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== RfC: Help discuss our five core principles == |
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Child Ownership, Low Ages, Saturation, Connection, and Free and Open Source. |
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[[1. Child Ownership / The kids keep the laptops]] |
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[[2. Low Ages / Focus on early education]] |
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[[3. Saturation / No one gets left out]] |
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[[4. Connection / Connection to the internet]] |
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[[5. Free and Open Source / Free to grow and adapt]] |
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--[[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] 07:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== RfC: KENIF: the Mnemotechnic means to remember the 5 OLPC Core-Principles = KENIF == |
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The written text is different from the http://olpc.tv - video... I think every word is important, so please consensus and discussions on every line and word eventually + mnemotechnic way to remember it so we all go out with exact the same message. |
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1. Child Ownership / The kids keep the laptops |
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2. Low Ages / Focus on early education |
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3. Saturation / No one gets left out |
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4. Connection / Connection to the internet |
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5. Free and Open Source / Free to grow and adapt |
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Mnemotechnic means to remember: Kids Education No Internet Free = KENIF. |
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So this could be the name for a fictive character that the kids can talk to on their laptop and turn to for help. |
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More: [[Mnemotechnic means to remember OLPC Stuff]] |
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--[[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] 07:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== RfC: Child Ownership undermined by Government Ownership == |
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Most contracts are that the Governments pay and link this to the Ministry of Education owning them. This means e.g. that the CO2e-Certificates from the laptop and the Photo Voltaics are owned by the Gvt and the revenues from the sale don't go to the account of the kids, but the Gvt. Looking forward to your comments. --[[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] 07:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== What an incredible and noble project this is! I'd like to learn == how these tools will be prevented from becoming a tool of sexual predators (since they are all interconnected and owned by children) or appropriated and exploited by adults for their own gain. I wish such questions didn't need to be asked, but t's a corrupt world out there. |
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A response: The world is indeed a dangerous place for children, but "sexual predators" are the least of it. Much more damage is done to children by the commercial predators who convince children to eat junk food, convince their parents to give them dangerous drugs, create an excessive focus on materialism, and fill parents and children full of fears that prevent them from integrating themselves as equals in the human family. A tool which helps connect children with each other is an excellent defense against all these predators. |
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== reading required == |
== reading required == |
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==Is "Free and Open Source" still a core principle?== |
==Is "Free and Open Source" still a core principle?== |
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If it is, then what are we to make of reports in ComputerWorld that the group's XO laptop may evolve to use only Windows XP as its operating system, with open-source educational applications such as the homegrown Sugar software running on top |
If it is, then what are we to make of reports in ComputerWorld that the group's XO laptop may evolve to use only Windows XP as its operating system, with open-source educational applications such as the homegrown Sugar software running on top? |
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: It is, very much so. As for the quote, that shows that you can be quoted saying a lot of things that aren't quite right. We are getting closer to having Sugar run as an interface and application suite [[F11 for 1.5|on top of Fedora]], for what that's worth, but noone's tried such a thing on Windows. |
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: If anything, our successful experiences to date have strengthened our commitment to that principle. Windows has been independently developed to run on the XO. No deployments at scale have used Windows on an XO to date (perhaps 3000 machines in the world run Windows, compared to 1.2 million running only Sugar on Fedora.) |
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If it's no longer a core principle, then shouldn't this section be removed? [[User:68.163.107.22|68.163.107.22]] 17:20, 7 May 2008 (EDT) |
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: Please read the fifth principle closely (and check the history of the page, if you like) -- from the beginning, that core principle has been a commitment to letting children have access to a universe of both free and proprietary software. We have not made it difficult for Microsoft to develop its tools for the XO, nor have we done so for any other developer. Indeed, it is a compliment when a development house invests in developing for our hardware. So far, no major deployment has opted to use Windows. |
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: When some of our partners and potential partners expressed an interest in trying Windows, we put some work into making sure that this would be possible ''without replacing'' Sugar -- by making Open Firmware support dual booting into more than one operating system. That was so that we could still commit to giving every OLPC school access to Sugar on Linux, whether or not they bought a license for some other operating system as well. Again, despite the misleading news stories, none of these potential non-Sugar deployments has come to pass. We are still shipping 50,000 XOs a month running a completely free-software and free-content stack with Sugar on Fedora. --[[User:Sj|Sj]] [[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 09:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC) |
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It's clear that it's not a core principle. Does anyone even bother updating this wiki, or is this another casualty of the removal of this principle? [[User:24.84.218.221|24.84.218.221]] 00:44, 16 May 2008 (EDT) |
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:I'm guessing that doing deals to get "Saturation" (principle #3) has been given precedence over staying "Open Source" (principle #5). Very sad indeed. [[User:Pengo|pengo]] 06:14, 17 May 2008 (EDT) |
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== "I have good XO shoes for a long walk. " == |
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Isn't this stretching the metaphor a little too far? What does it even mean? [[User:Pengo|pengo]] 06:15, 17 May 2008 (EDT) |
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Latest revision as of 09:57, 8 December 2009
reading required
I have an (illiterate) 4yo and 2yo who each have an XO-1, and the laptop is not very interesting to them because of the level of reading required. More work needs to go into the UI if we really want to make it friendly to kids who have no reading. -D Risacher 2008-01-06
- We are targeting 6–16. 2–4 is a bit of a stretch for many of the activities. --Walter 08:21, 7 January 2008 (EST)
- Perhaps some of the GCompris activities would be more appropriate? (Screenshots here) —Joe 11:09, 7 January 2008 (EST)
Is "Free and Open Source" still a core principle?
If it is, then what are we to make of reports in ComputerWorld that the group's XO laptop may evolve to use only Windows XP as its operating system, with open-source educational applications such as the homegrown Sugar software running on top?
- It is, very much so. As for the quote, that shows that you can be quoted saying a lot of things that aren't quite right. We are getting closer to having Sugar run as an interface and application suite on top of Fedora, for what that's worth, but noone's tried such a thing on Windows.
- If anything, our successful experiences to date have strengthened our commitment to that principle. Windows has been independently developed to run on the XO. No deployments at scale have used Windows on an XO to date (perhaps 3000 machines in the world run Windows, compared to 1.2 million running only Sugar on Fedora.)
- Please read the fifth principle closely (and check the history of the page, if you like) -- from the beginning, that core principle has been a commitment to letting children have access to a universe of both free and proprietary software. We have not made it difficult for Microsoft to develop its tools for the XO, nor have we done so for any other developer. Indeed, it is a compliment when a development house invests in developing for our hardware. So far, no major deployment has opted to use Windows.
- When some of our partners and potential partners expressed an interest in trying Windows, we put some work into making sure that this would be possible without replacing Sugar -- by making Open Firmware support dual booting into more than one operating system. That was so that we could still commit to giving every OLPC school access to Sugar on Linux, whether or not they bought a license for some other operating system as well. Again, despite the misleading news stories, none of these potential non-Sugar deployments has come to pass. We are still shipping 50,000 XOs a month running a completely free-software and free-content stack with Sugar on Fedora. --Sj talk 09:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC)