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Becoming a bankrupt, Is It A Way Out
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Negotiations with creditors have failed. Repossession will be imminent and foreclosure proceedings have begun. Your income is merely not sufficient to pay your bills, regardless of how low the payments are. It may well be time to consider a bankruptcy proceeding.

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Personal law advanced because a reaction to the abuses surrounding debtors prison. Before the nineteenth century a prison system existed for individuals who didn'big t pay their bills. In case your merchant filed a claim, the debtor has been incarcerated till his financial obligations were paid. (Women were not seen in debtor'utes prison, not because of chivalry but because they did riot have the ability to be lent). The lender were legally liable for the expenses with the prison stay, including meals, but seldom paid. After all, a debtor would have to sue so as to enforce it law, and it was actually fairly difficult to sue when in prison. Since a result, many individuals languished in prison for decades, surviving on what their family could grab to them or, in many cases, basically starving to death. However some lenders would doubtless not object to the renewal of debtor's prison, fortunately we reside in more enlightened times. Personal were created to provide a second opportunity (or third, or fourth) to people hopelessly in debt It provides a system to wipe the slate clean and begin anew. When times have modified, though, so gets the becoming a bankrupt program code. Not all debts could be wiped out. The proceedings can be effortlessly disqualified in the event of improper processes. There are many things a debtor should realize before resorting to personal.
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The Personal bankruptcy Decision
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There are two types of individual a bankruptcy proceeding: Chapter 7 and Chapter 13. Chapter 7 becoming a bankrupt, named for the chapter number in the personal code, requires an entire liquidation of almost all debts and cancels all no-exempt financial obligations. Chapter 13 bankruptcy is actually essentially a court-mandated payment package that sets up low-cost monthly payments to your creditors,

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The selection to declare bankruptcy is not an easy a single. Regrettably, many individual bankruptcy attorneys recommend a bankruptcy proceeding to just about anyone these people consult with. Most as well often frightened viewers are advised to declare a bankruptcy proceeding just to steer clear of a number of financial obligations. This is a mistake. Personal should truly be considered a last location when the legal system meant it to always be. A personal seems on your credit rating for five decades, and even though lending criteria are little by little changing, many lenders won't even consider a helpful applicant who offers had a a bankruptcy proceeding. What's a lot more, a Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy can be priced at a lot of your property. Before building a choice to declare individual bankruptcy, estimate just how harmful your situation really is actually. On a piece of papers, make a set of every single one your assets and the approximate value that they could end up being sold for. On the other side, accumulate all your financial obligations. If the bad debts exceed the assets by a large percentage, you may wish to consider individual bankruptcy. On the other hands, if it seems how much your situation may improve (you may get a new job or a second income), or if your assets are of greater value or close in value to your financial obligations, a different approach may be appropriate.

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Navigate with your creditors
#2 GeneralCompute - Cambridge, UK
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Explain your situation and check for more time to pay. If the creditors refuse and continue to threaten garnishment tell them such motion would force you into bankruptcy. No creditor desires to hear the "B" word. Using becoming a bankrupt because a danger will be a very powerful negotiating application, confronting creditors with a choice between getting a little each and every month or almost certainly taking nothing through bankruptcy. Don't try this unique tactic on guaranteed creditors. That they may arrange to repossess your property to prevent having to go through court.


