Contributors program/August 13, 2010
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[ AGENDA ] * XO-1.5 early production machines now available/shipping: http://blog.laptop.org/2010/02/25/xo-1-5-early-production-laptops-free-to-contributors-worldwide/ * New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * Fast Review of the 4 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: #1 Squeakland Etoys Testing - San Jose, CA; Hillsborough, NJ; Bigfork, MN; Champaign, IL #2 GSoC Squeakland Education - Buenos Aires, Argentina #3 Dominican College OLPC Chapter - Orangeburg/NYC, New York #4 Roadshow In A Box Expansion - Pray, Montana; Los Angeles, California [ PROJECT #1 - Squeakland Etoys Testing - San Jose, CA; Hillsborough, NJ; Bigfork, MN; Champaign, IL ] <CanoeBerry> Sorry for the late start-- plz check your email if you did not receive the agenda here: <GrannieB2> Gesss so <CanoeBerry> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/029645.html <CanoeBerry> Let's start w/ Project #1 -- please everyone here is invited to critique/mentor/vote for: <CanoeBerry> Squeakland Etoys Testing - San Jose, CA; Hillsborough, NJ; Bigfork, <CanoeBerry> MN; Champaign, IL <CanoeBerry> http://tracker.squeakland.org <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=65375 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 4 XO-1.5s over 3 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Currently, there is no dedicated user tester group for Squeakland. The <CanoeBerry> education team, being the most active in the Squeakland community <CanoeBerry> have been <CanoeBerry> put to task to test the Etoys program prior to its release. <CanoeBerry> The main objective of this project is to do a rigorous test of the beta <CanoeBerry> version of Etoys against the planned release of Sugar and XO 1.5. <CanoeBerry> Any opinions? <CanoeBerry> Votes? <CanoeBerry> Hiya! <CanoeBerry> I need clarif if the 4 XO-1.5 are requested at the 4 separate locations? <GrannieB2> Are these folks connected with Squeekland eToys in CA? <CanoeBerry> If there's any representative from the applicant/group itself? <CanoeBerry> GrannieB2: yese * maraschino has joined #olpc-meeting <GrannieB2> what happens after 3 mos? <CanoeBerry> This Etoys testing work looks great, but a few more details would help, yese. <maraschino> hello, I jumped in late...apologize <GrannieB2> can they test other XO software as well <CanoeBerry> maraschino: are you with the Squeakland Etoys testing proposal out of San Jose? * culseg has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> culseg: welcome and thanks for setting up the new http://forum.laptop.org forums in new languages. <maraschino> The sugar build on SoaS and the XO 1.5 build are different...Bert needed support on user testing on the 1.5 <maraschino> yes <maraschino> Canoeberry: yes <CanoeBerry> maraschino: this is a request for 4 separate shipments, to each of 4 states around the US? <CanoeBerry> plz confirm as that was not clear in the proposal <maraschino> Canoeberry: Unfortunately the squeakland edu team is spread out...I could take care of the separate shipments <CanoeBerry> i just need to know Y/N <maraschino> Y <CanoeBerry> thanks <CanoeBerry> can you clarify Caryl's question above? <CanoeBerry> (GrannieB2 asks about what happens after the 3 months..) <maraschino> I put down 3 months because the planned release of etoys coincides with the Sugar release...however, it will be used for content testing for Haiti and OLPC Health <maraschino> Both Randy, Steve and I are signed up to contribute content to Haiti and Health <GrannieB2> It would be great if they could commit to joining the testing team and test other software that always needs testing <maraschino> We need guidance on that...but Etoys is a huge bulk <maraschino> I am currently testing XO1 850 builds...we can probably incorporate other spot checks <maraschino> while we test Etoys on the machines <GrannieB2> right... about the Health thing... we need to develop and test for both the XO-1 and the XO-1.5 <GrannieB2> How is 850 working for you? <maraschino> theoretically, any content made in Etoys will run on both versions. <maraschino> just filed a bug <CanoeBerry> Let's vote, how does that sound? <GrannieB2> +1 <maraschino> I'm borrowing machines....so it's up to the owners to follow up <CanoeBerry> +1 <CanoeBerry> All Please Vote <CanoeBerry> We need to move on to other projects now. <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <maraschino> The edu team would need guidance on your test processes...please let us know where to go first <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> APPROVED <maraschino> thanks <culseg> +1 <CanoeBerry> Thanks! <GrannieB2> stick around and vote +1 for mine! [ PROJECT #2 - GSoC