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== '''Filtering''' ==
==''' Selling These Laptops in Developed Countries'''==
I have been trying to find the proper forum for raising a concern about these machines and offering a few potential solutions. The webcam built into the machines seems likely to be used to create exploitative pornography, which could then be easily distributed. [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Ask_OLPC_a_Question click here] to be redirected (within this wiki) to a fuller explanation of the risk and an outline of one possible solution. I work, by profession, in online mentoring and I lived in the developing world for a number of recent years. If this risk is not taken seriously, the impact has the potential to spoil the reputation of the program.


=='''Donation Idea'''==
I see a lot of people in the US (myself included) who would actually consider purchasing and using one of these laptops for both personal and educational use. If these Laptops are made available in Western or developed countries, buyers should agree to a sponsorship transaction where they buy one device for themselves and one for a child in a developing country (in effect, paying for two devices but agreeing to donate one or even two to a child in a developing country).
i was thinking, it would be a fun idea if people who are fortunate enough to be able to donate the cost of a laptop would have their name and email address stickered onto the bottom of a laptop so the recipient would have someone they could communicate with, like penpals and stuff.


- hello, that sounds a good idea. How about installing some short of "hello message" from computer-donator that could be started from desktop? there could be your personal information and maybe something about your country your living in, pictures etc. It could also be smart program that works via internet and some server and you could update and send messages.. now we need some programming..
Follow the apple lead with the RED products. And produce a RED version.
Convince Starbucks T-Mobile to provide free or reduced wifi for anybody with an olpc laptop.


>>did you see about the give 1 get 1. thats pretty cool.
The demand for them would be unstoppable even at $300-$400 dollars. People would be able to check email drink their coffee with there bright red laptop smug in the knowledge that everybody walking by knows they are doing there bit to save the world.


== ''' Should we consider a companion project that will lead to the development of One Laptop per Citizen?''' ==


This seems like a simple pen-pal system, which is great, but could be implemented much better. Simply keep two matched lists of donors wanting to get letters and recipients wanting to send. This would provide a much better contact rate, allow some chance of rationality matching language capabilities, and eliminate the need to customize each box either in software or hardware.
I understand that this proposition will raise many more questions than the original OLPC project but I believe is worth start discussing it. The digital citizens of today have lot digitized information of personal interest that should reside in a really personal computer an OLPC…


=='''Retail version independent of OLPC'''==


I suggest the interested OLPC community develop a retail model linked (by donation etc.) to the parent project. I feel that the market demand for such a laptop would be massive and donation to other charity groups would also increase consumer interest. I will try to assemble a team to work on a model. email me if interested. edgertronics@gmail.com
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==Donation support==
By opening sales to the general public and primary education organisations in developed countries an "x dollar donation towards a laptop for someone in a develping country" scheme could be implemented, which, in theory would help to increase the volume of laptops available for use by its target populations.


==''' Selling These Laptops in Developed Countries'''==
== Green Hardware ==


I see a lot of people in the US (myself included) who would actually consider purchasing and using one of these laptops for both personal and educational use. If these Laptops are made available in Western or developed countries, buyers should agree to a sponsorship transaction where they buy one device for themselves and one for a child in a developing country (in effect, paying for two devices but agreeing to donate one or even two to a child in a developing country).
Some Ideas from [http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003881.html WorldChanging]:
"...We typically discuss organic polymer electronics (OPE) as a feature of the fabrication future, but the clean leapfrog application is important, too. The production of OPE is much cleaner than traditional electronics, and the materials themselves contain few if any heavy metals. Recent OPE developments include a microprocessor able to run at around 100MHz (far slower than today's fastest laptops, but easily fast enough for the kinds of basic information and communication tasks described for the OLPC project), a variety of slower circuit and sub-processor plastics, an organic polymer battery and even a colorful, fast flat-panel display. Even the solar panels often suggested as an add-on for the hundred dollar laptop could be made with organic polymer materials."


Follow the apple lead with the RED products. And produce a RED version.
==Wonderful Idea But Long-Term Support Needed==
Convince Starbucks T-Mobile to provide free or reduced wifi for anybody with an olpc laptop.


The demand for them would be unstoppable even at $300-$400 dollars. People would be able to check email drink their coffee with their bright red laptop smug in the knowledge that everybody walking by knows they are doing their bit to save the world.
Having worked in Africa for several years and seen many, many "donation" programs fail due to lack of service, support and follow up, I must suggest that this program will not work unless there is a commitment to long-term support of each laptop. Here's an example: a brand-new x-ray machine donated by the Japanese government after much hoopla and press sat useless for 10 years after an easily repairable part broke and there was no money to fix it. If laptops are going to be donated, there needs to be thought put into what happens when something goes wrong with them. It would be a shame to see thousands of laptops sitting useless once something goes wrong with them. Service programs must be included in any equipment donation if the program is to have long-term sustainability.


