OLPC:Volunteer Infrastructure Group/2008-10-14

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Action Items

Oct 14 17:26:01 <mchua>	ACTION ITEM: mchua to put gforge proposal on VIG page
Oct 14 17:31:48 <mchua>	ACTION ITEM: mchua post gforge proposal to VIG wikipage, invite vig to comment, bring up next week for volunteer hunting if no major objections
Oct 14 17:37:01 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: HH to get awstats working
Oct 14 17:38:42 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: HH to look at BetterAWStats
Oct 14 17:44:54 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: monitor download.l.o stats

Agenda

Oct 14 17:16:59 <hhardy>	Wiki and website scalability/mirroring -- deployments + G1G1 are coming!
Oct 14 17:16:59 <hhardy>	download.l.o scalability/mirroring Google, archive.org others?
Oct 14 17:16:59 <hhardy>	Torrent capability in browse--lfaraone
Oct 14 17:16:59 <hhardy>	State of rt rt instances for Adric and private
Oct 14 17:16:59 <Ian_Daniher>	hey dogi 
Oct 14 17:17:01 <hhardy>	new business
Oct 14 17:17:02 <dogi>	hi all
Oct 14 17:17:06 <hhardy>	meeting is now
Oct 14 17:17:11 <Ian_Daniher>	excellent
Oct 14 17:17:12 <hhardy>	anything to add to agenda?
Oct 14 17:17:38 <hhardy>	lfaraone: ping?
Oct 14 17:18:01 *	Culseg (1893d58d@webchat.mibbit.com) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 17:18:07 <is4>	looking for wordpress guru's
Oct 14 17:18:11 <hhardy>	anyone have a problem with possibly moving the regular meeting time to tuesday at 4pm edt?
Oct 14 17:18:19 <hhardy>	I have done a fair amt on wordpress
Oct 14 17:18:29 <dogi>	no
Oct 14 17:18:30 <hhardy>	http://scanlyze.wordpress.com/
Oct 14 17:18:45 <dogi>	np, hhardy :)
Oct 14 17:18:48 <mchua>	hhardy: add to agenda - something like gforge for making process of getting repos up less onerous?
Oct 14 17:19:13 <hhardy>	ok that sounds like a ticket, pls send me one?
Oct 14 17:19:16 *	mchua looking for semantic mediawiki / plain-ol'-mediawiki / trac gurus
Oct 14 17:19:31 <hhardy>	trac=noah
Oct 14 17:19:36 <hhardy>	wiki=sj
Oct 14 17:19:52 <hhardy>	or possibly seth or francesca
Oct 14 17:19:57 <dogi>	check old action items?

