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[ AGENDA ] * XO-1.5 early production machines available but shipping temporarily delayed this month: http://blog.laptop.org/2010/02/25/xo-1-5-early-production-laptops-free-to-contributors-worldwide/ * New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * Fast Review of the 10 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: #1 Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda #2 Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA #3 Moneague College - Jamaica #4 XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia #5 "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas #6 SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands #7 Developing education resources - Australia/Timor #8 Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise #9 XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North Dakota State University #10 Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya <CanoeBerry> AGENDA HERE: <CanoeBerry> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/030112.html * jt4sugar has joined #olpc-meeting [ PROJECT #1 - Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda ] <CanoeBerry> Let's begin with Project #1 here -- please all help critique/mentor and vote for: <CanoeBerry> Children's resource and gaming centre - Kampala, Uganda <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67018 <CanoeBerry> http://www.kyowgp.blogspot.com <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 10 XOs over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Background/Objectives: <CanoeBerry> - enhancing the current children learning activties through the <CanoeBerry> development of a creative learning environment with the <CanoeBerry> availability of <CanoeBerry> laptops for recreation. <CanoeBerry> - provide entertainment and a learning experience for the children in <CanoeBerry> nansana. <CanoeBerry> - develop a children's gaming station as part of the current resource <CanoeBerry> centre where after reading,children can engage in some <CanoeBerry> recreational and <CanoeBerry> educational entertainment. <CanoeBerry> - introduction of OLPC/Sugar community in one community in the country. <CanoeBerry> I think this project needs more prep, comments from others? <KGMac> agreed <CanoeBerry> Their blog http://www.kyowgp.blogspot.com is lacking so far. <CanoeBerry> Let's move on, OK? <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> ON HOLD <bernie> it looked cool <CanoeBerry> Final thoughts Bernie? * ndoiron has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Let's jump forward.. [ PROJECT #2 - Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA ] <CanoeBerry> Plz all review/mentor/vote for Project #2 here: <CanoeBerry> Improving performance in science subjects and raising HIV/AIDS <CanoeBerry> awareness - Uganda/Kenya/USA <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67167 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 9 XOs over 2-3 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> 1. To equip teachers and pupils with basic computer skills using the XO <CanoeBerry> laptop. <CanoeBerry> 2. To improve understanding and performance of science <CanoeBerry> subjectsincluding <CanoeBerry> maths using the xo activities <CanoeBerry> 3. Actively engaging children in their learning process. <CanoeBerry> 4. Increase school attendance rate in rural schools and ctively <CanoeBerry> engaging <CanoeBerry> children in their learning process. <CanoeBerry> 5. Increasing HIV/AIDS awareness and thus helping leaners live a HIV <CanoeBerry> free life. <CanoeBerry> Sounds great, but a blog of their past work needs to be more prominently out there. <CanoeBerry> Proposals for 10 XOs really do need a blog showing their track record. <CanoeBerry> Even if an early blog still in formation, or other public/community publishing of their contributions.. <CanoeBerry> Thoughts? <CanoeBerry> Votes? <ndoiron> are they specific about how they will teach about HIV/AIDS using the XOs? <bernie> yeah it's nto clear if they're planning to create software, content or just use the laptop to surf the web <CanoeBerry> Exactly: these guys had a blog in the past but I can't find it, nor did they include it in the proposal as required. <ndoiron> they talk a lot more about the math(s) side <CanoeBerry> I vote to put this one on hold til the story is more complete. <CanoeBerry> Others please vote