Laura Hendrix


I had thought of something similar, but wouldn't it make more sense to say that if you donate, say, 10 units ($1000), you get one for free for yourself? That would be about the price of another cheap laptop anyways - and I mean, I'm a college student, and I'm able to get $1000 together for a laptop. I would much rather spend it this way than on some fancy laptop for myself.
lhamilton_114@hotmail.com


And with the corporate sponsors idea - perhaps instead of free wifi here, in the US, the companies could agree to put that much $ towards getting internet etc into more remote areas (i.e. the real reason the laptops are around)
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Hi - I just had a similar idea here in the UK - to sell them here for say £75 or £100 for our kids to use the same kit as kids in developing countries would give them a tangible point of contact and for each one/two you buy bought here, a child in need would get theirs paid for...
This is an important suggestion. How can this service programme be realized? The topic needs its own page.


== ''' Should we consider a companion project that will lead to the development of One Laptop per Citizen?''' ==
[[Laptop Service Programme Ideas]]


I understand that this proposition will raise many more questions than the original OLPC project but I believe is worth start discussing it. The digital citizens of today have lot digitized information of personal interest that should reside in a really personal computer an OLPC…
== Rollout and Community Building ==


Rollout and Community Building Ideas are now in their own page.


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[[Rollout and Community Building Ideas]]
==Donation support==
By opening sales to the general public and primary education organisations in developed countries an "x dollar donation towards a laptop for someone in a develping country" scheme could be implemented, which, in theory would help to increase the volume of laptops available for use by its target populations.


==Promotion: Enclose an OLPC poster and add a letter asking for help==
==Resistance To Malware==
If you send the XO laptops to your donators, why don't you enclose a poster to this delivery? There is still a letter from Mr. Negroponte. In this letter the project OLPC can ask for further help.


Some sentences like: "Although the project knows that you support the project with your donation, you can help the children once again. Please hang out this poster at the next grocery store or at the university or at the next supermarket... Please help us to make others aware of this huge humanitarian effort that can change the world." would probably create good public awareness.
When so much good work is being done it's sad to mention those who would attempt to destroy some of it but, working as a security consultant, it seems inevitable that individuals will find pleasure in developing ways of messing up the laptops. Wireless communications will be as good at spreading viruses, trojans, etc - collectively often referred to as "malware" - as children catching colds from each other.


The project still created a good poster (the african girl "wearing" an XO laptop on her head). Make some more interesting posters, add always your internet adress "www.laptop.org" on this poster.
We therefore need a multi-pronged approach to this potential risk such as, for example:


Another idea: offer the community some posters as a download, so that everone can print out the poster at home or at a professional copy shop. Ask the community for help to spread OLPC's vision around the world!
* '''Limit the scope of impact of any malware''': This could be done using a mixture of Linux access controls, clear separation of data from executable code with controls on what can be executed, and by "sandboxing" anything that is communicated over the WLAN
* '''Detect and respond to any suspicious system behaviour''': Identify, for example, a laptop trying to send a "payload" to many other machines. Virus protection in the form we know it would be infeasible, however, because of the problems of distributing updates
* '''Provide a simple and quick means of reinitialising a laptop''': In the worst case scenario, it should be able to revert laptops to a known state eg, by a clean restart from a protected ROM. I say "protected" as any laptop ROM is most likely to be EEPROM to allow for upgrades and this immediately opens the opportunity for someone to try and corrupt that EEPROM.


== Green Hardware ==
Clearly reinitialisation is undesirable except in the worst circumstances as kids risk losing any work stored in their laptop. A possible way round this is to provide simple backup to external storage such as a USB memory device.

Anyway, I could go on but I'd be interested in other people's views. You may already have been thinking about this!

Richard Lewis, London, England

==Skills Database==

I, and I'm sure others with valuable skills, would like to support the olpc project but can't find an appropriate slot in the existing listed set of activities. So, like ships passing in the night, you may be losing potentially valuable people simply because you didn't know you needed them at the time. Worse, when you do need those skills you can't find them anywhere.

How about developing a list (database) of potential volunteers arranged by skills on whom you could draw if and when you needed it? A ''private'' list to avoid it being used as a job-finding marketplace.

