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=== Power and Batteries === |
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When you look at military PDAs,they are powered by fuel cells that aren't so available in these countries and are not in the price range being considered. We have to do something with the options available. |
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=== Make your own batteries === |
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Is it feasible for the kids to make their own batteries to power the OLPC? This would be a fantastic science project if it is possible. If potato and lemon powered clocks are possible, this should be too. |
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==== Batt types and charges ==== |
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If you are constantly recharging the battery all the time this will greatly decrease the life of the battery. |
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NiMH batteries do not suffer from "memory effect", in fact NiCd batteries don't normally either. But, both types do suffer from voltage depression; when they are fresh and new they give a voltage of 1.2v per cell so 8 cells will give 9.6v, a useful amount. But if the cell is over charged or just always on trickle charge the cell voltage soon drops to just about one volt per cell; just 8v total, the equlivent of removing an entire cell. The interesting thing is voltage depression does NOT effect the total capacity of the battery. I have NiMH and NiCd that are completely depressed (hmmm) but they still do the job as well as they did when new. |
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The problem with this is the discharge graph [http://www.uniross.com/UK/industrial/Product%5Ccharacteristics/010302]. You will notice that it's mostly flat so some designers take the 1.2v as gospel and design thier electronics to shutdown at 1.1v. If the battery is depressed by 0.2v this line comes in at about 10%..15% of the way into the capacity so you only get 10%..15% of your two and a bit hours of charge ... 20 minutes... [[User:62.252.0.11|62.252.0.11]] 15:42, 17 March 2006 (EST) |
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i heard that nicd and nimh batteries have some fake memory effect: |
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it was said that they were afected by another redox transformation than the normal,when they keep staying pluged on after having fully recharged the batteries: |
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this redox transformation will divide the battery in 2 and have a part with the normal voltage and another part with an inferior voltage |
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usualy that caan be easely detected because there is a voltage jump and so they needed to be full discharged with a resistor in order to get back their capacity but i don't remember the formula for calculating the value of the resistor |
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[[User:213.189.165.28|213.189.165.28]] 19:48, 4 April 2006 (EDT) |
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[[Category:Hardware Ideas]] |
Revision as of 22:28, 15 June 2006
Introduction
The OLPC has put a lot of effort into building a device that uses very low power consumption because it will be deployed in areas with no power infrastructure, or poor power infrastructure, or just plain expensive electricity costs. The laptop is capable of taking a DC input ranging from 5 volts to 25 volts to charge the 5-cell NiMH battery inside. This is far more flexible than most portable devices.
In addition, the early concept devices were shown with a hand crank on the side to demonstrate that they would work in areas where the only electricity available comes from devices like the Freecharge portable charger. The units will ship with some kind of human-powered charger that plugs into the DC socket.
Read more details in Hardware specification.
Ideas for Alternate Power Sources
Server with Solar Power
This server version could be built with a project laptop with the lid sealed shut. This machine should be a low power device -- a server should operate by solar panel in the lid or wind. It can be left unattended at high points in the area. This could be mounted on a pole or large tree at a hill/mountain top.
Hand cranked power
First of all, remember that the hand crank shown on the side of the original prototypes will not be used in the shipping units. The mechanical forces of cranking turned out to be incompatible with the laptop case. In addition, the hand crank relies on some of the smallest and most delicate muscles in the human body, namely hand and wrist muscles. As any anatomist will tell you, the strongest human muscles are in the leg. Therefore the shipping units will come with a pedal-powered recharger. If you want to prove this to yourself then try the Freecharge portable charger. You can buy both a hand crank unit for mobile phones and a foot pedal unit.
Hand cranked power:Byke Adaptor
Bykes are very good pedal units and are often used by many students and workers A simple add-on could allow to charge the computer while , for example ,going to school or to work by bicycle as usual,this kind of add on could be really welcomed in many country
The simple add on it's just 2 rims( one to be added to the user byke,one to to the charger ),and a chain. Something as 2 U-bolt applied on the byke rack used to transport the laptop could avoid any stress to the computer case when charging This tool has not to replace the hand crank but to complete it
it cost less then any pedal units for all users that have alredy a bike ,and doesn't require additional effort ( or waste of time) from all the users that already are using bykes to go to work or to school
Salvage Old Motors
People could salvage old electric motors and turn them into a generator which could be run by bullock power or running water.
Car and Motorcycle Batteries
People who have the use of vehicles can charge up extra batteries and rent them out to OLPC users.
Low voltage infrastructure
The power connector should be widely available, allowing connections to a variety of low voltage devices. I believe there are other projects promoting low-voltage, high efficiency lighting for the third world. These systems might be a source of laptop power.
- There are two such connectors on the laptop. One is where the power generator plugs in to recharge the batteries. Obviously you could use the generator to power other things as well. The other such connection is called a USB port. One of the gadgets that you will find in computer stores is a light that plugs into the USB port.
Reuse of dead car batteries
Related to the above, it is my understanding that most 12 Volt vehicle battery failures involve a short circuit in a single cell, reducing the total voltage at full charge to a bit over 10 V. Such batteries should still be able to power the lap top and could be charged by solar cells or a manual generator. They could even be placed in a car or truck and charged from a cigar lighter adaptor during work trips. A discarded vehicle battery should be able to run an OLPC machine for a few days after a full charge.
- Now that is a prime topic for an e-book to be distributed with the OLPC. Some guy will take his kid's generator, adapt it to water buffalo power and use the beast to charge up car batteries for a fee.
Power and Batteries
When you look at military PDAs,they are powered by fuel cells that aren't so available in these countries and are not in the price range being considered. We have to do something with the options available.
Make your own batteries
Is it feasible for the kids to make their own batteries to power the OLPC? This would be a fantastic science project if it is possible. If potato and lemon powered clocks are possible, this should be too.
Batt types and charges
If you are constantly recharging the battery all the time this will greatly decrease the life of the battery.
NiMH batteries do not suffer from "memory effect", in fact NiCd batteries don't normally either. But, both types do suffer from voltage depression; when they are fresh and new they give a voltage of 1.2v per cell so 8 cells will give 9.6v, a useful amount. But if the cell is over charged or just always on trickle charge the cell voltage soon drops to just about one volt per cell; just 8v total, the equlivent of removing an entire cell. The interesting thing is voltage depression does NOT effect the total capacity of the battery. I have NiMH and NiCd that are completely depressed (hmmm) but they still do the job as well as they did when new.
The problem with this is the discharge graph [1]. You will notice that it's mostly flat so some designers take the 1.2v as gospel and design thier electronics to shutdown at 1.1v. If the battery is depressed by 0.2v this line comes in at about 10%..15% of the way into the capacity so you only get 10%..15% of your two and a bit hours of charge ... 20 minutes... 62.252.0.11 15:42, 17 March 2006 (EST)
i heard that nicd and nimh batteries have some fake memory effect:
it was said that they were afected by another redox transformation than the normal,when they keep staying pluged on after having fully recharged the batteries:
this redox transformation will divide the battery in 2 and have a part with the normal voltage and another part with an inferior voltage
usualy that caan be easely detected because there is a voltage jump and so they needed to be full discharged with a resistor in order to get back their capacity but i don't remember the formula for calculating the value of the resistor
213.189.165.28 19:48, 4 April 2006 (EDT)