your conscience. <CanoeBerry> Anyone care to help nudge this project along? <ndoiron> on hold, recommend they expand health goals or shift focus to math and computer skills <KGMac> any opp for partial shipment? <CanoeBerry> Mentors most welcome! <CanoeBerry> KGMac: partial shipments are possible, but expensive to Africa. <CanoeBerry> Much better to get to get the full story straight. <KGMac> true, very true <CanoeBerry> Customs fees are not worth it if it's a half-hearted proposal. <CanoeBerry> OLPC pay larges sums for customs fees and logistics here. <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #3? <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> ON HOLD [ PROJECT #3 - Moneague College - Jamaica ] <CanoeBerry> Thanks. Let's check out Project #3 here now -- please all vote and comment on: <CanoeBerry> Moneague College - Jamaica <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67265 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 10 XOs over 24 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The objectives of this pilot project shall be to: <CanoeBerry> * Expose teacher educators and student teachers (the next cohort of <CanoeBerry> class teachers) to the XO laptops and software for use in the <CanoeBerry> teaching and <CanoeBerry> learning process <CanoeBerry> * Provide the tools for the practical completion of the Technology in <CanoeBerry> Education course objectives for the target group of student teachers <CanoeBerry> * Demonstrate that the XO software can be used across content areas <CanoeBerry> * Provide an incentive and equipment for student teachers to propose <CanoeBerry> and execute technology/computer centred final year teaching practice <CanoeBerry> projects <CanoeBerry> * Contribute to the bank of Sugar lesson plans and videos in <CanoeBerry> conjunction with UWI pilots <CanoeBerry> * Assist the OLPC Jamaica Team with teacher training for their <CanoeBerry> projects at Providence Basic and August Town Primary schools. <CanoeBerry> * Assist the Ministry of Education and Youth and Education <CanoeBerry> Transformation Team with achieving 100% literacy by 2015, <CanoeBerry> by using/integrating the XOs into daily teachings for the <CanoeBerry> same set of children over the life of the project <bernie> does http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects work for anyone? I can't access it <CanoeBerry> Works for me. * cgueret has joined #olpc-meeting <cgueret> hi! <CanoeBerry> bernie: are you getting DNS issues w/ wiki.laptop.org in general? <CanoeBerry> cgueret: bonjour! <cgueret> sorry, I'm a bit late for the meeting <cgueret> was busy cooking :P <CanoeBerry> No Prob. <KGMac> loks very well thoguth out <bernie> the internet is selectively bad for me today. the rest of the olpc wiki works fine.. bah <CanoeBerry> Let's support this where we can -- 2 great teacher-trainer in Jamaica building out Sugar pedagoy / curricula. <CanoeBerry> This group has bought 100+ XO-1.5 for delivery later this fall, but they need to get up to speed. <CanoeBerry> 10 XO-1s would help I think. <CanoeBerry> Too bad the group coordinator (Sameer Verma) is not here.. someone call him? <CanoeBerry> Thoughts? <CanoeBerry> Sameer may join live in 1 min.. <CanoeBerry> Plz prepare hard questions for him! <cgueret> discussing a project about XOs for jamaica ? (trying to catch up with the meeting...) <CanoeBerry> Yes! <cgueret> cool :) <KGMac> Contribute to the bank of Sugar lesson plans and videos in <KGMac> conjunction with UWI pilots - I especially like this point <CanoeBerry> Plz ask tuff questions of the project's coordinator trying to join in 30sec * docverma has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> docverma: hi! <docverma> hello! <docverma> sorry, was in the middle of a xodock experiment <cgueret> hi1 <docverma> http://xodock.com <CanoeBerry> Please defend the need for 10 XO-1s in Jamaica to prep for the 115 XO-1.5 arriving Nov/Dec <docverma> Well, the request is for Moneague Teacher Training college <CanoeBerry> Sorry OLPC appears to be out of XO-1.5s for the Contributors Program just this month. <docverma> Their role in our Jamaica deployments is to create lesson plans <CanoeBerry> Temporary inventory problem.. <CanoeBerry> Why are 10 units needed? <docverma> They usually create lesson plans using "other software" that the teachers don't get <docverma> so something Sugar based is good <docverma> The college has 600+ teachers <CanoeBerry> Will Grade 3/Grade 4 kids be involved this fall, prep'ing for the full shipment end of year? <docverma> these teachers teach all over the country <CanoeBerry> docverma: KGMac in Canada likes your work! <docverma> The lesson plans will end up in a repository hosted by Univ. of the West Indies under a CC license <CanoeBerry> English?? <docverma> Yes, English <CanoeBerry> Objections / votes of support from the Jury? <CanoeBerry> Please all vote. <KGMac> support <docverma> The current target is upper kindergarten and grade 3+4 <docverma> the XOs will be in a library <docverma> lending library at Moneague College * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> +1, with some questions as to how 10 XO-1s will be used exactly this autumn.. <jt4sugar> Support <ndoiron> voting in support +1 <docverma> KGMac: Thx!!! <CanoeBerry> Final objections? <CanoeBerry> Mentoring support? * tch has left #olpc-meeting <docverma> Myself, and OLPC Jamaica team will mentor <CanoeBerry> This group in Jamaica is going strong, but are new -- they will need a hand. <CanoeBerry> Calling remarks? <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> APPROVED <bernie> docverma: +1 <cgueret> congrats :) <docverma> awesome! <docverma> thanks :-) <cgueret> :) <CanoeBerry> Thanks to docverma also for organizing OLPC's biggest ever contributor/volunteer summit in exactly 14 days!!! <docverma> OLPC Jamaica has been three years in the making. I appreciate your support. <CanoeBerry> http://olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2010/people.php <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #4 now.. <docverma> Yes! Please come to San Francisco!!! [ PROJECT #4 - XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia ] <CanoeBerry> Plz all review/critique/vote for: <CanoeBerry> XOpup / Puppy Linux XO-1.5 - Southport, Australia <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67326 <CanoeBerry> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47337 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO-1.5 over 18 months <CanoeBerry> Project Background/Objectives: <CanoeBerry> To port Puppy linux with it's unique blend of speed and usability to <CanoeBerry> the XO. * smellvin has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> This seems familiar.. <CanoeBerry> Others have attempted Puppy Linus on XO, in Colombia perhaps? Somewhere else? * smellvin Quit (Client Quit) <CanoeBerry> Our current/temporary shortage of XO-1.5s makes it hard to support this on in full? <CanoeBerry> Votes please, regardless! <KGMac> the blog suggests that they want to install on 1.0's <CanoeBerry> Great :) <CanoeBerry> +1 with qualifications <CanoeBerry> Objections? Critiques? Collaboration with this Australian guy? <CanoeBerry> Need some votes one way or the other :) Or shall we move on? <KGMac> however, upon digging further, they appear to have accomplished that and maybe want to port to 1.5 <KGMac> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60155 <cgueret> I think that would be a good idea <cgueret> (if my opinion matters...) <CanoeBerry> Shall we all support? <jt4sugar> If he successfully ports would this make XO work better? Porting to other platforms seems to be plus <CanoeBerry> Please a full "+1" if you believe in this project and its contribution. <sandrat> +1 <KGMac> +1 here <jt4sugar> +1 <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> APPROVED [ PROJECT #5 - "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #5, plz all critique/mentor/vote for: <CanoeBerry> "Preventing Malaria" - Mexico / Edinburg, Texas <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67327 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 3 XO-1s over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> - Develop a memory game for 1 or 2 players with malaria-related topics, <CanoeBerry> so 5-12-year-old kids can help to prevent this disease in their <CanoeBerry> communities. <CanoeBerry> The computer will show a list of images related to malaria, such as <CanoeBerry> causes, <CanoeBerry> transmission, symptoms, treatment, prevention and complications. Each <CanoeBerry> image will appear from 4 to 10 seconds (depending on the chosen <CanoeBerry> difficulty: <CanoeBerry> difficult, normal and easy). The game will show something like this: <CanoeBerry> - Habitat (4-10 seconds)... <CanoeBerry> - Bamboo Pole (4-10 seconds)... <CanoeBerry> - Rainwater (4-10 