Contact Public Credit rating Counseling
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When mentioned earlier in the book, Customer Credit score Counseling is truly a non-profit group funded by creditors to help consumers navigate repayment plans. It is actually often able to make a deal payment arrangements better than the individual because of its own constant contact with a variety of creditors. If you can'n work out a satisfactory arrangement, provide these people a try. Remember, the proven fact that you are using credit rating counseling may appear on your credit rating record.
<CanoeBerry> Contributors Program Meeting starting in just a couple min!
<yamaplos> Hi!
Consider Chapter 13 personal
<CanoeBerry> Hi!
<CanoeBerry> How r u?
This unique kind of filing permits you to repay your financial obligations in a court-mandated fashion and will appear on your credit rating record for only seven years, If negotiations fail or there mainly isn't adequate money to make ends meet Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy may always be your only option. Becoming a bankrupt really doesn't necessarily discharge most bad debts. If your debts are exempt from a bankruptcy proceeding, filing will perform little or no to improve your situation. If your co-signer were used, the debt would then become owed by the co-signer, unless that individual furthermore announced bankruptcy. In community property states a spouse'utes assets and bad debts would even be included in the a bankruptcy proceeding, assuming these are community property. Consider almost all very carefully before deciding to report.
<yamaplos> great,
<yamaplos> 10 salvaged just arrived!
Non-Dischargable Debts - Bills You Have To Pay In Spite Of Becoming a bankrupt
<yamaplos> how r u?
<dogi> :)
Specific sort of debt may not be automatically eliminated by personal bankruptcy filing. They must meet certain requirements before being eradicated by a bankruptcy proceeding. If most of your bad debts are non-dischargeable, personal may not resolve your economic dilemma. The sole ways a non-dischargeable debt may be removed through individual bankruptcy are through the exception being gave of the court, a particular period of energy transpiring while the debt ended up being due, or because the creditor really doesn't object to the discharging of the debt. Certain debts can only end up being discharged by a great exception. They are:
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<CanoeBerry> yamaplos: have you posted to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Repair_center_locations yet to get rich?
Recent College student loans
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<CanoeBerry> Best Buy & others charge _many_ hundreds of dollars to repair laptops!
This can be applied to student loans that became due within the last five a long time. Any extension of repayment would end up being added to this time frame. Some courts, furthermore, will still only discharge payments that tend to be than five decades delinquent. So if the student loan had been due seven a long time ago and the payments were initially to be made over a five-year period, you would still become dependable for the last three decades of payments. The court may furthermore grant a very exception to some student loan if it would produce an "undue hardship" for you to pay it. This is definitely don't given.
<yamaplos> I will have to!
<CanoeBerry> remember that one outfit that charges almost $1000 to visit your house & "reflash" Windows?
Taxes
<yamaplos> their main biznai is to reflash virus infected Micosot machines, though...
<CanoeBerry> Strange but very true..
Federal, condition, and nearby taxes are not dischargeable for at least three a long time after you file your duty come back. Even if you've been tied up in duty court for greater than three numerous years, any duty assessed within 240 days of filing for personal bankruptcy is truly non-dischargeable. Property taxes are dischargeable when they are over one particular year late, but the lien in opposition to your property is not. The lower okay will be that you simply can count on the federal government amassing the duty money eventually.
<yamaplos> that's the way of the Beast...
<CanoeBerry> So let me just preview our "3 projects to review" agenda before we get started:
Child Support and alimony
<CanoeBerry> 1. Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37292
These can only become discharged in special circumstances, which generally include agreements that have not been court-ordered. If 1 partner has decided to assume a lot more than 50 % of marital bad debts in exchange for lower help payments, the court may not discharge just about all financial obligations held through the girlfriend for bankruptcy. Check with an attorney if this particular situation is applicable.
<CanoeBerry> 2. [GeneralCompute] Project Proposal - Request for platform. [Cambridge, UK]
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
Fines
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/GeneralCompute
<CanoeBerry> 3. Apache Proxy CRCsync Project and Finger-painting Interface - USA, Belgium
Neither fines coming from a court, judge, or federal government agency nor surcharges, penalties, and restitution, because a general rule, may be discharged in a bankruptcy. The same is actually correct of debts incurred while a result of damage or liability from driving while intoxicated. The debt incurred from intoxicated driving must be established in court plus a judgment should be issued by a higher court. Smaller-boasts, traffic, and municipal judgments for intoxicated driving are just about all dischargeable. Again, consult a helpful law firm.
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37801
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apache_Proxy_CRCsync
Bad debts not discharged in a previous personal bankruptcy
<CanoeBerry> Check these links out while we get rolling here..
<yamaplos> thank you for sending the links before the meeting, I did my homework :-)
If debts coming from a previous bankruptcy have been found non-dischargeable, they will cannot be discharged in a later bankruptcy.
<CanoeBerry> Before we get started however, general questions about Contributors Projects, Libraries, etc?
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Bad debts not outlined on your a bankruptcy proceeding petition
<CanoeBerry> New libraries emerging in: AUSTIN TX, WASHINGTON DC, LONDON UK, etc..
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries
If you are unable to include a debt on your petition, it won't be discharged. Many people filing becoming a bankrupt preserve one or a lot more credit rating lines with small balances or no balance out in the a bankruptcy proceeding proceeding to preserve portion of their credit score resources. Another method should be to reaffirm debts on the condition that credit carries on to be offered. The creditor, confronted with a choice between getting nothing and maintaining your credit score, will sometimes opt for the latter. Become very careful when reaffirming debt. You're not obligated to so you needs to have a brand new written authority spelling out every one of this new conditions.
<CanoeBerry> Anybody that wants to start their own project/laptop lending library, speak up!
<CanoeBerry> We want to cross-fertilize so all "librarians" benefit each others communities.
Other sorts of non-dischargeable debts might be discharged immediately if the creditor is not going to object If the creditor objects, these financial obligations are going to be judged by the court to become possibly dischargeable or non-dischargeable. The creditor can check that the bad debts not become discharged when they claim the following conditions existed:
<CanoeBerry> DC looks like they will focus on the "3-state" area, but will also do mail
order if credentials seem solid.
The debt had been acquired by Intentionally fraudulent behavior
<CanoeBerry> Every library sets its own policies..
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Fraud in it case will be any dishonest work used to obtain credit score. Declaring to be a person you are not, or borrowing money when you have no means or intention of repaying it, would become clear-cut illustrations of fraud. Not disclosing specific relevant facts could additionally be construed since fraud. If you make a promise and intend to carry on it and believe you will end up able to maintain it, that is actually not fraud. Creditors tend to always be paranoid and believe everyone is actually defrauding them, so this unique excuse for non-discharge will be often employed by creditor'ersus attorneys.
<carldani> hi
<CanoeBerry> Hi! Plz introduce yourself if poss.
Financial obligations Incurred while a Result of False Written Statements
<CanoeBerry> Finally, our 28 shipments of parts (261 laptops & 219 chargers) have almost all gone out this week -- 19 to the USA, and 9 to other countries.
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A blatantly false credit rating program would qualify. The inaccurate statement has to be a helpful important fact the other that the creditor relied on as a way for the debt to always be judged non-dischargeable. A misspelled name or minor error would not render a debt non-dischargeable. Drastically overstating income or misrepresent a job title would be considered fraudulent.
<CanoeBerry> Hi L from MN
<Lutorius> greetings!
Fraudulent usage
* yamaplos is here, from Austin, TX, celebrating the start of the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Austin_XO_Repair_Center
<CanoeBerry> We're almost ready to review the 3 projects, all votes appreciated if you had a chance to look over RT37292, RT37443, RT37801
If you charge "luxury goods or services" in a good amount over $five hundred within 40 days and nights before filing personal bankruptcy, the debt is actually most likely to always be deemed non-dischargeable. The same will be true if funds advances are obtained fewer than twenty days and nights before announcing personal. A large amount of simple charges, made to steer clear of pre-clearance, would additionally be considered fraudulent if you were over your credit rating limit or obviously unable to pay.
<yamaplos> OK, let's!
<Lutorius> i'd be willing to start one or assist if one exists already a repair center in MN
Debts resulting coming from illegal or malicious works, embezzlement, larceny, or breach of fiduciary Duty
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<carldani> I'm Carl-Daniel Hailfinger, was part of the effort to port LinuxBIOS (now called coreboot) to the early OLPC prototype to replace the proprietary BIOS
Any money owed because of against the law assists these kinds of while embezzlement (swallowing property left in your own safekeeping), larceny (theft), or the losing to fulfill your duties as a trustee could be non-dischargeable. The court will typically de a outline of fiduciary obligation.
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<CanoeBerry> No repair center in MN yet: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Repair_center_locations
Once you've examined your bad debts and determined what is truly dischargeable and what is not, you can determine whether or not individual bankruptcy would enhance your current monetary situation. There are numerous other things you need to understand before you decide regardless of whether to report.
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<CanoeBerry> carldani: great, are you a part of Project #1 we are about to review?
Exempt Assets
<carldani> and I got a mail that you will be discussing coreboot a bit in this meeting, so I thought I'd be here and answer any questions about coreboot
<CanoeBerry> "Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]"
A frequent misconception about bankruptcy will be which you lose everything you individual to satisfy your bad debts. In fact, the court lets one particular retain many things necessary to your well being, and perhaps even a little bit far more. Despite the fact that there is truly a federal exemption law, only in states and the District of Columbia allow that you use it These states let you decide on between the state and federal exemption regulations. The in states are:


Connecticut
[ PROJECT #1 : Coreboot and OLPC - North Carolina, USA ]

Hawaii
<CanoeBerry> Perfect, let's begin.
<CanoeBerry> 1. Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]
Massachusetts
<CanoeBerry> <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37292
<carldani> CanoeBerry: I have to admit I don't know about that project yet, but give me a few seconds to read up
Michigan
<CanoeBerry> Project Objective: "Investigate Coreboot firmware looking from the angle of debuggability; particularly related to standby/resume, or other challenges."
<CanoeBerry> "Plan and Procedure for Achieving the Stated Objectives: With laptop and source code in hand, and also the processor documentation, determine through study and reflection what possible improvements can be made for enhanced debuggability. Starting with the premise that standard commercial laptops are not debuggable; answer the question 'how to guarantee that XO laptops are debuggable.'"
Minnesota
<carldani> CanoeBerry: thanks for the quick introduction
<yamaplos> I am curious in an ignorant kind of way, but being it that the project has Richard's opinion and a mentor, I say +1, just define clearly timeframe for return of machine
New Jersey
<CanoeBerry> Reinder in The Netherlands has agreed to help mentor this project, since he too is doing extremely similar work.
<CanoeBerry> Applicant requests 1 laptop but failed to specify # of months.
Fresh Mexico
<Culseg> coreboot seems worthy, especially since few requests are are firmware level work
<CanoeBerry> +1
Pennsylvania
<CanoeBerry> Applicant's personal site is: http://home.rr.com/mitchelltramper
<carldani> To be honest, A-Test and B1+B2 were the last variants of OLPC which had coreboot
Rhode Island
<CanoeBerry> carldani: can you explain more?
<carldani> the code is definitely easier to work with nowadays
Texas
<CanoeBerry> smithbone endorses this CP laptop shipment..
<carldani> A,B1,B2 were Geode GX
Washington
<carldani> B3,C and MP are Geode LX
<CanoeBerry> (smithbone = our battery / OFW guy..)
Wisconsin
<yamaplos> even if he explains, I'm not sure I'd be able to understand :-) , but yes, I agree that firmware work is special
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Vermont
<CanoeBerry> carldani: can you help mentor this project?
<CanoeBerry> Just a suggestion.
The other states require a person declaring bankruptcy to use express exemptions.
<carldani> CanoeBerry: let me look at the applicant's site
<CanoeBerry> Let me know while we move on to Project #2, as we seem to have consensus for approval.
Below are a few samples of things that might be exempt, depending on state where the petition will be filed.
<CanoeBerry> carldani: his site is lacking so far.
<CanoeBerry> mentoring should help :)
· Personal outcomes
<Caryl> Hi sorry I'm late. Workmen are installing a new el-cheapo counter top in the kitchen of our maountain rental house
<CanoeBerry> Let's move on to #2 now.
· Furniture
<CanoeBerry> Hi CB!
<carldani> CanoeBerry: hm. I don't have flash installed, so his site comes up empty anyway
· Cars (up to a certain amount of equity)
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<CanoeBerry> carldani: can i help you arrange access to our community support ticketing system after this call?
· Tools of your trade
<CanoeBerry> That will help mentoring if you can. Buzz me later if so:
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· Equity m a residence (sometimes the entire residence)
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang

· Clothes

[ PROJECT #2 : GeneralCompute - Cambridge, UK ]
· Household goods

<CanoeBerry> now let's move forward to #2 project.
· Guides
<yamaplos> I am concerned #2 indicates "This project will not directly help the end user. It will help
<yamaplos> the middleware and application programmers. The APIs provided will be
· Jewelry
<yamaplos> C/C++. But a Python binding is possible."
<CanoeBerry> 2. [GeneralCompute] Project Proposal - Request for platform. [Cambridge, UK]
A single very interesting exemption may be the homestead exemption. When Sara Connally, the former governor of Texas, declared bankruptcy a several years ago, many people were surprised that he were authorized to maintain his huge mansion, valued at several million dollars. Texas has a homestead exemption that allows any individual petitioning bankruptcy to carry on equal to a single acre in the urban area or 100 acres in a rural area, regardless of value. The ex-governor may have had a very good law firm, but many other states even offer homestead exemptions.
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/GeneralCompute
One particular personal method is always to sell non-exempt property before becoming a bankrupt and convert it into exempt property. For instance, a Texas resident might sell non-exempt assets and use the proceeds to pay off the house mortgage on her homesteaded property. You would almost certainly want to seek advice from a very lawyer before attempting this particular kind of transfer of assets, even so, considering that the court could very easily view this kind of actions staying an abuse with the becoming a bankrupt protocols.
<yamaplos> I do not know if developing stuff in C/C++ is something thatw e use at all,
but it may be just my ignorance
Even if your selected amount of equity is truly exempt, your creditors can often sell the property to retrieve any excess equity you may have. If you possess an auto worth $10,000, for example, and you only owe $5,000 on it and your state exemption is actually $1,200, the creditor can sell the car and provide you $1,200. Some states allow 'Wildcard" exemptions that can be used to cover the difference.
<CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: (long, beware!)
<CanoeBerry> Most computing device in the market have more that one
Knowing which financial obligations are dischargeable and what the law allows a petitioner to keep, a rational decision might be made regardless of whether to report for bankruptcy. If you carry out choose to record, there are many ways of going about it-along with several pitfalls to stay away from.
<CanoeBerry> processor i.e. CPU, GPU (programmable/non-programmable), DSP etc.
<CanoeBerry> These processors are supplied by different or same vendor. But to take
Swallowing Activity
<CanoeBerry> advantage of these processors, vendors usually supply different set of
<CanoeBerry> APIs for each of these processors. There is a publicly available open
When you've decided to take measure you can begin the filing course of action. If creditors are knocking on the door and repossession, foreclosure, or garnishment is just surrounding the comer, it might be wise to consider using the unexpected emergency filing to obtain a great automatic stay. A helpful automatic stay puts a stop to creditors from using any further motion till the case goes before a a bankruptcy proceeding judge. Unlike a becoming a bankrupt filing, which usually consists several pages of information a very crisis filing is truly only one particular page longer and contains a listing of your creditors. The remainder of the petition should be filed within fourteen days and nights or the case is dropped. The court will send notices with the pending a bankruptcy proceeding to the creditors shown, who must cease almost all further collection action. Should they carry out not cease, send them copies with the automatic stay and request that most further collection motion cease. A creditor can make sure you ask that the automatic stay become lifted, allowing him to continue series measure. Only a landlord striving to evict you coming from a rented dwelling will normally prevail, unless there is a extended-term lease involved. If you are renting on a prolonged-term lease, which could become considered a great tool, the landlord may have to wait for a conventional @g as a way to evict YOU.
<CanoeBerry> standard that defines a common API to take advantage of these
<CanoeBerry> heterogenous computing devices. The OLPC laptop already has a GPU.
Once the wolves are at bay, another choice will need to be made: no matter if to pay a individual bankruptcy legal professional. Attorneys, since we all realize, are expensive. In the case of a complicated personal bankruptcy, even so, they could be invaluable. If you have a significant bit of property or valuables, if you are trying to move money coming from non-exempt to exempt assets, if your creditors try to make your bad debts non-dischargeable because of fraud, or if there are every other complications, you may wish to retain the services of an experienced a bankruptcy proceeding law firm. Purchase in and around. Don'big t be too self-conscious to make a deal. Ask a big queries and talk to several attorneys before you create your choice.
<CanoeBerry> Hence it already is hosting atleast two computing devices. It will be
<CanoeBerry> beneficial to support a "General Compute" API for the developers who
If you have a very simple individual bankruptcy or can't manage a very law firm, invest $15 in a good carry out-it-yourself individual bankruptcy book. It will give in-depth information not covered in it chapter. Typing services am often available to type upwards bankruptcy forms. These are reasonably priced and, in the case of a very simple individual bankruptcy, can take the place of an law firm. If your case will be complicated and you can'testosterone find the money for the lawyer, carry out your individual research. Read a user a bankruptcy proceeding manual first and after which talk to a good legal library. There are several legal guides devoted strictly to individual bankruptcy. Once you or your legal professional have set up your case, you're ready for formal the job.
<CanoeBerry> can then take advantage of these devices in a uniform manner. This
<CanoeBerry> proposal will benefit the programmers who develop middleware or
The Filing Course of action
<CanoeBerry> applications.
<CanoeBerry> Applicant requests 1 XO Laptop for 8-10 months.
Almost all the right papers can be obtained through a reliable personal bankruptcy court. Confer with the yellow pages under Federal government Services (normally in the start from the book) with an address and phone number. The court permits you fourteen days through the date of a very unexpected emergency filing to complete the formal course of action. If Chapter 7 individual bankruptcy will be being filed, you will need to send in the following forms after you have obtained them coming from the court:
<yamaplos> do we have someone who understands the technical parts of the proposal and can comment on whether this makes sense?
<Culseg> this API work is like a tool set that might be useful for developers ....which down the line may help end users...motivation and access count, I say go ahead
· Statement of Economic Affairs.
<yamaplos> Otherwise I'd point the applicant to the UK lending library
<CanoeBerry> Applicant has a sense of humor at least: "I believe that fragrance
· Book of Current Income and Current Expenditures.
<CanoeBerry> automatically reaches everywhere, it does not require marketing :)"
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· A book explaining your financial obligations.
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<yamaplos> Culseg: it's in C/C++, we do python
· A plan talking about your property.
<tsylla> #2 doesn't really make sense. The LX GPU is not really suited for "GPGPU" stuff
<Caryl> The technology for this one is beyond me. But if he will commit to passing it on to the UK lending library when he is finished, I vote +1
· A schedule listing exempt property.
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<yamaplos> apllicant needs mentor
· A conclusion from the above schedules.
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<yamaplos> speaking of which, the project I volunteered to mentor las week has not responded any email
· Statement of Intention in consider to your guaranteed property and what you intend to do with it
<CanoeBerry> Applicant has a beautiful timeline -- credit where credit is due.
<CanoeBerry> But is it clear how much work he did with his B4 hardware to date?
· Statement of Executory Contracts describing contract that will must be fulfilled, these kinds of while auto leases.
<CanoeBerry> yamaplos: send a reminder email if poss?
<yamaplos> OK
· A bankruptcy proceeding Petition write about sheet.
<CanoeBerry> Culseg or others: can we get an informal mentor here for #2?
<CanoeBerry> The proposal is very thorough, but needs some thought.
· Mailing addresses of all creditors.
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
<yamaplos> someone who knows what an API is and what it eats...
· Any required nearby forms.
<CanoeBerry> Let's move onto #3 meantime, OK?
<Culseg> the B4 question is on target, I favor responding, I already am admin cc on ticket and would prefer a coding developer to ask a question to this developer
A fee will even be assessed, normally $90, due at the time of filing. The court will typically accept installments of the 5-month period. A good request for installments must accompany the petition.
<yamaplos> Culseg: could you follow up, please?
<Caryl> I see mr Sandy likes this project. Maybe he would agree to mentor?
After your petition is truly filed, a achieving in the creditors will probably be set up. The court appoints a trustee to preside over the achieving and to become to blame for the liquidation of assets. With most smaller bankruptcies, only the man or woman filing and the trustee will go to. The trustee, who is usually a community lawyer, will check several queries about the details on the becoming a bankrupt documents. Call up and ask the court clerk what papers you will need to bring (normally financial statements or at times even tax returns). In case a lot of property will be involved, incredibly if it will be nonexempt, property, your creditors may make an appearance to protest any exemptions. That they may in addition attempt to grill you about your intent to pay the bill or about resting on your request. Answer in truth and there shouldn'capital t be described as a problem.
<CanoeBerry> Culseg: ask around on #osg for coding help?
<CanoeBerry> Co-mentoring ideally.
If the creditors' attorneys end up being abusive, demand a hearing before the individual bankruptcy judge before the proceeding should go any further. If the creditors object to any of your exemptions, these people have 30 times after the creditor's gathering to file a very objection with the court. The court will routine a hearing and you will probably always be granted the possiblity to respond, although you don'big t have to. A creditor may often try to claim a debt when non-dischargeable because of fraudulent shows, a @ or malicious act, or embezzlement or theft. He can only accomplish it if he successfully increases the objection within sixty days in the creditors' visiting. To defend yourself, you or your legal professional will have to document a written response and be prepared to argue your case in court.


