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Questions

==Why not have the product available to poverty level children in the USA?== We have an art project for low income kids that could use this. http://www.riversidenet.info/

Can a legitimate NGO or foundation apply for your program?

In some countries there is a lot of corruption. Would OLPC partner with an NGO instead of the education ministry?

Which countries are confirmed?

I remember reading something about Costa Rica, is this Central Anmerican country at the project? --Dagoflores 02:57, 19 March 2006 (EST) Answer: ___

Indivuals and OLPC

I've heard that individuals won't be allowed to buy OLPC laptops, or that it won't be available to the public. If so, why not? Wouldn't it be good for the project? You can sell them without having to provide a general-purpose OS preinstalled, after all. -Qwertie

Improving Scale of products sold and commercial partners

OLPC relies on economy of scale to reach low prices. To improve scale, why not sell important parts separately from the laptop? For example, the screen technology could be sold for use in home theatre remotes and in-car computers at higher prices to subsidize OLPC somewhat. Assuming there is some central OLPC organization with employees, I would suggest creating a few non-laptop departments focused on other mass-market uses of the technology--then again, attempting to find companies that would be interesting in buying a million or two units might be a better strategy.

I feel like restricting the laptop and its components to one purpose is unnecessary--then again, I haven't studied the problem. Maybe someone can explain why it's necessary, but I wonder if it's just a lack of managerial resources.-Qwertie

The bottom line is that our mission is learning, not laptops. While we will be working with a commercial partner at some point for both machines and interesting parts--we've been looking at models where by the commercial side can help drive down the cost for the kids--our immediate priority is the non-commercial machine. --Walter

Cambodia test?

The FAQ mentions Cambodia twice. Can you link to more information about the pilot in Cambodia? Or provide details about it in the FAQ? When? How many devices? What hardware? What ages? What type of network access? What software was used? What operating systems?

*BSD operating systems

Has there been work with using any BSD operating systems on the hardware? journaling flash file system for any BSD?

How will these socieites will be impacted

How will the poorest socieites in the world will be impacted by a sudden injection of technology on this scale? This is a critical question that needs much deeper answers than this FAQ has given. I've added some necessary questions to dig deeper:

• How will the success of the project be gauged?
• How much research has been conducted on how the societies will be impacted?
• How will family, community, and religious structures that have existed for generations be impacted?
• How will the project affect relationships between generations or traditional social structures based on age?

Everythingisok 11:21, 25 May 2006 (EDT)

Does anyone remember the Cybiko?

I made a quick page about it, Cybiko, and I can add more if anyone wants to know. This was back in 2001 that I spent 24/7/365 working with the device over RS-232. http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Cybiko

I added cybiko to the similar projects catagory in the software page. --Stranger 00:00, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

What software will be used with the $100 laptop?

• (User-contributed) - PuppyLinux is one open-source project very much suited to the OLPC machine. Its creator and lead developer is an Australian professor, Barry Kauler, bkauler at goosee dot com.

FAQ from Teachers

I was talking with some teachers in Laos about this project. Here the FAQ from teachers OLPC_Laos.

Are there efforts to make olpc an international organisation?

At the moment olpc is an american based non profit organisation. The develpment of the $100 laptop hardware design was an excellent work! But isn't it time now to make this a more international movement?

• The open source community is called "External Developers".
• Some countries are not able to take part in olpc because they fear the american influence.
• The Boss of the United Nations traditionaly is from Africa and is black - couldn't olpc do the same?

Is it possible to add a pen input interface (e.g. touchsreen) for OLPC Laptop?

If OLPC Laptop has the pen input interface, it will be a good start point for the R&D of the handwirting recognition in the open source community and good for children in the furture.

We are working on two tracks: a tocuh interface for the screen and dual-mode trackpad that is capacitive (finger) in the center and resistive (stylus) across the length of the keyboard. Not sure which will work, but we will make every effort. Walter 23:39, 8 June 2006 (EDT)

"Not a laptop project, but an education project"

I'm a little confused. Sometimes olpc is called an education project. If it is an education project then the hardware and the operating system are only small parts of the project. The page Predecessors_of_OLPC has changing content because people don't know what olpc really is.

There is no problem if olpc "only" makes the hardware, system software and software development tools. This is good enough for a Nobel prize.

People should know what olpc is working on and what other organizations should do. 99% of the information in this wiki is about technology. There are some really good contributions like Talk:Localization_Common_Room. To understand different cultures is very important for this project but I can't see any efforts in that direction.

If olpc is an education project then use this education platform to learn something about other cultures. "Eat your own dogfood" [1] - that makes a project successful.