seconds) ... <CanoeBerry> - (more words) <sandrat> cool idea <CanoeBerry> Then, the computer will ask the player to choose from a set of <CanoeBerry> images and <CanoeBerry> put them in the same order they appeared previously. In our example, the <CanoeBerry> kid has to choose the Habitat picture first, then the Bamboo Pole <CanoeBerry> picture, <CanoeBerry> and so on. <CanoeBerry> At the end, the computer will show the score (for example, “you <CanoeBerry> memorized <CanoeBerry> the order of 4/6 words) and a sentence related to the pictures. This <CanoeBerry> sentence will say something like: "Cover bamboo pole holders after use. <CanoeBerry> Rainwater can potentially accumulate in these bamboo pole holders if <CanoeBerry> they <CanoeBerry> are uncovered and create a habitat..." Then, the player can choose <CanoeBerry> to play <CanoeBerry> again or to exit the game. <CanoeBerry> [sorry the proposal's so long, a bit more coming!] <CanoeBerry> When 2 kids are playing, player 1 will play first and the score will be <CanoeBerry> shown, then player 2 will play and his score will be shown. At the <CanoeBerry> end, the <CanoeBerry> computer will congratulate the winner. <CanoeBerry> - Learn more about Python, PyGTK, Glade and other related <CanoeBerry> technologies in <CanoeBerry> order to build this and other international projects for XO in the <CanoeBerry> future. <CanoeBerry> - Publish a paper in a recognized software engineering conference with <CanoeBerry> the results of applying Scrum (an iterative, incremental framework for <CanoeBerry> project management and agile software development) on an <CanoeBerry> international free software project. These paper will encourage more <CanoeBerry> engineers to work on OLPC projects. <CanoeBerry> - Use the memorization game to internalize malaria-related concepts. <CanoeBerry> - Create an OLPC research group at the School of Engineering and <CanoeBerry> Technology in Montemorelos University, Mexico (www.um.edu.mx). <sandrat> well thought out so far <cjb> 'lo all <CanoeBerry> Looks good, but can they pull it off? <cjb> this is a Sugar activity, and doesn't need XOs. <sandrat> yowee a lot <cjb> SoaS on a livecd will be fine <sandrat> what is request? <sandrat> ok 3 xos <KGMac> 3 for 12 months <KGMac> oops you beat me' <CanoeBerry> I support our standard "starter kit" of 2 old XO-1s if that genuinely accelerates this project. <CanoeBerry> We should ask 'em.. <sandrat> they should have some XOs so that they can test features soas doesn't support <cjb> sandrat: hm, like what? <CanoeBerry> If they already are familiar with XOs however, shipment may not be nec. <sandrat> screen sharing ... <cjb> sandrat: I don't understand; what does screen sharing have to do with the proposed activity? <sandrat> suggestion for starter kit sounds good. They have a big team, but don't know how many people will actually be doing development <cjb> also, I don't think the XOs have any more support for screen sharing than SoaS does <CanoeBerry> sandrat: will you mentor? <sandrat> ok <CanoeBerry> This groups needs that first and foremost. <sandrat> OK..I have the ticket open and can put myself in <CanoeBerry> Thanks. Plz work with them and advise their most critical needs. Two old XO-1s is not a problem for anybody worldwide doing genuine work. <CanoeBerry> Let's move on. [ PROJECT #6 - SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #6, ok? <CanoeBerry> Plz all review/critique/mentor/vote for... <CanoeBerry> SemanticXO - Amsterdam, Netherlands <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67749 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 5 XOs over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Semantic technologies are becoming more and more used to <CanoeBerry> improve the efficiency of information sharing on Internet. <CanoeBerry> The goal of this project is to investigate the application of <CanoeBerry> the same technologies on a mesh network, without access to Web <CanoeBerry> services such as DNS. <CanoeBerry> With the ability to exchange structured and unambiguous <CanoeBerry> information, we expect to improve communication in the context of <CanoeBerry> medical, culturage heritage or marketing applications. <CanoeBerry> Although not having expertise related to the typical usage <CanoeBerry> context of the XOs, the KRR group already has some expertise in using <CanoeBerry> semantic technologies for improving access to <CanoeBerry> culturage