Once every single one the requirements have been met and your intentions have been made clear, the court can declare the individual bankruptcy discharged. No conventional hearing will probably be held unless you have chosen to reaffirm your financial troubles in which case the judge will want to end up being sure which you determine what you are doing. After this time, provided the creditors perform not raise any objections, the dischargeable bad debts are erased.
[ PROJECT #3 : Apache Proxy CRCsync Project w/ Moodle and Finger-painting Interface - Virginia, USA & Belgium ]

Position Upwards The Pieces
<CanoeBerry> Let's move onto #3 now.
<CanoeBerry> 3. Apache Proxy CRCsync Project and Finger-painting Interface - USA, Belgium
Personal had been once the lowest disgrace that could befall an individual. Today, anyhow, it is truly commonplace. Corporations declare becoming a bankrupt to get out of contracts or prevent legal judgments. Individuals depend upon on it to protect them from a society that extends credit score too quickly.
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37801
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apache_Proxy_CRCsync
Becoming a bankrupt does not always mean that you just will automatically end up being denied all credit score for 10 decades. In fact, many firms look at personal like a responsible way of discharging debts when there is no other way out. Creditors fear personal bankruptcy, nevertheless they also realize that if they lend to someone who has expressed personal, they want not worry about another personal bankruptcy for seven much more quite a few years (you can only document once each and every seven years). If you happen to have a good explanation for the bankruptcy, this kind of as medical bills, separation and divorce, or some other catastrophic event, a creditor may be willing to overlook it and extend credit score. Question potential creditors about their policy toward bankruptcies. Their responses may become astonishing.
<CanoeBerry> http://moodle.org
<CanoeBerry> http://swift.com
Darryl Power over 3 years in online marketing, 1 year in Pay-Per-Click advertising and 7 quite a few years of business supervision.
<CanoeBerry> Applicants request 5 XO Laptops for 6 months.
<CanoeBerry> Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry> FingerPaint Project
<CanoeBerry> 1. Integrating a chosen paint application with TinyMCE editor as a plug-in.
<CanoeBerry> 2. Profiling of the software stack that is used by the fingerpaint
<CanoeBerry> application so that the performance can be improved:
<CanoeBerry> RProxy Project
<CanoeBerry> 1. Performance testing of RProxy modules .(Stability testing, surf the
<CanoeBerry> internet through the proxy to collect compression rate statistics in
<CanoeBerry> the logs from real-live usage in stead of artificial test scenario's, etc)
<CanoeBerry> 2. Development and testing of required Plugins for XO School server to
<CanoeBerry> integrate PaintWEB and RProxy module in the latest version of XO Engine.
<yamaplos> Another one I don't understand.... which I guess is good in the sense that there is people going beyond where I've been....
<yamaplos> nice tight schedule
<yamaplos> VA, too, so they can connect with DC when they are done, and/or during development
<Caryl> Sounds like they will be working on an identified need
<CanoeBerry> Martin Langhoff's support looks good.
<CanoeBerry> Or perhaps I'm assuming -- but at least he is mentioned many times in the proposal.
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<Culseg> as long as one can't point a finger at swift for bringing down the finance system, I say it is a great, hands-on project!
<CanoeBerry> Why 5 laptops?
<yamaplos> at least they did it using the best of digital technology
<Caryl> 5 programmers
<yamaplos> Why can't this project be done in emulation using non-XO machines?
<yamaplos> For the performance testing, we need to do these tests on actual configuration as emulation will not show the actual results.
<Caryl> They need the XO trackpad, I guess
<yamaplos> they probably don't need to do the performance testing all the time...
<Caryl> Do they want to borrow some preschool kids too?
<CanoeBerry> :)
<CanoeBerry> They have 7 people involved, who've all been emailed, which is important..
<mafe> sometimes some devs they need the performance testing ...like they do synchronize testing
<Culseg> this project builds in collaboration, a plus
<yamaplos> Looks well organized, and a clear schedule, if we could get the DC people to connect so they receive the machines in 6 months, I'd say this is a go
<CanoeBerry> Who can mentor?
<yamaplos> I hope Martin will
<CanoeBerry> co-mentor?
<yamaplos> seems to be part of the planning
<CanoeBerry> I will if nobody else, ok?
<yamaplos> please
<CanoeBerry> OK.
<CanoeBerry> Now what should I suggest to them around 5 laptops vs. emulation?
<yamaplos> they are proposing to have 2 teams, one in US, another in BE
<yamaplos> we already agree pairs is good, so 4 machines, maybe?
<Culseg> suggest they do emulation alongside the XOs and report results
<Caryl> ooooo good idea
<yamaplos> +
<yamaplos> +1
<yamaplos> that would be an additional valuable result
<CanoeBerry> ++
<CanoeBerry> Are we done early this week?!!
<yamaplos> looks like it
<Caryl> yea!