Potential volunteers could be asked to send a short paragraph describing their skills and what they would be interested in doing which could then be put into the skills database. You could even use a standard web form to submit the information in the way you want.

Also, given the difficulty in correctly classifying people's skills, it might also be worthwhile using a desktop search engine (mentioning no names!) which would allow you find combinations of key words that you might not otherwise have used.

Richard Lewis, London, England

==THE MILLENNIUM GIFT ETHIOPIA==

The discussion is moved to [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/OLPC_Ethiopia OLPC ethiopia]

===Ethiopia የሺህ ዓመት ስጦታ ኢትዮጵያ===
#Poorest country in the world
#Lowest computer penetration in the world
#Lowest Internet and mobile penetration in the world
#Uses unique alphabet
#Uses unique calendar
*which needs some amount of development investment by software companies. The likely hood of that happening is slim due to problem no1 above. No one would invest on a market that has no money.
Even if computers trickle in to Ethiopia some how (which is not happening) they are of no use for an ordinary Ethiopian child who do not understand much English. The software companies will not be rushing to build computers for Ethiopian children since there will not be money in it.
The present system is condemns every Ethiopian child to computer darkness, for forseeable future.

===light in the tunnel===
But we are in a very unique time, and opportunity has presented itself to change all this. For those who do not know, at the moment the calender year in Ethiopia is 1998. The Ethiopian millennium comes on September 11th 2008. (Don’t mind the date. You cannot imagine how painful for Ethiopians that dreadful day was.) That means the Ethiopian Millennium is going to be in about one and half year from now. And there are about 1.5 million Ethiopians living abroad. Most of those Ethiopians are educated and could help in many ways. Out of those Ethiopians with the most conservative estimate about 100 000 will be celebrating the Ethiopian millennium in Ethiopia.

===What The Millennium Gift Project does?===
The millennium gift project for the next one and half year prepares a gift of one laptop computer by one travelling Ethiopian for one Ethiopian child to be presented for the millennium celebration.

This project organizes a massive localization and translation project with the participation of all capable Ethiopians, free and open source software developers, institutions such as universities and colleges. Helping with organizing, coding, translating, identifying recipients and donors and contributing money.

===The software’s to be localized and translated to at least one Ethiopian language are===
*[https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/am Ubuntu Linux Dapper drake] (because of the [https://launchpad.net/ launchpad at Ubuntu] facility *Edubuntu
*[http://am.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%8B%8B%E1%8A%93%E1%8B%8D_%E1%8C%88%E1%8C%BD Amharic wikipedia]
*[http://am.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%8B%8B%E1%8A%93_%E1%8C%88%E1%8C%BD Amharic Wiktionary]

===Hardware===
*[http://www.laptop.org/ One laptop per child computer]
*Any laptop computer
*Any capable desktop computer
*Servers for schools
*Communication and Networking Equipment

===Recipients===
*Schools
*Classes
*Students

[[User:Teferra|Teferra]] 05:12, 27 May 2006 (EDT)


Some Ideas from [http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003881.html Wo
===External link===


=='''Donation Idea'''==
Here is a link to a webspace about Ethiopian computing.
i was thinking, it would be a fun idea if people who are fortunate enough to be able to donate the cost of a laptop would have their name and email address stickered onto the bottom of a laptop


http://www.geez.org/


=='''Stickers Idea'''==
===Ethiopic page in this wiki===


It seems like a classroom filled with identical laptops is an screaming invitation for personalization. In the tech industry, we are used to having a huge sticker resevoir generated by marketing departments of various companies vying for our attention. It is hard to imagine that children around the world already have a drawer full of miscellaneous stickers, so perhaps providing an assortment would be appreciated. Given that many companies would probably like to have their logos on stickers around the world, why not have them pay for the stickers and pay for priviledge of having the stickers delivered as part of the OLPC program. It would be interesting if such a sticker tax could further reduce the costs of the laptops. Of course the kids will use or not use what they want.
* [[Ethiopic]]


=='''How to pronounce your name again?'''==
===OLPC Ethiopia page in this wiki===


We should give the children the opportunity to speak out loud and record their names, towns and countries, so that their friends from some other end of the world know how to pronounce it. Sure, you could read the name of someone else, but if it's written in Thai characters, you'll be lost anyway.
* [[OLPC Ethiopia]]
Perhaps we could even implement some kind of audio tooltip, such that the name is played, when you hover over some friends' icon long enough.