heritage and modeling medical processes. <CanoeBerry> cgueret: care to introduce your work please? <CanoeBerry> We'd really appreciate that! <bernie> I'm also curious <sandrat> this project sounds really good, esp if it will improve mesh network efficiency <sandrat> question; would features be available to other activities other than listed groups? <CanoeBerry> Just left voicemail with the applicant in the Europe (Netherlands?) <CanoeBerry> cgueret: that means you ^^^ * cgueret has left #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> cgueret: just left voicemail for you! <CanoeBerry> cgueret: please introduce your work now for the group! <sandrat> interested in application use of the semantic stack * Aqua-Orange-04 has joined #olpc-meeting <Aqua-Orange-04> hoi! <Aqua-Orange-04> hello <sandrat> hola <Aqua-Orange-04> i'm cgueret <KGMac> hup oranje <sandrat> hujambo <Aqua-Orange-04> sorry, my irc client crashed <Aqua-Orange-04> so I quickly connected back through the appli on the forum <Aqua-Orange-04> and did not took the time to change the name :) <CanoeBerry> cgueret: can you introduce yr work quickly? <Aqua-Orange-04> yep <CanoeBerry> Go for it now, thx! <CanoeBerry> bernie: please interrogate, with the question you had above.. <Aqua-Orange-04> so, I'm doing research on semantic web technologies. That's a set of standard and practices for doing knowledge representation <Aqua-Orange-04> sorry but actually I have to leave you now :( <CanoeBerry> Great, why do you need 5 XOs? <Aqua-Orange-04> time to feed the family <Aqua-Orange-04> may I come back in 1/2h ? <CanoeBerry> cgueret: we may be gone in 20min, but you can try <Aqua-Orange-04> canoe:'m interested in the context of meshed networks <CanoeBerry> cgueret: you need to defence your need for 5 XO-1s and how this will work. <Aqua-Orange-04> so far nobody applied sw stuff outisde of the web <CanoeBerry> If not now, then later. <Aqua-Orange-04> ok, maybe later then <Aqua-Orange-04> sorry :-/ <Aqua-Orange-04> sorry : - / * GrannieB has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> We can send you 2 XO-1s as our standard "starter kits" for legit volunteers perhaps, in any case talk later! <CanoeBerry> GrannieB: back from the jungle! <CanoeBerry> Let's move onto Project #7 now.. <sandrat> +1 agree <CanoeBerry> Project #6 looks good but needs a proper defence of its approach. <Aqua-Orange-04> acvutally I can stay 5 more minutes <CanoeBerry> Great, let's finish now! <KGMac> 3 makes a nicer start mesh though., <Aqua-Orange-04> so, the 5 XOs where to test a semantic web stack in the context of a meshed network <CanoeBerry> bernie: please ask your questions now, or forever hold yr peace.. <Aqua-Orange-04> in fact, I could start with one to implement a stack in the first place <Aqua-Orange-04> for that I need an XO to have the actual processing constraints <CanoeBerry> Aqua-Orange-04: have you ever played with an XO-1 or XO-1.5? * cjb has left #olpc-meeting ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") <Aqua-Orange-04> nope <CanoeBerry> Too bad, ok. <sandrat> so explain how the stack works, it takes what and provides what? <CanoeBerry> We should start you off with 2 XO-1s if the group approves of your approach. <CanoeBerry> Votes? <Aqua-Orange-04> so, a stack is basically a "triple store" and an api <KGMac> sorry to interject, mesh is way more intuitive on the 1.0, we have 8 yr olds in Kenya meshing like crazy <CanoeBerry> WARNING: Applicant must leave in 2 min! <Aqua-Orange-04> the triple store provides a way to store triples, atomic pieces of information <sandrat> +1 for starter kit <Aqua-Orange-04> the api is just an api to put stuff into it <CanoeBerry> Can we all here agree to ship 2 or 3 XO-1s with certain milestones as to how the applicant/group will blog their results? <Aqua-Orange-04> such a stack would act as a uniform and highly flexible data store to store anything <KGMac> +1 <sandrat> ok <jt4sugar> +1 <Aqua-Orange-04> ok for me too :) <CanoeBerry> cgueret: are you subscribed to devel@laptop.org or similar OLPC / hardware mailing lists? <CanoeBerry> +1 <Aqua-Orange-04> not yet <CanoeBerry> Please do. Let's conclude now. <Aqua-Orange-04> ok, I'll do <CanoeBerry> Join these 1 or both of these 2 lists if poss: <CanoeBerry> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_Gang <GrannieB> sorry I missed everything. didn't check my email in last hour. getting cameras ready for trip. need