[ QUESTIONS for OLPC? ]

<CanoeBerry> Final Questions for OLPC?
<yamaplos> happy Peisaj and Easter
<yamaplos> is OLPCorps announcing today? :-)
<Caryl> ok gotta run. Happy everything!
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<CanoeBerry> All OLPCorps teams should receive an email today.
<yamaplos> good!
<msuolpc> Thanks for the note =) we're watching our inboxes with anticipation!
<CanoeBerry> There may be certain finalization in the coming days, but this email should make very clear which teams are finalists and which are not.
<CanoeBerry> Other questions for OLPC?
<CanoeBerry> If not, see you next week, same time/same place!
<yamaplos> k!
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<CanoeBerry> Bye!
<illadelph> bye.
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<mafe> bye

Latest revision as of 18:49, 27 June 2012

[ AGENDA ]

   * New Libraries Emerging!  How you too can help start an XO Laptop library:
     http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries

   * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring?!
     http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects

   * Questions about free Hardware/Parts Returns just shipped: (DEADLINE PASSED!)
     http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/023916.html

   * Fast Review of the latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals:

     #1 Coreboot and OLPC - North Carolina, USA
     #2 GeneralCompute - Cambridge, UK
     #3 Apache Proxy CRCsync Project w/ Moodle and Finger-painting Interface - Virginia, USA & Belgium


[ PERSONAL INTROS, NEWS ]

<CanoeBerry> Contributors Program Meeting starting in just a couple min!
<yamaplos> Hi!
<CanoeBerry> Hi!
<CanoeBerry> How r u?
<yamaplos> great,
<yamaplos> 10 salvaged just arrived!
<yamaplos> how r u?
<dogi> :)
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<CanoeBerry> yamaplos: have you posted to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Repair_center_locations yet to get rich?
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<CanoeBerry> Best Buy & others charge _many_ hundreds of dollars to repair laptops!
<yamaplos> I will have to!
<CanoeBerry> remember that one outfit that charges almost $1000 to visit your house & "reflash" Windows?
<yamaplos> their main biznai is to reflash virus infected Micosot machines, though...
<CanoeBerry> Strange but very true..
<yamaplos> that's the way of the Beast...
<CanoeBerry> So let me just preview our "3 projects to review" agenda before we get started:
<CanoeBerry> 1. Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]
<CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37292
<CanoeBerry> 2. [GeneralCompute] Project Proposal - Request for platform. [Cambridge, UK]
<CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
<CanoeBerry>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/GeneralCompute
<CanoeBerry> 3. Apache Proxy CRCsync Project and Finger-painting Interface - USA, Belgium
<CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37801
<CanoeBerry>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apache_Proxy_CRCsync
<CanoeBerry> Check these links out while we get rolling here..
<yamaplos> thank you for sending the links before the meeting, I did my homework :-)
<CanoeBerry> Before we get started however, general questions about Contributors Projects, Libraries, etc?
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<CanoeBerry> New libraries emerging in: AUSTIN TX, WASHINGTON DC, LONDON UK, etc..
<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries
<CanoeBerry> Anybody that wants to start their own project/laptop lending library, speak up!
<CanoeBerry> We want to cross-fertilize so all "librarians" benefit each others communities.
<CanoeBerry> DC looks like they will focus on the "3-state" area, but will also do mail 
order if credentials seem solid.
<CanoeBerry> Every library sets its own policies..
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<carldani> hi
<CanoeBerry> Hi! Plz introduce yourself if poss.
<CanoeBerry> Finally, our 28 shipments of parts (261 laptops & 219 chargers) have almost all gone out this week -- 19 to the USA, and 9 to other countries.
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<CanoeBerry> Hi L from MN
<Lutorius> greetings!
* yamaplos is here, from Austin, TX, celebrating the start of the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Austin_XO_Repair_Center
<CanoeBerry> We're almost ready to review the 3 projects, all votes appreciated if you had a chance to look over RT37292, RT37443, RT37801
<yamaplos> OK, let's!
<Lutorius> i'd be willing to start one or assist if one exists already a repair center in MN
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<carldani> I'm Carl-Daniel Hailfinger, was part of the effort to port LinuxBIOS (now called coreboot) to the early OLPC prototype to replace the proprietary BIOS
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<CanoeBerry> No repair center in MN yet: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Repair_center_locations
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<CanoeBerry> carldani: great, are you a part of Project #1 we are about to review?
<carldani> and I got a mail that you will be discussing coreboot a bit in this meeting, so I thought I'd be here and answer any questions about coreboot
<CanoeBerry> "Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]"