Talk about GFORGE

Oct 14 17:20:06 <mchua>	hhardy: we might want to talk about gforge here first, since it'd be fairly drastic change in "how to get a repo" structure
Oct 14 17:20:23 <mchua>	if people here want to go for it then i would file a ticket
Oct 14 17:20:25 <adric>	hhardy: 4pm would be harder for me
Oct 14 17:20:28 <hhardy>	there is a script which semi-automates the process now
Oct 14 17:20:37 *	kimquirk (~kimquirk@can-olpc-nat.media.mit.edu) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 17:20:58 <hhardy>	/home/olpc-code/scripts bunch of provisioning scripts for repos
Oct 14 17:21:15 <mchua>	hhardy: ok - anyway, just suggesting gforge as an agenda item, we can get to it in turn once mtg starts if that's ok
Oct 14 17:21:24 <mchua>	since there is a lot to go through
Oct 14 17:21:36 <hhardy>	setting up volunteer repositories would be a good task which could devolve to VIG if someone wants to assist with this
Oct 14 17:21:44 <hhardy>	ok
Oct 14 17:22:03 <hhardy>	Adding to agenda, something like gforge for making process  of getting repos up less onerous?
Oct 14 17:22:10 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: something like gforge for making process  of getting repos up less onerous?
Oct 14 17:22:19 <hhardy>	ok now carry on
Oct 14 17:22:21 <hhardy>	:)
Oct 14 17:22:41 *	mchua grins
Oct 14 17:22:46 <mchua>	first of all, http://gforge.org/
Oct 14 17:22:56 <mchua>	this is a proposal from mitchell charity and others
Oct 14 17:22:59 <hhardy>	Mel, this is a good thing for a "real volunteer" to implement
Oct 14 17:23:07 <mchua>	"GForge automatically creates a repository and controls access to it depending on the role settings of the project."
Oct 14 17:23:37 <mchua>	hhardy: agreed on the "vols should implement this" bit - though i think having it blessed/hosted by olpc would help with adoption even if it's all vol-run
Oct 14 17:23:53 <hhardy>	yes
Oct 14 17:23:59 <mchua>	essentially, mitchell proposed a sourceforge-like system for olpc-related codeprojects
Oct 14 17:24:01 *	unmadindu (~sayamindu@122.163.86.61) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 17:24:09 <mchua>	where anyone could go and make a project, it would autogenerate the repo, etc.
Oct 14 17:24:37 <lfaraone>	lfaraone: semi-pong
Oct 14 17:24:42 <lfaraone>	hhardy: *
Oct 14 17:24:45 <hhardy>	I would be a bit concerned about people spamming/exploiting the system
Oct 14 17:24:56 <mchua>	basically, "here's something that does what henry's scripts already try to do, but is specifically designed to do it, and has more features that might be useful"
Oct 14 17:25:06 <hhardy>	you all know how we are constantly spam bombed not only via email but also the public ticket systems
Oct 14 17:25:16 <mchua>	some rationale is at http://blog.melchua.com/2008/09/28/forging-a-software-development-community/
Oct 14 17:25:28 <lfaraone>	hhardy: really? how's that? (ive not see much  ticket spam)
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Oct 14 17:25:41 <hhardy>	mchua: could you put a discussion of the proposal and a link to that on VIG page?
Oct 14 17:25:44 <is4>	... why don't we, I don't know, use sf then?
Oct 14 17:25:45 <lfaraone>	hhardy: and debian uses gforge
Oct 14 17:25:49 *	Ian_Daniher_ (~it@69.61.230.246) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 17:25:51 <mchua>	hhardy: can do
Oct 14 17:25:57 <cjl>	What need would gforge satisfy (that isn't met by current tools?
Oct 14 17:25:58 <adric>	gforge is an awesome package, but it is big and complicated, and unless things have changed in recent revs, wants an entire server for itself
Oct 14 17:25:58 <lfaraone>	is4: because sf is evil and closed source.
Oct 14 17:26:01 <is4>	You're not talking about sourceforge in terms of how this would be different
Oct 14 17:26:01 <mchua>	ACTION ITEM: mchua to put gforge proposal on VIG page
Oct 14 17:26:05 <is4>	lfaraone, so is launchpad
Oct 14 17:26:06 <hhardy>	Dennis proposed some time ago that we comsider using FAS
Oct 14 17:26:14 <mchua>	FAS?
Oct 14 17:26:23 <adric>	fedora acct system?
