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[[User:Homunq|Homunq]] 10:37, 7 April 2008 (EDT)
[[User:Homunq|Homunq]] 10:37, 7 April 2008 (EDT)


The system I proposed can be easily be developed as a part of extension of Moodle itself; because primarily both originate from the same domain, though serve different purposes! My proposal was to keep this system aloof from Moodle owing to the fact that extending this to Moodle and deploying it may be unnecessary; but as per mentor's feedback received it seemed obvious that OLPC is looking forward towards deployment of Moodle at their servers and hence I have changed my proposal accordingly (Wiki has not been updated yet to reflect it).
The system I proposed can be easily be developed as a part of extension to Moodle; because primarily both originate from the same domain, though each serving different purposes! My proposal was to keep this system aloof from Moodle, owing to the fact that extending this to Moodle and deploying it may be unnecessary; but as per mentor's feedback it seems now but obvious that OLPC is looking forward towards deploying Moodle at their school server. Hence I have changed my proposal accordingly (Wiki has not been updated yet to reflect it).

[[User:Abhicool|Abhicool]] 18:44, 10 April 2008 (IST)

Great, can't ask for a better answer than that! Now, as I said on IRC, my next priority would be having this usable offline, even if in some limited version, for students. Not sure if doing a xulrunner-style activity, a la [[SocialCalc]], is feasible.

Second question: do you envision all questions as being computer-scorable, or do you have support for human grading? The latter can be much richer, but if you do it, some interface support for rubrics (including rubric file format and rubric construction - not sure if there are standards) would be a great bonus. Not asking you to throw the kitchen sink into GSoC - "future features" would be fine.

[[User:Homunq|Homunq]] 10:29, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Wiki has *now* been updated as well! Your point taken, having it usable locally at student's systems would be highly desirable feature (for practice and learning processes). It can be taken up as future scope; may be as a plug-in? Though working on it is highly dependent on how E-learning systems are deployed at OLPC.

About second question: The credit for various 'difficulty levels' will be template specific (and thus exam specific). You may count it as Rubrics when same template is used over and again... but if template changed then 'manual'. Hopefully I answered you? or if not please drop in your comments.

Thanks for showing interest and active feedback s.

[[User:Abhicool|Abhicool]] 20:14, 10 April 2008 (IST)

second question (rubrics):

um, not sure I understand you.

What I get: you envision support for both machine scoring (answer "6/3" gets 1 point, answer "2" gets 2 points) and human scoring (free answer). You envision some kind of "template" which tells the human scorer how to score (1 point for giving a solution, 2 points for generalizing that solution). A rubric consists of several such templates, to score the same answer on several different dimensions simultaneously (ideas, presentation, ...). There are tools, including web-based ones, for creating and saving rubrics, so I believe that there are some standard formats. Do you envision support for rubrics?

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okay, I get your point now, you want to suggest the usage of tools such as rubric for scoring based on several dimensions (ideas, presentation, etc). I took that for some other query related to 'question weights' (adding towards maximum attainable score)

Well, your suggestion is definitely worth-while implementation. I will add a section to my proposal as 'future prospects' and possible additions for better alignment of this application to possible future requirements of the teacher(s) and include this idea in that.

Thanks for the suggestion, let any other suggestions or feedback flow freely as well if they tick you.

[[User:Abhicool|Abhicool]] 21:34, 10 April 2008 (IST)

Latest revision as of 16:04, 10 April 2008

I understand your reasoning about why this is potentially different from moodle. However, I would like to see some more discussion of how/when/why they could intersect, and how you would harmonize/integrate/avoid these cases.

Homunq 10:37, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

The system I proposed can be easily be developed as a part of extension to Moodle; because primarily both originate from the same domain, though each serving different purposes! My proposal was to keep this system aloof from Moodle, owing to the fact that extending this to Moodle and deploying it may be unnecessary; but as per mentor's feedback it seems now but obvious that OLPC is looking forward towards deploying Moodle at their school server. Hence I have changed my proposal accordingly (Wiki has not been updated yet to reflect it).

Abhicool 18:44, 10 April 2008 (IST)

Great, can't ask for a better answer than that! Now, as I said on IRC, my next priority would be having this usable offline, even if in some limited version, for students. Not sure if doing a xulrunner-style activity, a la SocialCalc, is feasible.

Second question: do you envision all questions as being computer-scorable, or do you have support for human grading? The latter can be much richer, but if you do it, some interface support for rubrics (including rubric file format and rubric construction - not sure if there are standards) would be a great bonus. Not asking you to throw the kitchen sink into GSoC - "future features" would be fine.

Homunq 10:29, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Wiki has *now* been updated as well! Your point taken, having it usable locally at student's systems would be highly desirable feature (for practice and learning processes). It can be taken up as future scope; may be as a plug-in? Though working on it is highly dependent on how E-learning systems are deployed at OLPC.

About second question: The credit for various 'difficulty levels' will be template specific (and thus exam specific). You may count it as Rubrics when same template is used over and again... but if template changed then 'manual'. Hopefully I answered you? or if not please drop in your comments.

Thanks for showing interest and active feedback s.

Abhicool 20:14, 10 April 2008 (IST)

second question (rubrics):

um, not sure I understand you.

What I get: you envision support for both machine scoring (answer "6/3" gets 1 point, answer "2" gets 2 points) and human scoring (free answer). You envision some kind of "template" which tells the human scorer how to score (1 point for giving a solution, 2 points for generalizing that solution). A rubric consists of several such templates, to score the same answer on several different dimensions simultaneously (ideas, presentation, ...). There are tools, including web-based ones, for creating and saving rubrics, so I believe that there are some standard formats. Do you envision support for rubrics?

--

okay, I get your point now, you want to suggest the usage of tools such as rubric for scoring based on several dimensions (ideas, presentation, etc). I took that for some other query related to 'question weights' (adding towards maximum attainable score)

Well, your suggestion is definitely worth-while implementation. I will add a section to my proposal as 'future prospects' and possible additions for better alignment of this application to possible future requirements of the teacher(s) and include this idea in that.

Thanks for the suggestion, let any other suggestions or feedback flow freely as well if they tick you.

Abhicool 21:34, 10 April 2008 (IST)