[ PROJECT #1 : Coreboot and OLPC - North Carolina, USA ]

<CanoeBerry> Perfect, let's begin.
<CanoeBerry> 1. Coreboot and OLPC [North Carolina, USA]
<CanoeBerry> <CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37292
<carldani> CanoeBerry: I have to admit I don't know about that project yet, but give me a few seconds to read up
<CanoeBerry> Project Objective: "Investigate Coreboot firmware looking from the angle of debuggability; particularly related to standby/resume, or other challenges."
<CanoeBerry> "Plan and Procedure for Achieving the Stated Objectives: With laptop and source code in hand, and also the processor documentation, determine through study and reflection what possible improvements can be made for enhanced debuggability.  Starting with the premise that standard commercial laptops are not debuggable; answer the question 'how to guarantee that XO laptops are debuggable.'"
<carldani> CanoeBerry: thanks for the quick introduction
<yamaplos> I am curious in an ignorant kind of way, but being it that the project has Richard's opinion and a mentor, I say +1, just define clearly timeframe for return of machine
<CanoeBerry> Reinder in The Netherlands has agreed to help mentor this project, since he too is doing extremely similar work.
<CanoeBerry> Applicant requests 1 laptop but failed to specify # of months.
<Culseg> coreboot seems worthy, especially since few requests are are firmware level work
<CanoeBerry> +1
<CanoeBerry> Applicant's personal site is: http://home.rr.com/mitchelltramper
<carldani> To be honest, A-Test and B1+B2 were the last variants of OLPC which had coreboot
<CanoeBerry> carldani: can you explain more?
<carldani> the code is definitely easier to work with nowadays
<CanoeBerry> smithbone endorses this CP laptop shipment..
<carldani> A,B1,B2 were Geode GX
<carldani> B3,C and MP are Geode LX
<CanoeBerry> (smithbone = our battery / OFW guy..)
<yamaplos> even if he explains, I'm not sure I'd be able to understand :-) , but yes, I agree that firmware work is special
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<CanoeBerry> carldani: can you help mentor this project?
<CanoeBerry> Just a suggestion.
<carldani> CanoeBerry: let me look at the applicant's site
<CanoeBerry> Let me know while we move on to Project #2, as we seem to have consensus for approval.
<CanoeBerry> carldani: his site is lacking so far.
<CanoeBerry> mentoring should help :)
<Caryl> Hi sorry I'm late. Workmen are installing a new el-cheapo counter top in the kitchen of our maountain rental house
<CanoeBerry> Let's move on to #2 now.
<CanoeBerry> Hi CB!
<carldani> CanoeBerry: hm. I don't have flash installed, so his site comes up empty anyway
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<CanoeBerry> carldani: can i help you arrange access to our community support ticketing system after this call?
<CanoeBerry> That will help mentoring if you can.  Buzz me later if so:
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<CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang


[ PROJECT #2 : GeneralCompute - Cambridge, UK ]

<CanoeBerry> now let's move forward to #2 project.
<yamaplos> I am concerned #2  indicates "This project will not directly help the end user. It will help
<yamaplos> the middleware and application programmers. The APIs provided will be
<yamaplos> C/C++. But a Python binding is possible."
<CanoeBerry> 2. [GeneralCompute] Project Proposal - Request for platform. [Cambridge, UK]
<CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
<CanoeBerry>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/GeneralCompute
<yamaplos> I do not know if developing stuff in C/C++ is something thatw e use at all, 
but it may be just my ignorance
<CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: (long, beware!)
<CanoeBerry> Most computing device in the market have more that one
<CanoeBerry> processor i.e. CPU, GPU (programmable/non-programmable), DSP etc.
<CanoeBerry> These processors are supplied by different or same vendor. But to take
<CanoeBerry> advantage of these processors, vendors usually supply different set of
<CanoeBerry> APIs for each of these processors. There is a publicly available open
<CanoeBerry> standard that defines a common API to take advantage of these
<CanoeBerry> heterogenous computing devices. The OLPC laptop already has a GPU.
<CanoeBerry> Hence it already is hosting atleast two computing devices. It will be
<CanoeBerry> beneficial to support a "General Compute" API for the developers who
<CanoeBerry> can then take advantage of these devices in a uniform manner. This
<CanoeBerry> proposal will benefit the programmers who develop middleware or
<CanoeBerry> applications.
<CanoeBerry> Applicant requests 1 XO Laptop for 8-10 months.
<yamaplos> do we have someone who understands the technical parts of the proposal and can comment on whether this makes sense?
<Culseg> this API work is like a tool set that might be useful for developers ....which down the line may help end users...motivation and access count, I say go ahead
<yamaplos> Otherwise I'd point the applicant to the UK lending library
<CanoeBerry> Applicant has a sense of humor at least: "I believe that fragrance
<CanoeBerry> automatically reaches everywhere, it does not require marketing :)"
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<yamaplos> Culseg: it's in C/C++, we do python
<tsylla> #2 doesn't really make sense. The LX GPU is not really suited for "GPGPU" stuff
<Caryl> The technology for this one is beyond me.  But if he will commit to passing it on to the UK lending library when he is finished, I vote +1
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<yamaplos> apllicant needs mentor
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<yamaplos> speaking of which, the project I volunteered to mentor las week has not responded any email
<CanoeBerry> Applicant has a beautiful timeline -- credit where credit is due.
<CanoeBerry> But is it clear how much work he did with his B4 hardware to date?
<CanoeBerry> yamaplos: send a reminder email if poss?
<yamaplos> OK
<CanoeBerry> Culseg or others: can we get an informal mentor here for #2?
<CanoeBerry> The proposal is very thorough, but needs some thought.
<CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37443
<yamaplos> someone who knows what an API is and what it eats...
<CanoeBerry> Let's move onto #3 meantime, OK?
<Culseg> the B4 question is on target, I favor responding, I already am admin cc on ticket and would prefer a coding developer to ask a question to this developer
<yamaplos> Culseg: could you follow up, please?
<Caryl> I see mr Sandy likes this project. Maybe he would agree to mentor?
<CanoeBerry> Culseg: ask around on #osg for coding help?
<CanoeBerry> Co-mentoring ideally.