Oct 14 17:26:23 <lfaraone>	is4: launchpad at least promises to be OSS by 2010.
Oct 14 17:26:32 <lfaraone>	(mid 2009)
Oct 14 17:26:36 <hhardy>	https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/
Oct 14 17:27:00 <cjl>	lfaraone: you don't see RT spam because I've deleted 2300 of them
Oct 14 17:27:01 <mchua>	cjl: gforge would allow people to instantaneously create and give privs to git repos of their own, with mailing lists/forums instantly associated with each project
Oct 14 17:27:11 <adric>	cjl: *cheer*
Oct 14 17:27:24 <cjl>	How much of hhardy's time is taken up wiht doing that for people?
Oct 14 17:27:25 *	lfaraone will likely disappear, here's what I've done: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Firefoxman/Ideas/Bittorrent
Oct 14 17:27:26 <mchua>	cjl: basically, all that the current app for repo hosting asks and can give you, gforge could too - this just removes the bottleneck of semi-automation that we have now (it seems)
Oct 14 17:27:34 <lfaraone>	cjl: I thought he ment d.l.o spam.
Oct 14 17:27:52 <mchua>	lfaraone: i'll make sure to bring up that link again when we get to that agenda item :)
Oct 14 17:27:53 <hhardy>	it doesnt take all that much of my time BUT sometimes it is a week or two before I get to doing it
Oct 14 17:28:00 <mchua>	cjl: ^^^ exactly
Oct 14 17:28:04 <hhardy>	so thats an opportunity cost for the requestors
Oct 14 17:28:16 <lfaraone>	hhardy: that's it, right there.
Oct 14 17:28:25 <cjl>	compare opportunity cost for requestors against maintenace cost of gforge
Oct 14 17:28:34 <adric>	is there a substantial volume of project hosting requests?
Oct 14 17:28:45 <hhardy>	2-3 per week probbaly
Oct 14 17:28:48 <mchua>	adric: would there be more if it was easier to make your own?
Oct 14 17:29:08 <mchua>	adric: i know of several cases where people have self-hosted their repos because they said "it'll take too long to get one from olpc"
Oct 14 17:29:09 <hhardy>	mchua: suspect yes
Oct 14 17:29:12 <adric>	And, another negative argument .. do we really want folks who can't fins some place to host a few pages and a repo themselves?
Oct 14 17:29:19 <mchua>	adric: what is the harm?
Oct 14 17:29:32 <adric>	Harm? Not much, just limited resources.
Oct 14 17:29:47 *	Ian_Daniher has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
Oct 14 17:30:08 <mchua>	adric: then i'd say sure, why not? we'll get more noise in the form of a bigger projects list, but hopefully that will also bring more signal (and inactive projects == easily ignored)
Oct 14 17:30:19 <mchua>	here's what I propose
Oct 14 17:30:21 <adric>	Put another way, why does OLPC need/want to host all of these projects?
Oct 14 17:30:23 <hhardy>	let's table this till we have a proposal on the table
Oct 14 17:30:32 <mchua>	ok, i'll post proposal to VIG wikipage for discussion
Oct 14 17:30:41 <hhardy>	so that people will write activities for us
Oct 14 17:30:50 <cjl>	Everyone have VIG page on their watchlist?
Oct 14 17:30:57 <dogi>	+1
Oct 14 17:31:00 <mchua>	and then people can hurl objections/ideas/discussion against it - if no major objections come up by the next meeting i'll start looking for vols to implement
Oct 14 17:31:08 <hhardy>	mchua: ok
Oct 14 17:31:21 <mchua>	cool. so
Oct 14 17:31:21 <hhardy>	one objection per child
Oct 14 17:31:40 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: Wiki and website scalability/mirroring -- deployments + G1G1 are coming!
Oct 14 17:31:48 <mchua>	ACTION ITEM: mchua post gforge proposal to VIG wikipage, invite vig to comment, bring up next week for volunteer hunting if no major objections
Oct 14 17:31:49 *	cjl wonders when we went object-oriented
Oct 14 17:32:01 <adric>	Ouch. :)
Oct 14 17:32:08 <hhardy>	wiki.l.o had more than a million page views according to goog analytics from 9/08 to 10/08 according to is4
Oct 14 17:32:40 <mchua>	hhardy : is that a one-to-one and onto objections-to-children mapping? (one child per objection)
Oct 14 17:32:43 <hhardy>	I'd like to have reliable stats for all the wikis and major public facing assets
Oct 14 17:32:50 <mchua>	public facing stats?
Oct 14 17:32:58 <is4>	public facing assets