If this learning platform should support children in learning to write - test your platform and learn Thai, Chinese or a language from the Indian subcontinent. (grammar and spelling corrections are welcome) --Bz 12:55, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

Campaigns for OLPC laptops for Laos and Ethiopia

There are people enthusiastically putting forward cases for Laos and Ethiopia. What information does the OLPC management need presented to it in order for a case to succeed? How will their cases be assessed please?

We are in the process of putting together an RFP as a mechanism for countries to get involved in the project. As the details as worked out, we'll post them on this page: How can my country get involved?. Walter 16:49, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

Klik

In the Software Ideas - System Software page is the following.

Should there be an easy way to install and remove applications from the device without corrupting the system image? I am thinking of something like klik (http://klik.atekon.de/). -- DPalmerJr

-> An initial proposal and a proof-of-concept demo is here. -- Probono

There appears elsewhere in this wiki.laptop.org wiki discussion of which linux implementation is to be used on the OLPC laptop.

Is the decision of whether to use the klik system a decision which is independent of which linux implementation is used on the OLPC laptop?

Is the decision of whether to use the klik system a decision for the OLPC management or is klik in effect at an application program level such that any individual OLPC laptop could use or not use the klik system depending upon the choice of the owner of the particular laptop?

Answered Questions

These questions will under go revisions to improve quality and will then be added to the main FAQ. In addition the decision will have to be made whether it is better to include the response in the answer part of another question rather then adding an entire new question.

FUNDING IDEA!

I can speak for many by saying that the 100dollar project may be one of the most important of the 21st century to be undertaken.

As far as funding goes, considering how economy works in industrial countries, i would say once the project is ready for roll out, you should seriously consider to make the laptop open to everyone through a webshop:

Promote different customary designs (limited editions - for psychological reasons), promote it together by putting emphasis on how to improve the world by making a small contribution and actually getting a quite usable AND very sturdy as well as ingenious laptop not to be seen elsewhere. Sell them for around 499$, and especially by advertising that by making this small contribution 4 laptops in a dev-country (which is not to be decided by the buyer for ethical reasons) and a small amount goes in to the olpc foundation. I know this writing comes over as very commanding, but please bear with me, run this with your fincaning advisors, economically this absolutely works and could make up well!

I apologize if you already implemented this idea, and i did not read it. From a psychological standpoint this idea works well (when advertised according to the respective target groups) for families who want a sturdy laptop for their kid at the same time help out others, geeks, nerds, benefactors, etc. In other words there could easily be sold tens of thousands of laptops at such a price, while still fully maintaining NPO status. It would also increase at the same time the product recognition as well as sucess. 193.170.48.34 01:36, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

1) On a sidenote, others as i see had the same idea, however 499 is a very fair price, because it still has unique things to offer in contrast to competitors, and people just like to buy the idea of having done something nice for others. (See also marketing strategies of google).

2) I do not recommend making this acessible in first world countries to every school and so forth, unless people are equally poor, for the reasons of very different mentality and psychology that prevails in FWC (first world countries). Imagine the shoe scenario with rich kids wearing nikey`s and the poor one wearing second hand schoes, getting mocked and pushed around. Similar things are likely to start with things that kids are even more "proud" of in terms of fincanial value. If a kid gets mocked for using the laptop it may no longer use it, and even worse may develope an aversion against using PCs in the future. Don`t aproach this matter with LOGIC! but rather with human psychology/behavior. 193.170.48.34 01:50, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Why not a Small Hard Drive?

'What is the $100 Laptop, really?' I moved these discussions from the article page to this discussion page. Walter 01:57, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Hello. Wouldn't it be better to have a small HD instead? As far as I know, Flash memory has a much higher Gb cost than that of a standard HD. I also know that there are ridiculously small HDs with really large storage capacity, at least in comparison to the meager 512Mb you currently propose. Wouldn't a larger capacity storage help to extend the life of such a machine?

The biggest single point of failure of laptops is the HD. We are opting for robustness over more on-board storage. Synchronization with the "school server" should help mitigate some of the capacity challenges raised. Walter 02:03, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Actually, I have been told that HDs are only the 2nd biggest point of failure; internal connectors breaking is Number 1. We are trying to eliminate most of those as well.Walter 03:40, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Questioning the Choice of Linux

Somewhere in this wiki (in the discussion of system software), the starting paragraph "seriously questions" Linux for OLPC. But in this FAQ, it starts off by saying it will be Linux-based. To cut short the argument, why not try PuppyLinux now so that the project can move forward to content, training and localization concerns?