more adwance reminders <CanoeBerry> *Final Votes Please* <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <sandrat> +1 <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <bernie> CanoeBerry: oops, I was distracted... too bad. <CanoeBerry> bernie: ask now! <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: can you point me at the semantic web stack you're testing? <Aqua-Orange-04> there is not a single stack I can point you at :/ <Aqua-Orange-04> "4store" is an example of triple store <Aqua-Orange-04> I would start by trying to install that one on an XO <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: there are a few? how are these implemented? client-side, server-side? <Aqua-Orange-04> there are data server, using the "SPARQL" protocol over http to serve data <Aqua-Orange-04> popular triple stores are 4store, virtuoso and owlim <CanoeBerry> bernie gets the final vote! <Aqua-Orange-04> the first two have a chance to run on the XO <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: what language are these written in? <Aqua-Orange-04> c <Aqua-Orange-04> apart from owlim which is in java <CanoeBerry> bernie: shall we ship 2 or 3 old/refurb'd XO-1s? <KGMac> there are 4store clients in java and python as well, not sure about the whold stack though <bernie> CanoeBerry: dunno, I'm really not qualified to make a judgment on this <Aqua-Orange-04> these clients are for getting the data from an other machine (in the classical sens of client). <Aqua-Orange-04> to get an idea of the benefits on a machine you may check "nepomuk" <Aqua-Orange-04> that's a project where they added a stack to KDE4 <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: ah, finally something I heard of :-) <Aqua-Orange-04> I think Sugar could benefit from having a similar semantic backend <Aqua-Orange-04> bernie: : - ) <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: yes, we've been thinking about it. but all those you named seem proprietary. except for nepomuk <Aqua-Orange-04> and from a research point of view, I would be interested in studying how to make this run without access to Internet <Aqua-Orange-04> nepomuk uses virtuoso <Aqua-Orange-04> and 4store is free <Aqua-Orange-04> the triple store is the key component to find <Aqua-Orange-04> they are also many other solutions more lightweight <Aqua-Orange-04> but 4store seems to be the best compromise size / features <Aqua-Orange-04> that would be something to check anyway <CanoeBerry> Poor family needs to eat! Me too ;) <Aqua-Orange-04> they are quiet.... <CanoeBerry> Let's finalize now. All: do we go with 2 XO-1s or 3? <Aqua-Orange-04> maybe I got myself some extra minutes <Aqua-Orange-04> : - ) <Aqua-Orange-04> that would be fine for me <sandrat> 3 is better for testing <CanoeBerry> In any case, APPROVED for starter kit experimentation -- whether 2 or more older XO-1s, thanks alls! <CanoeBerry> Details to be finalized by bernie/others pre-shipment. <CanoeBerry> Done! <Aqua-Orange-04> wow! thanks : - D <CanoeBerry> Thanks & onto Project #8! <CanoeBerry> Sorry I meant onto Project #7!! <Aqua-Orange-04> I'll leave you now, bye! ... <bernie> CanoeBerry: well, 2 does not make that freat of a mesh... let's do 3. ... <CanoeBerry> bernie: thanks, will do! [ PROJECT #7 - Developing education resources - Australia/Timor ] <CanoeBerry> Plz all critique/mentor/vote for: <CanoeBerry> Developing education resources - Australia/Timor <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67839 <CanoeBerry> http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/ <CanoeBerry> http://seaton-olpc-ug.org/?q=node/54 <CanoeBerry> http://tinyurl.com/25ho638 <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tonyforster <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO over indefinite months <CanoeBerry> Project Background/Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Software testing and developing educational materials <bernie> CanoeBerry: ok I'm very interested now <bernie> Aqua-Orange-04: bye <CanoeBerry> +1 <bernie> +1 for #7 <CanoeBerry> bernie: do i ship 2 or more? <KGMac> +! <CanoeBerry> bernie: why does this page not load? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Tonyforster <CanoeBerry> Stalled perhaps.. * ndoiron Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) <bernie> CanoeBerry: well, 2 does not make that freat of a mesh... let's do 3. <CanoeBerry> Finally loaded 60sec later.. <CanoeBerry> bernie: thanks, will do! * dfarning has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> plz vote for Tony Forster's work above. <GrannieB> +1 for #7 <jt4sugar> +1 <bernie> CanoeBerry loads for me <CanoeBerry> That was easy. <bernie> CanoeBerry: only http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects doesn't load <KGMac> loading now <CanoeBerry> bernie: glitch in transmission, some bandwidth nonsense or overloading of wiki.sugarlabs.org, who knows.. <bernie> +1 for #7 again <CanoeBerry> bernie: does http://wiki.laptop.org load? <bernie> the wiki is haunted <sandrat> legitimate request <CanoeBerry> Who else has issues with http://wiki.laptop.org ?? <CanoeBerry> Final votes please! For our 2nd Australian of the day! <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <sandrat> great work <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <sandrat> +1 <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <CanoeBerry> APPROVED <jt4sugar> Loads fine here <dfarning> Am I too late to vote.... on four. sorry just joined. [ PROJECT #8 - Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #8 - plz all critique/mentor/vote for: <CanoeBerry> Zimbabwe Youth Development Foundation trust: Project Rabuda/Sunrise <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=67914 <CanoeBerry> http://zuvarabuda1.wordpress.com <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 100 XOs over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> * To produce the world’s most comprehensive and powerful knowledge <CanoeBerry> resource-pushing the boundaries of online community and technology <CanoeBerry> as a tool for <CanoeBerry> social empowerment <CanoeBerry> * To instigate significant evolution in the present concepts of school <CanoeBerry> education by increasing global connection, meaningful use of <CanoeBerry> ICTs(Information <CanoeBerry> and Communication Technologies) and inspiring student engagement <CanoeBerry> * To enable learning through the effective use of technology to promote <CanoeBerry> knowledge and skills which will ensure thriving communities in <CanoeBerry> Zimbabwe <CanoeBerry> * To demonstrate innovation, excellence, creativity , and <CanoeBerry> professionalism in <CanoeBerry> the management of a new style of an organization that is <CanoeBerry> entrepreneurial, <CanoeBerry> technology enhanced and youth driven <CanoeBerry> * To create a contributive environment for meaningful participation <CanoeBerry> in the <CanoeBerry> broader economy by disadvantaged individuals and youth <CanoeBerry> groups(mainstreaming) <CanoeBerry> * To cooperate and build alliances and partnerships with <CanoeBerry> organizations with <CanoeBerry> similar or related objectives <bernie> CanoeBerry: now even the main page doesn't load <bernie> CanoeBerry: it's definitely my mozambican router... <CanoeBerry> OK <CanoeBerry> dfarning: Projects 8 to 10 we're wrapping up quick now, plz help :) <dfarning> sure -- <CanoeBerry> These applicants have nerve! Asking for 100 free laptops, heh. But let's check it out regardless. <CanoeBerry> Application needs work+mentoring, eh? <CanoeBerry> What do others think? <sandrat> think he needs to start small...understand usage and how kids interact with XO <CanoeBerry> Blog is quite empty so far: http://zuvarabuda1.wordpress.com <sandrat> starter kit? <sandrat> I'll do a one pass mentor advice .. * mavrothal has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> mavrothal: hi and i think your Australian friend's Puppy was approved above, but ask others for details.. <GrannieB> yes, start small! 10 0r MUCH less! see what they can do <CanoeBerry> My vote is to place this ambitious project on hold, until it's more realistic. <CanoeBerry> Perhaps our standard starter kit of 2 refurb'd XO-1s then, and we'll fly GrannieB over to Zimbabwe on the space shuttle to mento them :) <GrannieB> let's refer them to funding ideas for a number this large <CanoeBerry> Votes & constructive criticism please. <CanoeBerry> Conclude please! <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <sandrat> starter kit is what they should ask for <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <KGMac> +1 for starter <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <sandrat> +1 starter <jt4sugar> +1 Starter <GrannieB> while in Zimbabwe can I stop in Uganda and visit anpther project? <dfarning> Seems a bit large for a first pass <GrannieB> way too