statistics

Oct 14 17:33:04 <cjl>	hhardy: do you have wstat on www.l.o?
Oct 14 17:33:07 <is4>	but no reason not to make them public facing is wanted
Oct 14 17:33:10 <hhardy>	web sites, wiki, git, mailing lists, mail server
Oct 14 17:33:18 <mchua>	is4: right but should the stats for public facing assets also be publicly available?
Oct 14 17:33:28 <hhardy>	not necessarily
Oct 14 17:33:44 <is4>	two issues, getting them doesn't mean we have to publish them
Oct 14 17:33:49 <is4>	we need to have them regardless
Oct 14 17:33:51 <mchua>	trac == also public facing asset
Oct 14 17:33:55 *	[adric] (~adric@adsl-065-007-149-211.sip.asm.bellsouth.net): Adric Net
Oct 14 17:33:59 <hhardy>	awstats is set up on d.l.o
Oct 14 17:34:13 <is4>	I attempted to get analytics going on l.o 
Oct 14 17:34:18 <hhardy>	I have a script which takes the weekly logs and reassembles a big log file to run stats
Oct 14 17:34:26 <hhardy>	more than 10GB long simple logfile
Oct 14 17:34:34 <hhardy>	takes quite a while to run
Oct 14 17:34:43 <adric>	Ugh. that will take .. yeah and own the machine while it's doing it
Oct 14 17:35:23 <hhardy>	yeah need to make it so that awstats gets updated when logrotate runs I think
Oct 14 17:35:46 <hhardy>	good stats becomes important for knoing when to scale things before they break
Oct 14 17:36:01 <lfaraone>	is4: analytics doens't track activity downloads :(
Oct 14 17:36:04 <adric>	On web servers at work, we turn over logs and run stats at midnight server time .. makes for a lot of alerts that hout
Oct 14 17:37:01 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: HH to get awstats working
Oct 14 17:37:14 <hhardy>	in a more automated way
Oct 14 17:38:11 <cjl>	maybe look at BetterAWStats
Oct 14 17:38:34 <dogi>	for which domains, hhardy?
Oct 14 17:38:42 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: HH to look at BetterAWStats
Oct 14 17:38:58 <hhardy>	laptop.org, laptopfoundation.org, laptopgiving.org
Oct 14 17:39:05 <hhardy>	l.o would include wikis
Oct 14 17:39:13 <dogi>	nice :)
Oct 14 17:40:16 <cjl>	Haven't tried it myself, but might be of interest  http://betterawstats.com/main/a/features
Oct 14 17:40:31 <cjl>	Looks like it might add what you are looking for.
Oct 14 17:40:38 <mchua>	can i request a list somewhere of who should be able to view what stats?
Oct 14 17:42:26 <hhardy>	cscott  says nobody is complaining about download so he doesnt want to talk about scaling it
Oct 14 17:42:39 *	dgilmore_ is now known as dgilmore
Oct 14 17:42:40 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: download.l.o scalability/mirroring
Oct 14 17:43:39 *	cjb (~cjb@pullcord.laptop.org) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 17:43:42 <cjb>	hi
Oct 14 17:43:53 <cjl>	hi
Oct 14 17:44:11 <hhardy>	cjb could you comment on concerns about download.l.o scaling?
Oct 14 17:44:12 <cjb>	we don't think there will be scaling problems with dow.l.o.  there's nothing hitting it automatically.
Oct 14 17:44:32 <cjl>	sounds like action item is monitor usage.
Oct 14 17:44:54 <hhardy>	ACTION ITEM: monitor download.l.o stats
Oct 14 17:45:11 <hhardy>	might be interesting to know even if scaling per se isn't a problem
Oct 14 17:45:50 <hhardy>	I haven't had a chance to talk about the archive.org acct with SJ yet
Oct 14 17:46:07 <cjl>	hard to make an argument for scaling in absence of documented capacity issues.  Adding capacity won't fix things if they are not capacity issues (usually)
Oct 14 17:46:14 <hhardy>	yes

