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News

Sugar on solar power was recorded in the wild for the first time at 11:58 CST, April 23 2008 Yama showing off Sugar on solar and his Uruguayan mate. Second picture shows a test the day before, when the encouraging orange led came on just as the sun was about to set. . Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT) 'I will remove this after a couple days - of no technical importance'

Purpose/Scope

Test solar panel setups for the XO laptop

What is the minimum panel that will work?

expectation is charging time of no more than 3 hours.

a 120 mAh, 12 V nominal panel (advertised as 1.5 W) is enough to operate the XO, but so far appears as not enough to charge the battery Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

first XO running under solar, Apr 22 2008

notice the exciting orange glow in the first "in the wild" solar XO, April 22 2008

Does size/output of panel affect charging time?

Yes. It's all about amperes, apparently. An engineer mentioned a $600+ flexible roll-up solution, currently available over-the-counter, meant for laptops on the go.

Controller

A controller downstream from the panel avoids battery overflow, and possibly also frying the XO. More research is needed before I will try a huge panel. Anyway, for now we should be safe, the panel I am using outputs only 120 mA, precisely one tenth of what the XO OEM charger brick gives. The XO battery apparently has such a filter, and there is also something called an Embedded Controller which controls battery charge and some power functions. I need do more work in this department.

What happens when a battery is slowly charged by a puny panel all day, which then boosts XO battery recharge?

I was given today a 1.2 Ah Yuasa battery by Texas Solar Power Company owner Craig Overmiller to test that Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

such a small battery should be "safe", but otherwise I would have the same worry of shooting too many amps through. Tried it on, XO works. Now I will try to discharge it and then see what my panel can do. Simple theory is that it would take 10 hours to recharge (120 mAh, feeding a 1.2 Ah batt), that of course not counting any losses... Way too long. Need a larger panel for real life expectations. On the other hand, the XO runs just fine off the panel. Something is fishy here. We'll see.

Make available for sale XO Solar kits

The whole point of this is that this hardware be available for purchas over-the-counter. Many G1G1 donors would like to play around with alternative power sources like solar, but unfortunately production capacity of dedicated XO-designed alternative power sources has been reserved for deployment in the developing world where they are most needed, and no one has reported seeing any of them actually exist. There seem to be a couple commercial efforts happening, Product News, Solar Panels

The YamaPlos Real Time XO Solar Solution, that is the ready-to-use panel that allows you to work on an XO as long as you have it connected and there is reasonable sun (working just dandy right now in a cloudy day) will be available 2 days after I receive the plugs I ordered (if those are right :-)), for $ 24.80 to volunteer developers, plus shipping. $ 36.99 to muggles or eBay. To me, you're a volunteer OLPC developer if you have contributed to this or any OLPC wiki or News site and no one is paying you for it. I dunno if it is OK to put prices and such in this wiki - might be asked to remove that. We'll see. 100% of any profit will fund solar for developing countries. Will set up some visible accounting for that Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

It would be a Good Thing that the XO not need its current battery at all, as an option. Right now, if you pull out the battery it will not work at all when connected to the panel.

ETA for XO Solar is May 2008

That is for the full-fledged, battery charging system. Still waiting to come across a larger panel, that probably I will have to pay out of pocket...

Transfer knowledge & experience

Use a Libre stance as to sharing what we find so that everyone can go solar if they can access the necessary hardware, without needing to purchase directly from us or our partners.

You can make your own, and call it the Jerry Solar Solution if your name is Jerry, and even if it is not. I am getting my panels from Harbor Freight Tools, my plugs from Digikey.

Facilitate XO Solar stuff for needy projects

Yes Nepal, we hear you... :-)

This will depend, of course, on gathering funds to subsidize kits and shipping. A better accounted G1G1 has been proposed, in which developed world-purchasers would be able to purchase hardware in such a way that their purchase would make stuff available for needy projects.

Major Hurdles

XO

Since I was lent an XO that is solved for now. Applying for a developer XO so I can return this one. Wish me luck, it seems they're not giving them away that easy anymore.

Plug

The weird-beyond-all-understanding plug. Hope I can get some real ones soon for distribution of XO Solar, but it's a simple 20 minute hack for me to fashion one out of plastic straws and hot glue for testing.

got an email from Mike Lee a couple minutes ago with an offer for a sample of a real one. Great!

Will post on my home-made plug later. Not so important anymore.

Yesterday purchased 10 CP-014-ND Digikey plugs, I have been told these are the right ones.