Squeakland Education - Buenos Aires, Argentina ] <CanoeBerry> Plz all look over Project #2 now -- helping critique/mentor/vote for: <CanoeBerry> GSoC Squeakland Education - Buenos Aires, Argentina <CanoeBerry> http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton/ESUG/ESUG.html <CanoeBerry> http://groups.google.com.ar/group/squeakland-education-gsoc-project <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=65377 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XOs over 4 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> This project involves developing tools in the Etoys/Squeak environment <CanoeBerry> to aid learners, teachers and developers. I plan to use the XO to test <CanoeBerry> these tools and assure they work properly in the platform. <CanoeBerry> In outline, these tools will be: <CanoeBerry> 1) Etoys Paint Tool: The current implementation will be improved in <CanoeBerry> order to support features like zoom, multiple undo, and a select tool, <CanoeBerry> among others. <CanoeBerry> 2) Graphing of Data: Tiles for creating vertical and horizontal grid <CanoeBerry> lines, major and minor tick marks, labels for axes, and a label for the <CanoeBerry> graph will be created to allow students to graph data they acquire in <CanoeBerry> science and mathematics projects. <CanoeBerry> 3) Input/Output of Data From/To Files: Tiles will be created to allow <CanoeBerry> data from the Etoys environment to be output to a file and for <CanoeBerry> information from an external file to be imported into the Etoys <CanoeBerry> environment. <CanoeBerry> 4) Learner and Teacher Feedback: Tiles will be created to allow <CanoeBerry> formative feedback to be provided to learners and teachers as a student <CanoeBerry> progresses through a project. <CanoeBerry> 5) Better Translation Support: The translation framework would be <CanoeBerry> improved in order to allow different =93.po=94 files instead of one big <CanoeBerry> =93Etoys.po=94 file. <CanoeBerry> 6) Wider Font Support: Currently, Etoys has a set of cross-platform <CanoeBerry> fonts to use. It would be desirable to enlarge this set in order to <CanoeBerry> include nicer fonts. The problem is that loading lots of fonts would <CanoeBerry> make the image too big. Code to address this problem already exists, but <CanoeBerry> it needs to be tested and merged with current Etoys code. <CanoeBerry> 7) EtoyMaker: This tool would let developers select a class name and <CanoeBerry> choose the slots and commands they want for their Etoy. It would then <CanoeBerry> compile all the necessary classes and methods to generate the Etoys <CanoeBerry> tiles, etc. Developers will only need to implement the methods of their <CanoeBerry> class, everything else will be generated automatically. <CanoeBerry> PRE-APPROVED! <CanoeBerry> OK, onto Project #3 now. <CanoeBerry> (Buenos Aires contributor above actually got 1 XO-1.5 and 1 XO-1, his needs clarified by Bert Freudenberg) <maraschino> Richo Moran? [ PROJECT #3 - Dominican College OLPC Chapter - Orangeburg/NYC, New York ] <CanoeBerry> Yep. OK, please all help critique/mentor/vote for Project #3 here: <maraschino> Great! <CanoeBerry> Dominican College OLPC Chapter - Orangeburg/NYC, New York <CanoeBerry> http://acrosstheseas-irie.blogspot.com <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=65417 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 10 XOs over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> * Establish a University Chapter in which undergraduate US and Ugandan <CanoeBerry> computer science students collaborate with graduate education students <CanoeBerry> (via Blackboard, wikis, email, etc.) <CanoeBerry> * Collaboration will be charged with creating/programming XO activities <CanoeBerry> in alignment with Ugandan National Curriculum for primary schools. * sgtpepper has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> joclemente: can you introduce your work here? <sgtpepper> sorry for being late <CanoeBerry> no prob! <CanoeBerry> joclemente: still there? <GrannieB2> Blackboard is not open source. Do they know about Moodle? <maraschino> Do they have a framework for a class in teaching creation/programming of the XOs? <CanoeBerry> http://acrosstheseas-irie.blogspot.com is an amazing and ambitious start, but we need to hear more details.. <CanoeBerry> joclemente: please fill us in! <joclemente> yes, here <joclemente> I need to develop hackers who can create software particular to Uganda needs <joclemente> we have a computer science dpt that has students who can be put to the task <CanoeBerry> great that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_College_%28New_York%29 has 2000 students.. <joclemente> so I need some machines <joclemente> but not that many students are in Computer Science! <joclemente> They would be collaborating with our teacher ed students as well <GrannieB2> did you see my earlier question about using Blackboard which is not open source.... Moodle is an works as well or better <CanoeBerry> http://acrosstheseas-irie.blogspot.com needs updates, and separately: where will be able to find the students work posted? <joclemente> yes, i know but all of my work has been email based and not so good for the blog <CanoeBerry> perhaps Dominican College is locked into Blackboard? <maraschino> joclemente: have there been efforts to create the content first without the hardware? <joclemente> I am the Administrator of Bb so it is easy for me to bring in the Ugandans <culseg> seems like project calls for more powerful machines, but I have no problem supporting 1 0r 2 XOs to try out ideas <GrannieB2> they probably can change. Many colleges and universities are changing over \ <joclemente> they are not going to change <CanoeBerry> culseg: yes i like a 2-phased approach -- perhaps 2 XO-1s + 2 XO-1.5s <joclemente> They want to build it up more <GrannieB2> Colgate U is in the process of switching now <joclemente> We host it ourselves, small scale so we can afford it. <joclemente> when budget gets tight I suppose they will. <GrannieB2> You miss my point. It is propriatry software <joclemente> yes but we will post activities to the website <GrannieB2> sorry about the spwlling <GrannieB2> my glasses are broken <joclemente> the bb is used for class and these students would all be enrolled in a class <maraschino> joclemente: are the students just starting to learn Sugar/Phython? Would you be able to have them start without the hardware first? <GrannieB2> Moodle will do that <joclemente> the CS prof is talking about Java. Is he off base? <joclemente> That is why we need the machines to see how it can work <culseg> you all need to study Sugar more before you leap <GrannieB2> can you check out some machines from one of the OLPC libraries to find out? <joclemente> True. What do you suggest for the prof as a starting point? <maraschino> jocelemente: yes I understand, but it is better to develop outside of using the XOs first. <GrannieB2> that's what my "Roadshow" does, but NY is too far away <joclemente> What machines do you use to develop then? <maraschino> joclemente: Please have them check out James Simmons book as a starting point <joclemente> sounds like a plan- it is on Sugar? Will it have any application outside of OLPC? <CanoeBerry> http://en.flossmanuals.net/ActivitiesGuideSugar <joclemente> thanks <GrannieB2> Do you know about Sugar on a Stick? <CanoeBerry> His other new book is looking hot too: <joclemente> yes, and I used it in Uganda <maraschino> joclemente: his making ebooks is a great start for learning how to make an activity. <joclemente> When you develop software, you are using another operating system or SOAS? <CanoeBerry> http://en.flossmanuals.net/ReadingandSugar/Introduction <joclemente> thanks so much for the links <maraschino> I would vote for maybe 1 or two machines...just in case the students blast through the book and be ready for testing with an actual XO <joclemente> anyway, i think they should have some "real' machines to work on too. I did not find that things worked the same using SOAS <maraschino> you can use a Linux machine <culseg> will you consider downsizing your proposal? <joclemente> don't know if we have a linux machine. Can find out. Pardon my question but will Sugar then work within that <CanoeBerry> let's conclude, giving Dominican College what they can to dig deeper -- 2 XO-1.5s or what? <maraschino> vote for 2 <CanoeBerry> OK, 2 <CanoeBerry> for now <GrannieB2> +1 for 2 for now <culseg> okay for 1-2 <GrannieB2> But please... give Moodle a try! <joclemente> that is a good start and I will have them look into other ways to use Sugar <CanoeBerry> please all vote/recommend how we can help Dominican College jump aboard <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <joclemente> of course I vote for 2 <CanoeBerry> APPROVED for 2 XO-1.5s, more to follow as this group posts/blogs and hopefully joins out OLPC NYC community in person! <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_NYC <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #4... <GrannieB2> Maybe they can develop a college currivulum for others to emulate their work <CanoeBerry> Please all critique/mentor/cote for: <CanoeBerry> *vote for: <joclemente> That is a good idea <joclemente> thanks! [ PROJECT #4 - Roadshow In A Box Expansion - Pray, Montana; Los Angeles, California ] <CanoeBerry> Roadshow In A Box Expansion - Pray, Montana; Los Angeles, California <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Roadshow_in_a_Box <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=65468 