torrent

Oct 14 17:46:33 <hhardy>	Lfaraone is going to write up something about his torrent proposal
Oct 14 17:46:41 <mchua>	he did already, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Firefoxman/Ideas/Bittorrent
Oct 14 17:46:51 *	mchua needs to run - back online @ home
Oct 14 17:46:54 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: Torrent capability in browse--lfaraone
Oct 14 17:46:58 <hhardy>	awesome
Oct 14 17:47:05 *	mchua is now known as mchua|away
Oct 14 17:47:34 <hhardy>	There seems to be no text in that page
Oct 14 17:48:05 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: state of rt
Oct 14 17:48:28 <cjl>	Cap T
Oct 14 17:48:37 <hhardy>	ok
Oct 14 17:48:39 <cjl>	http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Firefoxman/Ideas/BitTorrent
Oct 14 17:48:53 <dogi>	:)
Oct 14 17:49:29 <hhardy>	adric: hows rt?
Oct 14 17:49:34 <adric>	Wiki is picky about caps
Oct 14 17:49:47 <adric>	hhardy: I haven't heard anything much. Do you try cloning it?
Oct 14 17:49:52 <hhardy>	no not yet
Oct 14 17:50:11 <adric>	Any word from on high about categories?
Oct 14 17:50:33 <hhardy>	no word from on high, I havent had time to sort through and make categories yet
Oct 14 17:50:45 <cjl>	I would love the opportunity to discuss categories with someone empowered t odo somethign about it.
Oct 14 17:50:52 <hhardy>	that would be me
Oct 14 17:50:52 <adric>	kim... is not still here? Drat.
Oct 14 17:51:06 *	cjl has thing for categories, ontologies, metadata controlled vocabularies and the like
Oct 14 17:51:10 <adric>	Do we want to do that here/now?
Oct 14 17:51:16 <cjl>	no
Oct 14 17:51:22 *	herlo has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
Oct 14 17:51:30 <cjl>	insufficient caffeine reserves
Oct 14 17:51:56 <hhardy>	no but send me your ideas pls cjl or post to list or from project page?
Oct 14 17:51:57 <adric>	Right. I want/need kim's input on that , and then we'll book an argument ^W meeting.
Oct 14 17:52:05 <cjl>	Too slow by IRC anyway, I'd love to mess wit hsomething on teamwiki maybe
Oct 14 17:52:08 <adric>	Yes, please post later.
Oct 14 17:52:32 *	hhardy has changed the topic to: new business
Oct 14 17:52:37 <hhardy>	anything further?
Oct 14 17:52:53 <adric>	Any word from jgay ? I haven't heard from him.
Oct 14 17:52:56 <cjl>	processed luncehon meats?
Oct 14 17:53:18 <cjl>	*luncheon
Oct 14 17:53:22 <Culseg>	If RT categories discussion is open elsewhere, I'm interested

