a margin note, then later review a list of my margin notes and underlined text...
3. A really quick and easy way to increase the font size while reading. Maybe even while in ebook mode.
4. It is unclear to me how I would access files stored on an SD card in Read. Does Read have an "open" function?

--Beagley 12:01, 13 December 2007 (EST)

The "clippings file" feature is already supported. Copy text to the clipboard, then save the text to the Journal. The "View" menu lets you zoom in on the document.

I only managed to read PDF files with it, on Sugar build 650, using File:Read-32.xo, and couldn't open txt, rtf, etc. I'm not sure if it is supposed to be able to, so I wrote "it can currently open PDF files", as this seemed the most accurate user experience at the moment... Also, the Write activity can open rtf and txt I think. --Tomhannen 12:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Regarding point 4 above - I think you would access the SD card from the Journal (it would appear as an icon in the bottom of the frame), and then choose a PDF to read. --Tomhannen 01:26, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Add the ability to open password protected PDF files.

Can you provide a link to such a file on the Web for testing? It's unclear if the underlying Evince code can read password-protected PDFs, see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/3038 -- Skierpage 00:51, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Anyone else having trouble reading pdfs? When I tried, I got an inordinately long-lived "Loading" message on each page. Even when they loaded they often reverted back to the blank "Loading" page. Tips to get around this would be appreciated. --Gusandrews 12:56, 26 February 2008 (EST)

There is a problem with the Journal activity that prevents activites from being able to load large files (over 15 mb or so). You can correct this by getting a developer key and updating the OS.

Read will still crash in build 703 (Update.1) if you zoom in enough on a PDF image (Trac #7090) -- Skierpage 00:51, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Many issues going from Browse to PDFs

The OLPC Library in build 703 + "Bert's script" to install activities has lots of PDFs. But the user experience is uncomfortable enough that my conclusion is:

OLPC content should avoid PDFs like the plague. Convert all PDF images to SVG, PNG, or JPEG, use HTML instead of PDF for all multi-page documents.

-- Skierpage 01:50, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Sounds your main complaints are Browse/Journal issues, not Read issues, right? So I'm not clear why you think PDF should go. It sounds like you're saying: 1) Browse + Journal + other application is clumsy/wasteful; 2) Read is slow and the visual "page" view is unnecessary; and 3) because of 1 & 2 we shouldn't use PDFs. MartinDengler 03:25, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Here's a long list of glitches. To play along,

1. Start Browse (Web) activity, "OLPC Library" appears
2. Click images > world maps
3. Click Africa image

A dialog bar appears:

 Download started Cancel / Continue (countdown)

• "Download" with a countdown here makes no sense! This is local content present in the file system (file:///usr/share/activities/worldfactbook-maps/index. There is no download!

Then the dialog bar is replaced by:

 Download completed africa.pdf (Open / OK)

Clicking OK just makes the dialog bar go away. (The "download" is in the Journal.) Clicking Open takes me to the Journal, where I have "File africa.pdf from file:///usr/share/activities/worldfactbo"...ok-maps/africa.pdf

• The right margin in the Journal seems excessive, there's room to display several more characters in the text "bubble".

• no preview thumbnail in Journal for PDFs in Read activity (Trac #7091)

• Does it really make sense to dump me in the Journal when I browse to a PDF? I lose backward-forward, I lose history, my reading dumps me into a separate app. Some of this would go away if Read worked as a plug-in in the browser; that sounds like Consider unifying Read and Web (Trac #3212) and should be revisited.

Each time I click Africa, this Download dialog bar + Journal dance reoccurs. It's maddening.

• Is the local PDF really being added multiple times to the Journal?!?
  • It seems so! Every time I look at this PDF, I get another identical 438,720 byte file in ~olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/store !

Click Run in the Journal, and Read starts.

• It's slow to start. I could have viewed all the world map images in Browse by now.
• In the africa.pdf, when you zoom the text gets illegible. It's not a vector PDF, so it's a bad PDF.
• Browse has a clean background. Read has a horizontal rule below the menu, then gray, then a shadow on the right margin and bottom. I guess it's a "page" viewer so this makes sense, but as the OLPC doesn't print, "pages" themselves aren't very helpful.
• In Read, the back and forward buttons don't indicate when they're inactive (same as Browse activity bug)

Implementation Discussion

Uses the Evince document viewer to render ebooks.

Document Limitations??

Are there file size, memory allocation, PDF version or other known limitations to the PDF read functionality?

Both large PDF files I'm using in a college course downloaded ok but did not display properly. The 17x11 textbook chapter (two-up layout - 14 double-width pages) crashed the viewer when I tried to scroll to page two at 200% magnification.

The other (WM 66pages)displayed the cover image and page footers, but said "loading" on the other pages for a half hour.

Chapter 3a, Inside Reporting by Tim Harrower 2.2mb

http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/dl/free/0073526142/363043/Chapter3a.pdf

We Media: How audiences are shaping the future of news and information 3.2 mb http://www.hypergene.net/wemedia/download/we_media.pdf

Give them a try...Robby 23:34, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I tried both on the latest Release Candidate for Update.1 (future update) build, and neither crashed at 200% and showed correctly, if a bit slugish. HoboPrimate 09:30, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks! That's good news. I think it still would be a good idea to document any size or format requirements, especially for Library developers collecting documents. (Pointer to that update or its release date?) Robby 12:59, 27 January 2008 (EST)

This Roadmap gives some info on the changes of update.1, and I'm sure once it is released there will be release notes for users. As for downloading it, you'll need to request a developer key (open Browse, and click "About your XO" to find the link) and then use olpc-update.HoboPrimate 21:46, 31 January 2008 (EST)