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 3-6 XO-1.5s over 24+ months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The purpose of the Roadshow In A Box project is to bring awareness of <CanoeBerry> the XO to as many educators, developers, and people interested in <CanoeBerry> deployments as possible. The machines are used for demonstrations, <CanoeBerry> presentations and workshops at conferences and schools, exhibit <CanoeBerry> booths at expos, and showing to individuals who are interested in <CanoeBerry> becoming a part of the OLPC community. Currently we have only one <CanoeBerry> XO-1.5 which is checked out to the computer lab director at Montana <CanoeBerry> State University. We want to expand this part of our project so that <CanoeBerry> our "clients" can see and try the latest hardware. <GrannieB2> That's mine! <joclemente> have to go! thanks all! * joclemente (a7ce9e62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.158.98) Quit (Quit: Page closed) <CanoeBerry> joclemente: thanks! plz post to your blog soon! <GrannieB2> any questions for me? <CanoeBerry> Can you introduce fast? <maraschino> GB: are the XOs going to be housed in a lending library when they're not on the road? <CanoeBerry> Why 3? Why 6? <GrannieB2> I "house" them I currently have 9 working XO-1s 4 are checked out. <CanoeBerry> GrannieB2: Please explain the need for 3 versus 6 XO-1.5s? <GrannieB2> I need enough to be able to take them to expos, conferences, etc and still check some out <culseg> I thought lending libraries were in batches o 10 X)s <maraschino> GB: how often would you go "on the road"? How many volunteers are with you at each time? <GrannieB2> I take them in a roll aboard. s fit nicely <GrannieB2> I meant 6 <maraschino> GB: last question was more on how many eyes per laptop <maraschino> while on the road <GrannieB2> My next big gig is in Nov at the CUELA tech fair <culseg> reads like a great project to me! <GrannieB2> I am also available to go out to colleges and universities and to lend them. <CanoeBerry> Let's settle on a number. <GrannieB2> Right now there are 2 at MSU in Bozeman and 2 at Moorpark College in CA] <culseg> +1 for 6 XOs <CanoeBerry> More votes please. <GrannieB2> I plan to pass the XO-1s on to other SoCal projects, keeping just one or 2 <CanoeBerry> maraschino: plz vote! <maraschino> +1 for 4 XOs <CanoeBerry> sgtpepper: vote? <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <sgtpepper> +1 <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <GrannieB2> I'd like to vote for 5 b/c they will fit <GrannieB2> +1 for 5 <CanoeBerry> sgtpepper: do you recommend a partic number of XO-1.5s? <CanoeBerry> +1 for 5 <CanoeBerry> APPROVED <sgtpepper> 5... I think is important that there are enough eyes to watch for them <maraschino> that's my concern as well. <GrannieB2> I haven't lost any yet...been doing this almost 2 years <maraschino> :-) <GrannieB2> I have an elaborate check out system [ CLOSING REMARKS ] <CanoeBerry> Thanks all, meeting adjourned and hope to see you all in person in NYC Aug 21, at the Harlem classroom in Sept and/or for our big community/realness OLPC-SF/Sugar event Oct 21/22 to 24 in San Francisco! <sgtpepper> GrannieB2: of course.. and I'm sure you're extremely careful <CanoeBerry> Meeting Adjourned -- great wkd to all! <GrannieB2> ID required and all that stuff! <sgtpepper> but you never know <maraschino> I think it's more of when you're on the road...events could get really big events <maraschino> goodness! It is easy to lose time when you're playing with the green machines. <CanoeBerry> PS those near Rhode Island, please attend 16-year-old Dulce's big OLPC fundraiser here: <CanoeBerry> http://olpcextravaganza.blogspot.com <maraschino> That's good....hope to see more OLPC-SoCal events soon <CanoeBerry> http://olpc.ticketleap.com/olpc-extravaganza <GrannieB2> which reminds me... how about a "realmess summit" at SCaLE in LA in Feb? <CanoeBerry> Aug 21 in Warwick/Providence, RI <CanoeBerry> Saturday 8 days away. <CanoeBerry> GrannieB2: make sure all the SF folks have SCaLE details at their fingertips when we arrive in SF Oct 21/22-24! <GrannieB2> I can't be there in Oct. I hate to tell you, but I will be on Maui. <GrannieB2> But.... I'll send lots of details to Sameer <maraschino> How could you trade the fog for those nasty sand and sun? <GrannieB2> He picked the one weekend out of the 3 that I already had planned <sgtpepper> Maui... I envy you <GrannieB2> We plan to attend the Maui ukulele festival while we are there! <maraschino> Yes yes rub it in Grannie. hahaha. <maraschino> we will miss you in SF. I was hoping to finally meet you. <GrannieB2> maybe we should meve the summit to Maui! <GrannieB2> just come to SCaLE in LA in Feb