meetserv

Oct 14 17:53:25 <hhardy>	Dogi do you want to talk about MeetServ?
Oct 14 17:53:32 <dogi>	jupp
Oct 14 17:53:52 <dogi>	but i m not finished with that right now
Oct 14 17:53:54 <hhardy>	Culseg its an open topic, I suggest taking it on the olpc-sysadmin list
Oct 14 17:54:10 <hhardy>	Dogi did a nice job on the meeting notes from last 2 mtngs
Oct 14 17:54:19 <hhardy>	thanks Dogi
Oct 14 17:54:21 <dogi>	i iss bot designed for having meeting log automaticaly save as a html
Oct 14 17:54:40 <adric>	Culseg: Please mail your thoughts to the list, or wiki them?
Oct 14 17:54:47 <cjl>	Culseg: maybe we should make Adam turn categories into  a topic to raisein a Sunday SG call  SG'ers are teh ones that need to understand them and gmgmt are the ones that want the info they encode.
Oct 14 17:55:01 <dogi>	http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
Oct 14 17:55:01 <cjl>	*mgmt
Oct 14 17:55:08 <hhardy>	I'm concerned with categories for sysadmin queue
Oct 14 17:55:55 <hhardy>	Dogi will you be able/willing to continue as secretary?
Oct 14 17:56:29 <dogi>	jupp, as long the bot is not finished :)
Oct 14 17:56:42 <cjl>	hhardy: I think you should be able to pick whatever cats you want for sysadmin, I think cats for help and vol and content need to be in right bin sizes and across those queues.
Oct 14 17:57:04 <hhardy>	herding cats :)
Oct 14 17:57:17 *	adric nods, after shooing a cat out of my lap.
Oct 14 17:57:45 <hhardy>	last call?
Oct 14 17:57:49 <cjl>	meetbot sounds good, in theory
Oct 14 17:58:20 <dogi>	i already saw one in action ...
Oct 14 17:58:28 <hhardy>	my .sig atm is: The best material model of a cat is another, or preferably the same, cat.
Oct 14 17:58:36 <adric>	heheh
Oct 14 17:58:55 <cjl>	dogi have you seen triagebot in action during the bug-scrubs on #oolpc-meeting?
Oct 14 17:58:58 <dogi>	that system worked nice .... even during a meeting u can reread what was going on
Oct 14 17:59:05 <dogi>	no
Oct 14 17:59:36 <adric>	That triagebot is pretty nifty, yeah :)
Oct 14 17:59:42 <cjl>	something M-stone cooked up I think.  Runs through untriaged trac tix, gives summaries, acceptws tags, etc.
Oct 14 17:59:48 <dogi>	cjl tell us more?
Oct 14 18:00:12 <cjl>	They have (or dod have) bug scrubs at 1:00 Eastern 
Oct 14 18:00:20 <cjb>	it's an IRC bot that uses trac's xml-rpc interface.  what in particular are you interested in?
Oct 14 18:00:32 <cjl>	Would need to cover 10-20 tix in rapid succession
Oct 14 18:00:45 <dogi>	can he write wiki (mediawiki)
Oct 14 18:00:48 <cjb>	no
Oct 14 18:00:55 <cjb>	I mean, the bot can't
Oct 14 18:00:57 <cjl>	speaks trac though :-)
Oct 14 18:01:02 <cjb>	I think it is almost entirely unrelated to a meeting bot
Oct 14 18:01:05 <cjb>	other than that it is a bot.
Oct 14 18:01:10 <dogi>	thats what i m into ...
Oct 14 18:01:31 <cjl>	Wasn't suggesting it was a suitable meetbot, soprry if that was unclear
Oct 14 18:02:12 <hhardy>	ok folks we seem to be done for this week
Oct 14 18:02:35 <cjl>	hhardy: Is it true you guys are going to look at your own spam soln?
Oct 14 18:02:39 <hhardy>	---END---