The Fedora kernel[2] is sufficiently far-enough along that developers can start exploring some of these higher-level issues. Also, we hope that many of these issues will be addressed upstream such that they benefit the entire community, not just those using this particular platform. Walter 02:03, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

letter to the project

Dear OLPC,

In researching positive initiatives for a human geography project, I was very interested to find your project which offers a $100 laptop to poor countries. I take for granted all the benefits I get from computers every day-- I probably learn more from them than books. However, there are some concerns I have about possible pitfalls in this project.

You plan to distribute the laptops through the government in such countries as China. How will you make sure that the laptops are distributed fairly, and not just to kids in communist party households? It seems like the plan is all to presumptive that the governments will fairly distribute the technology.

Also, another concern I'm sure you've heard raised is that the hardware is not open source. Won't proprietary, closed-source software limit the spread of the laptops?

I also read that you are working on making the laptop more "green". Could you perhaps provide some details on what steps you're taking to make it safe for the environment?

Lastly, concerns have been brought up about the economic effect of releasing the computers in a closed market. What is your response to critics who argue that computer companies in poor countries would be hit negatively by the wide availability of these laptops.

Thanks for your concern, but more importantly, thanks for your work towards a good cause.

Sincerely,

Ben

The word industrial is not spelt correctly on the main page.

Dear Ben...

1. How many active communist nations can you name off? 2. A good cause?

 Let me ring in on this a bit...

What proof has anyone given that personal computers advances poverty stricken nations? I say that it does not. Looking at high schools around this nation that have expanded their computer systems vastly still accomplish the same ammount of learning they did before. The answer to a poverty stricken society is not computers! It is funding put forth into their school systems to renovate current buildings, staff the schools better and with more qualified teachers and build new schools where they are in great need. Invest time and money into finding a way to lower the cost of this, then start raising $100 per child and put it into their school systems.

Most children would not even use laptops for educational purposes anyways.

Example of technology at waste: At my old high school they decided it was essential for all students in an AP (advanced placement) class to have Palm pilots, which is a brand of hand held computers. Well, they used the palms for about 3 days and never took them out again.

upgrade current schools, build new schools, staff them better...after all of that is accomplished, then worry about getting kids cheap laptops.

So again, a good cause i ask? maybe...but definitely far far down the list of importance

Remember these words once this program launches and begins distribution, you can all tell me im right once you see the children in the SAME exact state as they were before the laptops after any period of time...5, 10, 15 years it matters not. This will accomplish nothing

~David Bobrowski dabobrow@yahoo.com

Well those points may have some accuracy. I don't agree very much at all. Even in America I've seen schools where there aren't any computer labs at all. Only a number of teachers have their OWN personal computers. All research is done on old books which haven't been updated since literally 1982. Which in fact did compromise my learning ability. People could write programs to teach kids different languages, how to read, how to do math with these within a year or two. I've also had serious problems with hand writing and the use of a computer has changed everything for me. Another point against your argument is why are you waisting your time putting down people that are truly trying to help out down when you could be doing all the things that in your mind do something. If you can't do those things then why not try instead of what your currently doing. These people are focusing on one issue and i believe their doing a great job at it too. I just don't think leaving it up to the government is a good idea. And buying in bulk (thousands) isn't realistically in any sense. The best place for these in my mind would be a middle school There is also a BIG difference between these and palm pilots. (I'm not apart of this project at all.. wish i was but not) These have a sleek small and portable design and unlike a palm pilot they have much better capabilities and real uses to them other then making a few notes and listening to a couple songs (i have 2 palm pilots and agree their not worth it). The only thing i truly have against the program is that i can't purchase one myself. I wouldn't mind spending 200 dollars one one of these maybe ensuring someone else in the world could get one sent to them or simply ensuring the program to continue. I'm also not so excited about the RedHat Distributions (I'm a debian man) but still these systems are a brilliant idea and hope they keep going. E-mail me at lilchris173@yahoo.com with any questions, comments, or collaborations.

What stops the thieves?

What will prevent gangs from targeting children who have these highly desirable laptops, and stealing them for resale? 62.6.139.14 11:03, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

The garish childlike colors and the toy appearance of the units will make them undesirable for adults to use or steal. But do not underestimate the child owners. They will know very well that this is a valuable object which they have been entrusted with. They will not want to lose them and will be careful about where they take them and when.

You could consider having the laptop only work if the child enters a password of their own choosing. This (if well known) would deter theft to a degree - but there might also be a risk that the child would be threatened with some kind of violence if they didn't divulge their password - after all, in some parts of the world, $100 is a LOT of money. An alternative might be to have the laptop learn the IP addresses of the other laptops in the child's classroom - if it doesn't hear from at least (say) half of the other laptops on it's list at least (say) once a week - it goes to sleep until it does hear from them. No passwords - but no point in stealing a laptop unless you are taking it to school - which would be a bit obvious. Just a thought. SteveBaker.