There is a current ticket so hopefully this will no longer be a problem for Gen 2 XOs. Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Action

get solar panels

I've been running a 1.5 amp, 12 V one since February 2007...

get XO

got one for now

get solar energy advice

Met today with wonderful people of Texas Solar Power Company. Yamaplos 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

wire things together

done. It works!

tests log

Space reserved to report on what happens.

People

please sign in. Being in this list just might give you first dibs as XO Solar stuff starts to get distributed !

Yama Ploskonka contact for the project

buxtor would like to be on the XO Solar list!

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special thanks to

Anne Gentle from XO Austin, for trusting me with her B4 XO, even after I told her I could not guarantee it would not fry.
Graham Knight for good technical advice.
Mike Lee, for encouragement and helping me lose some of my noobishness in XO power issues, so that I could sound more like I knew what I was talking about, when corresponding with more expert people.
Craig Overmiller and the people of Texas Solar Power Company, for encouragement, expert advice, and a battery.
Richard Smith, EC, battery, and power guy for OLPC, for expert advice, encouragement and assorted words of wisdom. And a lead to the right Digikey part!
Wayan Vota of OLPC News and his never satisfied visitors :-), that just couldn't leave solar for XO as something that could wait some more, which eventually got me going.

Location

XO Solar is based in (right now partial cloudy) Austin, Texas

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+== News ==
+'''Sugar on solar power was recorded in the wild for the first time at 11:58 CST, April 23 2008'''
+Yama showing off Sugar on solar and his Uruguayan mate. Second picture shows a test the day before, when the encouraging orange led came on just as the sun was about to set. [[Image:yamamate.jpg]] [[Image:first.jpg]].
+[[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
+'I will remove this after a couple days - of no technical importance'
 == Purpose/Scope ==
 === Test solar panel setups for the XO laptop===
 * What is the minimum panel that will work?
 : expectation is charging time of no more than 3 hours.
+:: a 120 mAh, 12 V nominal panel (advertised as 1.5 W) is enough to operate the XO, but so far appears as not enough to charge the battery [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT) [[Image:1.5WsolarPanel.png|1.5 W solar panel]][[Image:success.png|first XO running under solar, Apr 22 2008]]
+::notice the exciting orange glow in the first "in the wild" solar XO, April 22 2008
 * Does size/output of panel affect charging time?
+: Yes.  It's all about amperes, apparently.  An engineer mentioned a $600+ flexible roll-up solution, currently available over-the-counter, meant for laptops on the go.
-: smells fishy.  If it were so, real risk of frying the system.  There must be a filter somewhere that will limit the juice flowing through.  If is is not built in the XO, it HAS to be built in the output of the panels system.  Until this is resolved by deities, I will be very careful about my amperage.
+* Controller
-:: does anyone know if the XO has such a filter built in? I believe I have seen such specs somewhere.  I'll check Hardware pages.
+A controller downstream from the panel avoids battery overflow, and possibly also frying the XO.  More research is needed before I will try a huge panel.  Anyway, for now we should be safe, the panel I am using outputs only 120 mA, precisely one tenth of what the XO OEM charger brick gives.  The XO battery apparently has such a filter, and there is also something called an Embedded Controller which controls battery charge and some power functions.  I need do more work in this department.
 * What happens when a battery is slowly charged by a puny panel all day, which then boosts XO battery recharge?
+: I was given today a 1.2 Ah Yuasa battery by [http://txspc.com Texas Solar Power Company] owner Craig Overmiller to test that [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
-: watch those amps!
+:: such a small battery should be "safe", but otherwise I would have the same worry of shooting too many amps through.  Tried it on, XO works.  Now I will try to discharge it and then see what my panel can do.  Simple theory is that it would take 10 hours to recharge (120 mAh, feeding a 1.2 Ah batt), that of course not counting any losses...  Way too long.  Need a larger panel for real life expectations.  On the other hand, the XO runs just fine off the panel.  Something is fishy here.  We'll see.
 === Make available for sale XO Solar kits ===
-The whole point of this is that this hardware can be purchased over-the-counter.  Many G1G1 donors would like to play around with alternative power sources like solar, but unfortunately production capacity of dedicated XO-designed alternative power sources has been reserved for deployment in the developing world where they are most needed.  There seem to be a couple commercial efforts happening, [[Product_News#Solar_Panels|Product News, Solar Panels]]