== NGO'S CAN BE A POWERFUL TOOL IN YOUR IMPLEMENTATION ==
''The addition of the OLPC Ethiopia page has not been done by the management. It is simply another member of the community adding the page so that you have somewhere to place more information in the hope that it helps your campaign.''


Greetings,
===Which languages or languages are to be used?===
I have read what you have to say about NGO's and how they would slow down your progress at implementation but I do want you to consider the fact that it is possible for NGO's to receive funding for educational purposes from international foundations and organizations. Perhaps a NGO could aid with the funding requirement of, for the sake of argument, the teaching of the educators in the use of the new machines. Surely with such new technology, instruction for the teaching staff would be required...and then there is the matter of initial set up, another area where outside funds could be used. It seems to me that they are numerous areas that NGO's could step in and help with the program, we just need to know that our efforts would be supported by you and the governments concerned. Some smaller third world countries simply do not have the funds for education that your program may demand. I am affiliated with a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation that also holds a NGO in Belize. Our organization would be honored to help in your mission. Should you reconsider your position on NGO's, please keep us in mind. I feel sure that you can contact me by return email, as I do not wish to use your site for free advertisement. Your mission is noble and I respect your desire to educate the poor. JWB


==Reserve some for charity auction==
Which languages or languages are to be used?


There are a number of charitable organizations which raise money via auctions. The XO-1 would be an ideal candidate for an auction item, because its low availability in the first world would amplify its auction price.
Do they all use the Ethiopic script?


I am already planning to put my G1G1 laptop up for auction for my own organization, [http://www.chessforsuccess.org/ Chess for Success]. They would be more than willing to purchase a few more for our auction in April. --[[User:IanOsgood|IanOsgood]] 14:22, 17 February 2008 (EST)
100-Dollar Laptop: UN Secretary General’s Office
shouldn’t be used for exploiting the poor
'''more info on Discussion page'''


A big network which is open for donor and NGO those want to donate laptop [http://joyofgivingonline.com Joy of Giving Foundation]
== ''' See also ''' ==
[[Opposing Views]]


[[Category:OLPC ideas]]
[[Category:Feedback]]
[[Category:Feedback]]

Latest revision as of 10:07, 4 September 2012

Filtering

I have been trying to find the proper forum for raising a concern about these machines and offering a few potential solutions. The webcam built into the machines seems likely to be used to create exploitative pornography, which could then be easily distributed. click here to be redirected (within this wiki) to a fuller explanation of the risk and an outline of one possible solution. I work, by profession, in online mentoring and I lived in the developing world for a number of recent years. If this risk is not taken seriously, the impact has the potential to spoil the reputation of the program.

Donation Idea

i was thinking, it would be a fun idea if people who are fortunate enough to be able to donate the cost of a laptop would have their name and email address stickered onto the bottom of a laptop so the recipient would have someone they could communicate with, like penpals and stuff.

- hello, that sounds a good idea. How about installing some short of "hello message" from computer-donator that could be started from desktop? there could be your personal information and maybe something about your country your living in, pictures etc. It could also be smart program that works via internet and some server and you could update and send messages.. now we need some programming..

>>did you see about the give 1 get 1. thats pretty cool.


This seems like a simple pen-pal system, which is great, but could be implemented much better. Simply keep two matched lists of donors wanting to get letters and recipients wanting to send. This would provide a much better contact rate, allow some chance of rationality matching language capabilities, and eliminate the need to customize each box either in software or hardware.

Retail version independent of OLPC

I suggest the interested OLPC community develop a retail model linked (by donation etc.) to the parent project. I feel that the market demand for such a laptop would be massive and donation to other charity groups would also increase consumer interest. I will try to assemble a team to work on a model. email me if interested. edgertronics@gmail.com

Selling These Laptops in Developed Countries

I see a lot of people in the US (myself included) who would actually consider purchasing and using one of these laptops for both personal and educational use. If these Laptops are made available in Western or developed countries, buyers should agree to a sponsorship transaction where they buy one device for themselves and one for a child in a developing country (in effect, paying for two devices but agreeing to donate one or even two to a child in a developing country).

Follow the apple lead with the RED products. And produce a RED version. Convince Starbucks T-Mobile to provide free or reduced wifi for anybody with an olpc laptop.

The demand for them would be unstoppable even at $300-$400 dollars. People would be able to check email drink their coffee with their bright red laptop smug in the knowledge that everybody walking by knows they are doing their bit to save the world.