The computer is a really good idea - MAKE US PAY

I wish, please do they sold in every high developed countrys - FOR 150.- Dollar! (To elemantary schools etc. its a perfect machine.) And then you can go down with the price for poor countrys about 50.-$, better!

I'd just like to add that, as a British university student, I would personally pay up to maybe £250 ($300 - $350 USD?) to have one of these for myself, and would be happy to spend a good £50-100 extra on top of this as long as I knew that ALL the money I spent was going to help lower the costs of distributing these in schools around the world. Portable, durable, reliable, small, Linux (I'm assuming this version is user-friendly?), lots of USB ports, no higher spec than is neccessary, the sort of thing I could take everywhere I go without worry, and it has a crank handle (absolute genius!!!) - it's perfect!

Seriously, assuming there's no compatibility issues with office software, it's the perfect student machine: Overcharge us (comparatively) rich folk to hell and back, sell only direct via a website, get college/university-based voluntary organisations (in Britain, go via student unions and computing services) to distribute your publicity for you for experience (i.e. free), and use proceeds to extend the project. I know I'd be perfectly happy to help out and to pay a (modest) premium as long as it was clearly accountable and untainted by profiteering or dodgy dealing - i.e. that 100% of the proceeds went straight back into the project. Have an unemployed/state-benefits price ($180?), a full-time student price ($350?) and a waged price ($500? e.g. for technophobic writers, journalists, academics etc?).

There's a hell of a lot of people who want nothing more than a simple, portable, reliable typing machine with USB and optional internet, and who'd be happy to pay extra for a good cause and a guarentee that they weren't being ripped off by something badly made. Unlike every other computer manufacturer in the world you satisfy all of these criteria. It'd be a very simple way to modestly boost fundraising and awareness. Plus it'd make people like me very happy!

Nice :-)

Make it with a different color case(grey) and stamp a logo and message into the cover (like Apple does in their laptops). The message would say "I donated to the OLPC project". This way you prevent the real units being diverted into the 1st world retail stream.

Totally agree. 4 good reasons to let everybody to buy it :

1. I'm a software developper and I'm very interrested to pay twice the price for a OLPC laptop. Then I could easily create and test software that works well on it.
2. The twice of the target price is not so high compared to many "test computers" and still can give financial support to the project.
3. Another interresting border effect is that a critical mass is reached faster. The scale that permit a production/shipping price under the target price.
4. I'm interrested to buy this kind of educationnal tool for my own children. This is more interresting than a game console but not more expensive. More, this is a good platform for educationnal games.

(KEF, Belgium)

Gooda agree with that - the thing is cute enough, light enough - eco-friendly enough, etc, etc - Americans will pay $300 or $400 for these things - so "Buy one - get two others for <country of your choice> free" would be a great way to get them 'out there'. Furthermore - you know that the more educated geeks have these things - the more clever software will be written for them - and the more you sell, the lower the price. Heck - put up a pre-order form and you'll get my $400 today. I'm off to read more technical specs. SteveBaker - Texas, USA

Personally i'm from the New England area in the United States. There is obviously a lot of interest in other countries. I think you should really try and get some serious publicity in the USA. Like the person above me said "Buy one give 2 others for country of their choice". There are already products that do that except maybe to save the rainforest (not the highest priorty in most americans day). But something like this would peak Interest. Hey a product that will work great, last me through college and after, and hey i'm giving the oportunity for 2 other people somewhere in the world to a have a better education. Personally I hope there will be some work being done in the USA. I'd be the first to sign un in this area. But definatly don't leave it up to the government in USA to buy these (have you seen what they do with their money). But look into how "Calcuscribes" sell their product. I believe they cost 150 dollars a piece and its hardly a computer at all. If anyone wishes to speak with me about this e-mail me at "lilchris173@yahoo.com".

Frankly i disagree. First world countries have no direct need instead should be motivated to fund this milestone project. I could see however how certain small and special project in the US could also make use of this laptop however there should be a consistency in the target group that the cannot afford the laptop. In fact otherwise IF THERE ARE HUGE FINANCIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF a school, student class it SHOULD be the duty of the country, ministry of education to even out this status for the sake of education and therefore economy (which is all that matters for a country in an abstract sense)

Would optional sound capabilities lower the price?