+The whole point of this is that this hardware be available for purchas over-the-counter.  Many G1G1 donors would like to play around with alternative power sources like solar, but unfortunately production capacity of dedicated XO-designed alternative power sources has been reserved for deployment in the developing world where they are most needed, and no one has reported seeing any of them actually exist.  There seem to be a couple commercial efforts happening, [[Product_News#Solar_Panels|Product News, Solar Panels]]
+: The YamaPlos Real Time XO Solar Solution, that is the ready-to-use panel that allows you to work on an XO as long as you have it connected and there is reasonable sun (working just dandy right now in a cloudy day) will be available 2 days after I receive the plugs I ordered (if those are right :-)), for $ 24.80 to volunteer developers, plus shipping. $ 36.99 to muggles or eBay.  To me, you're a volunteer OLPC developer if you have contributed to this or any OLPC wiki or News site and no one is paying you for it. I dunno if it is OK to put prices and such in this wiki - might be asked to remove that.  We'll see.  100% of any profit will fund solar for developing countries.  Will set up some visible accounting for that  [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
+:: It would be a Good Thing that the XO not need its current battery at all, as an option.  Right now, if you pull out the battery it will not work at all when connected to the panel.
 * ETA for XO Solar is May 2008
+: That is for the full-fledged, battery charging system.  Still waiting to come across a larger panel, that probably I will have to pay out of pocket...
 === Transfer knowledge & experience ===
 Use a Libre stance as to sharing what we find so that everyone can go solar if they can access the necessary hardware, without needing to purchase directly from us or our partners.
+: You can make your own, and call it the Jerry Solar Solution if your name is Jerry, and even if it is not.  I am getting my panels from [http://www.harborfreightusa.com Harbor Freight Tools], my plugs from Digikey.
 === Facilitate XO Solar stuff for needy projects ===
 Yes Nepal, we hear you...  :-)
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 * '''Plug'''
 :The weird-beyond-all-understanding plug.  Hope I can get some real ones soon for distribution of XO Solar, but it's a simple 20 minute hack for me to fashion one out of plastic straws and hot glue for testing.
-::got an email from Mike Lee a couple minutes ago with an offer for a sample of a real one.  Great! [[User:70.124.61.211|70.124.61.211]] 18:49, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
+::got an email from Mike Lee a couple minutes ago with an offer for a sample of a real one.  Great!
+::: Will post on my home-made plug later.  Not so important anymore.
+:::: Yesterday purchased 10 [http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=CP-014-ND   CP-014-ND Digikey plugs], I have been told these are the right ones.
+::::: There is a [http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6923 current ticket] so hopefully this will no longer be a problem for Gen 2 XOs. [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 == Action ==
 * get solar panels
-: I've been running a 1.5 amp, 12 V one since February 2007...''
+: I've been running a 1.5 amp, 12 V one since February 2007...
 * get XO
+: got one for now
-: got one for now, thanks to [[User:Annegentle|Anne Gentle]] from [[Xo-austin|XO Austin]]
 * get solar energy advice
-: In the works.  Met with wonderful people of a local company here, will report back as things progress.
+: Met today with wonderful people of [http://txspc.com  Texas Solar Power Company]. [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 15:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
 * wire things together
+: done.  It works!
-:maybe later today.  Right now I have the XO discharging [[User:Yamaplos|Yamaplos]] 11:49, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
 === tests log ===
 Space reserved to report on what happens.
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 [[User:UserNameHere|RealName Here]] Click on edit to enter your information here
+=== special thanks to ===
+* [[User:Annegentle|Anne Gentle]] from [[Xo-austin|XO Austin]], for trusting me with her B4 XO, even after I told her I could not guarantee it would not fry.
+* [http://biodesign.webeden.co.uk Graham Knight] for good technical advice.
+* Mike Lee, for encouragement and helping me lose some of my noobishness in XO power issues, so that I could sound more like I knew what I was talking about, when corresponding with more expert people.
+* Craig Overmiller and the people of [http://txspc.com Texas Solar Power Company], for encouragement, expert advice, and a battery.
+* Richard Smith, EC, battery, and power guy for [http://laptop.org OLPC], for expert advice, encouragement and assorted words of wisdom.  And a lead to the right Digikey part!
+* Wayan Vota  of [http://www.OLPCnews.com OLPC News] and his never satisfied visitors :-), that just couldn't leave solar for XO as something that could wait some more, which eventually got me going.
 == Location ==
-XO Solar is based in (right now) sunny Austin, Texas
+XO Solar is based in (right now partial cloudy) Austin, Texas