I had thought of something similar, but wouldn't it make more sense to say that if you donate, say, 10 units ($1000), you get one for free for yourself? That would be about the price of another cheap laptop anyways - and I mean, I'm a college student, and I'm able to get $1000 together for a laptop. I would much rather spend it this way than on some fancy laptop for myself.

And with the corporate sponsors idea - perhaps instead of free wifi here, in the US, the companies could agree to put that much $ towards getting internet etc into more remote areas (i.e. the real reason the laptops are around)

Hi - I just had a similar idea here in the UK - to sell them here for say £75 or £100 for our kids to use the same kit as kids in developing countries would give them a tangible point of contact and for each one/two you buy bought here, a child in need would get theirs paid for...

Should we consider a companion project that will lead to the development of One Laptop per Citizen?

I understand that this proposition will raise many more questions than the original OLPC project but I believe is worth start discussing it. The digital citizens of today have lot digitized information of personal interest that should reside in a really personal computer an OLPC…


Donation support

By opening sales to the general public and primary education organisations in developed countries an "x dollar donation towards a laptop for someone in a develping country" scheme could be implemented, which, in theory would help to increase the volume of laptops available for use by its target populations.

Promotion: Enclose an OLPC poster and add a letter asking for help

If you send the XO laptops to your donators, why don't you enclose a poster to this delivery? There is still a letter from Mr. Negroponte. In this letter the project OLPC can ask for further help.

Some sentences like: "Although the project knows that you support the project with your donation, you can help the children once again. Please hang out this poster at the next grocery store or at the university or at the next supermarket... Please help us to make others aware of this huge humanitarian effort that can change the world." would probably create good public awareness.

The project still created a good poster (the african girl "wearing" an XO laptop on her head). Make some more interesting posters, add always your internet adress "www.laptop.org" on this poster.

Another idea: offer the community some posters as a download, so that everone can print out the poster at home or at a professional copy shop. Ask the community for help to spread OLPC's vision around the world!

Green Hardware

Some Ideas from [http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003881.html Wo

Donation Idea

i was thinking, it would be a fun idea if people who are fortunate enough to be able to donate the cost of a laptop would have their name and email address stickered onto the bottom of a laptop


Stickers Idea

It seems like a classroom filled with identical laptops is an screaming invitation for personalization. In the tech industry, we are used to having a huge sticker resevoir generated by marketing departments of various companies vying for our attention. It is hard to imagine that children around the world already have a drawer full of miscellaneous stickers, so perhaps providing an assortment would be appreciated. Given that many companies would probably like to have their logos on stickers around the world, why not have them pay for the stickers and pay for priviledge of having the stickers delivered as part of the OLPC program. It would be interesting if such a sticker tax could further reduce the costs of the laptops. Of course the kids will use or not use what they want.

How to pronounce your name again?

We should give the children the opportunity to speak out loud and record their names, towns and countries, so that their friends from some other end of the world know how to pronounce it. Sure, you could read the name of someone else, but if it's written in Thai characters, you'll be lost anyway. Perhaps we could even implement some kind of audio tooltip, such that the name is played, when you hover over some friends' icon long enough.

NGO'S CAN BE A POWERFUL TOOL IN YOUR IMPLEMENTATION

Greetings, I have read what you have to say about NGO's and how they would slow down your progress at implementation but I do want you to consider the fact that it is possible for NGO's to receive funding for educational purposes from international foundations and organizations. Perhaps a NGO could aid with the funding requirement of, for the sake of argument, the teaching of the educators in the use of the new machines. Surely with such new technology, instruction for the teaching staff would be required...and then there is the matter of initial set up, another area where outside funds could be used. It seems to me that they are numerous areas that NGO's could step in and help with the program, we just need to know that our efforts would be supported by you and the governments concerned. Some smaller third world countries simply do not have the funds for education that your program may demand. I am affiliated with a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation that also holds a NGO in Belize. Our organization would be honored to help in your mission. Should you reconsider your position on NGO's, please keep us in mind. I feel sure that you can contact me by return email, as I do not wish to use your site for free advertisement. Your mission is noble and I respect your desire to educate the poor. JWB

Reserve some for charity auction

There are a number of charitable organizations which raise money via auctions. The XO-1 would be an ideal candidate for an auction item, because its low availability in the first world would amplify its auction price.

I am already planning to put my G1G1 laptop up for auction for my own organization, Chess for Success. They would be more than willing to purchase a few more for our auction in April. --IanOsgood 14:22, 17 February 2008 (EST)

A big network which is open for donor and NGO those want to donate laptop Joy of Giving Foundation

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