I wonder if the sound capabilities are really necessary, an option would be to leave them out to lower the price of the basic PC, and produce an optional USB device for sound capabilities for those that need it (blind people, analphabets learning to read, etc.). --Dagoflores 01:04, 17 March 2006 (EST)

The sound card can also do modem. A modem can attach to radio and phone lines, that gives you the internet. 62.252.0.11 10:12, 18 March 2006 (EST)

Music is fundumental and will not be compromised. We will have sound. Also the microphone input can be used for sensor input. Finally, a modem is of little use without a phone. Walter 10:56, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Will the display be able to rotate orientation??

I visualize a display with the ability to switch orientation, from a horizontal (traditional PC) display for work with width needs, such as Internet pages, into a vertical (book page format) for reading e-books, with the lines running vertically, hopefully in two columns of text, (which has been demostrated to be easier to read, and to add graphics into it at one column width). --Dagoflores 00:54, 17 March 2006 (EST) Answer: ____ not yet. --Dagoflores 13:48, 23 March 2006 (EST)

yes Walter 11:00, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Is there any work has been done for the making of e-Textbook?

One original goal of the OLPC is to use laptop to replace conventional textbooks. There is no much time left before the first release of OLPC laptops to these 7 developing countries in early 2007. The content of textbook is a very political thing and the making of the e-Textbooks could also not be a simple work. So it could be a very urgent and serious problem for the OLPC task.

There is work going on in the various launch countries (and elsewhere) on electronic text books. There are also several efforts to build textbooks as resources under a Creative Commons license. However, OLPC itself will not be creating any text books. Walter 09:52, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

We should have a page for Electronic Textbook Projects.

Wording

Are "OLPC" and the "$100 Computer" the same?

No. One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is the name of a non-profit association whose mission is to provide a laptop computer for every child as "both a window and a tool: a window into the world and a tool with which to think." The $100 Computer (or Laptop) is the machine we are developing towards the realization of this mission. Walter 15:35, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

Inclusion of BASIC / easy to learn programming?

The inclusion of BASIC in the early home computers in the west created a generation of children who could program, many of whom turned into professional programmers. The UK IT industry for one owes a lot to these early home computers. Will a language, such as BASIC, be included with these laptops? - Dan Huby, dan at huby dot me dot uk.

We will ship with at least three "Turing machines": Python, Javascript, and Logo. Walter 14:44, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Could you get the next generation off of staggered QWERTY keyboards?

First, congratulations! This is a wonderful project that plenty of folks said couldn't be done. Since your targetted users have no investment in the legacy typewriter keyboard, I really wish you could take this opportunity to move the world off of the darned things.

QWERTY keyboards are only used in countries with a Latin-based alphabet. Many of the target countries will not use QWERTY because they have a totally different writing system.

Many of the target countries DO have a substantial investment in their existing typewriter keyboard layouts.

Could you provide a keyboard with the keys arranged in columns, with a more sensible layout as the default?

Can you cite any studies that demonstrate columnar arrngements to be superior to staggered arrangements. I suspect that staggered arrangements are better for fast typists.

SHIFT and BACKSPACE under the thumbs somehow instead of the pinkies? Seems like this is the *ideal* opportunity to get a new generation of users onto a better typing foundation -- faster learning, faster typing, fewer errors, less stress on the tendons, etc. Your volumes are such that the development of inexpensive keyboards that match your design would be inevitable.

Getting the next generation of users on a decent keyboard would do the world a big favor (to add to the HUGE favor you are already doing it!). If there are extra one-time engineering costs associated with doing the right thing keyboard-wise, I would personally contribute $100 toward them -- and I'll bet lots of other people would do the same.

You misunderstand the goals of the OLPC and the customers. The goal is to educate children but the customers are national Ministries of Education. It is up to them to choose the keyboard layout.

Where is the website that's already selling the 1st Gen OLPC?

'Others have already started a website that sells our laptop for $300, so the balance of money can be used to support the poorest children.'

Where is this website? It might be good to have a link so interested parties can sign up. -206.58.200.30 19:35, 12 February 2006 (EST)

http://www.pledgebank.com/100laptop Foneros 11:33, 25 May 2006 (EDT)

What happens when a kid nukes the software on his/her computer?

Is there a way to wipe everything and start again, if a kid accidently screws up a config file or what not? --Stranger 00:57, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

In addition to booting from the flash disk in the laptop, you can also boot from a flash disk attached to one of the USB ports on the laptop. This flash disk can have a program that repairs any damaged files on the internal flash disk. It can also nuke the disk and re-install from scratch. Eventually it may be possible to do this over the Wi-Fi network too, but that is more of a wish than a plan. Tef