after hour

Oct 14 18:02:43 <dogi>	cu
Oct 14 18:02:47 <hhardy>	soln?
Oct 14 18:02:54 <cjl>	solution
Oct 14 18:03:01 <cjl>	sorry scientist shorthand
Oct 14 18:03:19 <hhardy>	the mail transport on rt.l.o is exim4
Oct 14 18:03:26 <hhardy>	blocklist is implemented
Oct 14 18:03:35 <hhardy>	next step could be something like spam assassin
Oct 14 18:04:01 <cjl>	It would be nice if there was a mechanism to get feed back from RT actions
Oct 14 18:04:23 <hhardy>	in Henry's lexicon, "anytime you see "solution" in a document, substitute "problem"
Oct 14 18:04:50 <hhardy>	1,$s/solution/problem/g :)
Oct 14 18:04:55 <adric>	hhardy: unless anyone likes exim4, I'd prefer a standard postfix-amavis-spama-clamav setup
Oct 14 18:05:24 <hhardy>	I don't dislike it but its an orphan as for as OLPC
Oct 14 18:05:27 <adric>	And while I'm wishing etch -> lenny needs to be considered
Oct 14 18:05:48 <hhardy>	I think solar is straight Debian
Oct 14 18:06:05 <cjb>	[cjb@solar ~]$ cat /etc/issue
Oct 14 18:06:05 <cjb>	Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
Oct 14 18:06:11 <hhardy>	hmmm ok
Oct 14 18:07:00 <hhardy>	but rt: 
Oct 14 18:07:02 <hhardy>	root@rt:/# cat /etc/issue
Oct 14 18:07:02 <hhardy>	Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
Oct 14 18:07:13 <cjb>	oh, the vserver
Oct 14 18:07:28 <hhardy>	I mean "rt on solar"
Oct 14 18:07:32 <cjb>	but does rt run a mail server?
Oct 14 18:07:39 <hhardy>	yes
Oct 14 18:07:43 <cjb>	huh
Oct 14 18:07:49 <cjb>	 % host -t mx rt.laptop.org     
Oct 14 18:07:49 <cjb>	rt.laptop.org mail is handled by 10 spam.laptop.org.
Oct 14 18:08:08 <cjb>	that suggests it isn't used.  what am I missing?
Oct 14 18:08:56 <adric>	it gets there eventually somehow, since that where we had to fix the email aliases
Oct 14 18:09:07 <cjb>	boggle.  okay.  :)
Oct 14 18:09:32 <cjb>	oh, I guess if the aliases contain @rt directly, it doesn't matter what the mx records say
Oct 14 18:09:38 *	m_stone (~mstone@dhcp-47-72.media.mit.edu) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 18:09:48 <hhardy>	yes
Oct 14 18:10:16 <hhardy>	woo hoo m_stone :)
Oct 14 18:10:50 <hhardy>	what do you all think of the idea to use torrents to distribute XO updates?
Oct 14 18:10:52 <cjb>	spamasssassin would be fine.  I use spamassassin+exim4 on my Debian colo server.
Oct 14 18:11:10 <cjb>	hhardy: I think it's a solution without a problem.
Oct 14 18:11:26 <cjb>	which seems to be regularly the case here.
Oct 14 18:11:29 <hhardy>	yes it is something ffm proposed :)
Oct 14 18:11:40 <cjb>	ah :)
Oct 14 18:12:06 <cjb>	I'm not going to stop someone seeding some builds on bittorrent.  but it's clearly not actually needed.
Oct 14 18:13:06 <hhardy>	cjb: what the developers see as problems and what the community sees as problems are pretty much disjunct
Oct 14 18:13:20 <adric>	Aww.. but this is overall quite true.
Oct 14 18:13:49 <cjb>	hhardy: that seems like a problem.
Oct 14 18:14:37 <hhardy>	its a matter of emphasis, and who knows what
Oct 14 18:14:39 <cjb>	the people proposing improvements to our infrastructure should try to be knowledgeable about where the problems in our infrastructure are -- there are certainly plenty of problems to go around.  maybe we're not making them known?  maybe they're less sexy to fix than magic bittorrent crack is?
Oct 14 18:15:08 <hhardy>	some of each I would think
Oct 14 18:15:53 <hhardy>	it is very helpful when developers participate in these meetings as you have dome
Oct 14 18:15:57 <hhardy>	*done
Oct 14 18:16:22 <adric>	New toys shinier than fixing the stuff we use.
Oct 14 18:16:56 <adric>	Not that i'm bitter or anything *cough*
Oct 14 18:17:17 <hhardy>	I hope not adric
Oct 14 18:17:29 <hhardy>	I for one very much appreciate what you are doing
Oct 14 18:17:44 <adric>	thanks!
Oct 14 18:17:52 *	cjl sends adric warm fuzzies
Oct 14 18:17:59 <adric>	I'm sticking with it, just still adjusting to the speed of change.
Oct 14 18:18:29 <hhardy>	its a herd of cats the size of a glacier
Oct 14 18:18:46 <cjl>	and moving qat the same pace :-)
Oct 14 18:18:46 *	herlo (~clints@209.41.92.72) has joined #olpc-admin
Oct 14 18:18:52 <adric>	thanks cjl