[ PROJECT #3 : Apache Proxy CRCsync Project w/ Moodle and Finger-painting Interface - Virginia, USA & Belgium ]

<CanoeBerry> Let's move onto #3 now.
<CanoeBerry> 3. Apache Proxy CRCsync Project and Finger-painting Interface - USA, Belgium
<CanoeBerry>    http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37801
<CanoeBerry>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apache_Proxy_CRCsync
<CanoeBerry>    http://moodle.org
<CanoeBerry>    http://swift.com
<CanoeBerry> Applicants request 5 XO Laptops for 6 months.
<CanoeBerry> Project Objectives:
<CanoeBerry>    FingerPaint Project
<CanoeBerry>    1. Integrating a chosen paint application with TinyMCE editor as a plug-in.
<CanoeBerry>    2. Profiling of the software stack that is used by the fingerpaint
<CanoeBerry>       application so that the performance can be improved:
<CanoeBerry>    RProxy Project
<CanoeBerry>    1. Performance testing of RProxy modules .(Stability testing, surf the
<CanoeBerry>       internet through the proxy to collect compression rate statistics in
<CanoeBerry>       the logs from real-live usage in stead of artificial test scenario's, etc)
<CanoeBerry>    2. Development and testing of required Plugins for XO School server to
<CanoeBerry>       integrate PaintWEB and RProxy module in the latest version of XO Engine.
<yamaplos> Another one I don't understand....  which I guess is good in the sense that there is people going beyond where I've been....
<yamaplos> nice tight schedule
<yamaplos> VA, too, so they can connect with DC when they are done, and/or during development
<Caryl> Sounds like they will be working on an identified need
<CanoeBerry> Martin Langhoff's support looks good.
<CanoeBerry> Or perhaps I'm assuming -- but at least he is mentioned many times in the proposal.
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<Culseg> as long as one can't point a finger at swift for bringing down the finance system, I say it is a great, hands-on project!
<CanoeBerry> Why 5 laptops?
<yamaplos> at least they did it using the best of digital technology
<Caryl> 5 programmers
<yamaplos> Why can't this project be done in emulation using non-XO machines?
<yamaplos> For the performance testing, we need to do these tests on actual configuration as emulation will not show the actual results.
<Caryl> They need the XO trackpad, I guess
<yamaplos> they probably don't need to do the performance testing all the time...
<Caryl> Do they want to borrow some preschool kids too?
<CanoeBerry> :)
<CanoeBerry> They have 7 people involved, who've all been emailed, which is important..
<mafe> sometimes some devs they need the performance testing ...like they do synchronize testing
<Culseg> this project builds in collaboration, a plus
<yamaplos> Looks well organized, and a clear schedule, if we could get the DC people to connect so they receive the machines in 6 months, I'd say this is a go
<CanoeBerry> Who can mentor?
<yamaplos> I hope Martin will
<CanoeBerry> co-mentor?
<yamaplos> seems to be part of the planning
<CanoeBerry> I will if nobody else, ok?
<yamaplos> please
<CanoeBerry> OK.
<CanoeBerry> Now what should I suggest to them around 5 laptops vs. emulation?
<yamaplos> they are proposing to have 2 teams, one in US, another in BE
<yamaplos> we already agree pairs is good, so 4 machines, maybe?
<Culseg> suggest they do emulation alongside the XOs and report results
<Caryl> ooooo good idea
<yamaplos> +
<yamaplos> +1
<yamaplos> that would be an additional valuable result
<CanoeBerry> ++
<CanoeBerry> Are we done early this week?!!
<yamaplos> looks like it
<Caryl> yea!


[ QUESTIONS for OLPC? ]

<CanoeBerry> Final Questions for OLPC?
<yamaplos> happy Peisaj and Easter
<yamaplos> is OLPCorps announcing today?  :-)
<Caryl> ok gotta run.  Happy everything!
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<CanoeBerry> All OLPCorps teams should receive an email today.
<yamaplos> good!
<msuolpc> Thanks for the note =)  we're watching our inboxes with anticipation!
<CanoeBerry> There may be certain finalization in the coming days, but this email should make very clear which teams are finalists and which are not.
<CanoeBerry> Other questions for OLPC?
<CanoeBerry> If not, see you next week, same time/same place!
<yamaplos> k!
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<CanoeBerry> Bye!
<illadelph> bye.
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<mafe> bye
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