large! <CanoeBerry> CONDITIONAL APPROVAL -- let them clarify their needs & effectivenes around a two XO-1 starter kit which I can then ship, thanks. <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #9 - plz all critique/mentor/vote for: <GrannieB> I don't think they are even ready for a starter kit! <CanoeBerry> GrannieB: I'm concerned too. I will make them defend their need+approach. <sandrat> need to learn enough to be more specific ..I agree <CanoeBerry> Let's move on. [ PROJECT #9 - XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North Dakota State University ] <CanoeBerry> Project #9 now -- please give this the once-over: <CanoeBerry> 9. XOs from Fargo to Sudan: after school to building a school - North <CanoeBerry> Dakota State University <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=68356 <CanoeBerry> http://fargoxo.wordpress.com <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 15 XOs over 9/indefinite months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The primary objective of this proposal is to transform the Madison <CanoeBerry> Elementary <CanoeBerry> after school program, as well as support Rev Gadi's after school <CanoeBerry> program, also <CanoeBerry> housed at Madison Elementary. The Madison program typically enrolls <CanoeBerry> 40-50 <CanoeBerry> students, many reluctant, many English Language Learners. The mere <CanoeBerry> presence <CanoeBerry> of 12 XOs will create interest among the students--the medium is the <CanoeBerry> message-- <CanoeBerry> but we will also work with this unique population to try and develop <CanoeBerry> English <CanoeBerry> language learning e-books and activities unique to Sugar that will <CanoeBerry> then be <CanoeBerry> available and useful to XO deployments in Sudan, Rwanda, Congo, and <CanoeBerry> other <CanoeBerry> countries where the refugee students and families now living in Fargo <CanoeBerry> originate from. We will work with Rev. Gadi's students to prepare the <CanoeBerry> laptops for deployment in Sudan, loading them with projects developed in <CanoeBerry> Fargo, loading them with books so that the dream of a library built <CanoeBerry> by 15 <CanoeBerry> laptops becomes feasible. <CanoeBerry> Sorry proposal's so long! <CanoeBerry> [Last bit coming through now..] <CanoeBerry> The secondary objective is to train a team from within this group to <CanoeBerry> deliver <CanoeBerry> these 15 laptops to the school in southern Sudan. Team members who <CanoeBerry> do not go <CanoeBerry> on this trip with Rev. Gadi may have a chance to go later as Kevin <CanoeBerry> Brooks is <CanoeBerry> President of a non-profit called "African Soul, American Heart" and <CanoeBerry> he too is <CanoeBerry> looking to learn the ins and outs of the XO and Sugar so that he <CanoeBerry> will be able <CanoeBerry> to support a deployment to Duk Payuel, southern Sudan, in the next <CanoeBerry> 3-5 years. <CanoeBerry> We're all starting to sound like broken records today, but shall we send another starter kit of two XO-1s? <KGMac> wow southern sudan, that's very brave <jt4sugar> This is John Tierney I am here representing Fargo Project-Dr. Gerald Ardito also collaborating on initiative-Kevin Brooks hosting Computers and Writing Conference at NDSU this weekend and couldn't attend <CanoeBerry> Likewise their blog needs more meat :) <CanoeBerry> http://fargoxo.wordpress.com <sandrat> good strategy, good resources, leading to helping the neediest most desperate <GrannieB> What is their tech-ed experience? Coppell Tech in TX and UCSB/Goleta have been working on their projects for a while now... with success... But they both have the "know how" <dfarning> Is is common to approve project without a ongoing blog or web site? <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: great, thanks for joining, please elaborate on your needs/approach. <sandrat> we should support something to get this started <sandrat> blog is there but empty <jt4sugar> Fargo is Refugee city and our hope if we can put in place is to leverage into contact with State Dept. for funding for OLPC/Sugar <sandrat> good idea <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: sounds great. noting proposals of 10 XOs require a blogging track record of similar documented community participation. <sandrat> usually refugee support funds are paltry however <CanoeBerry> *or similar documented community participation. <CanoeBerry> (contribution even better than participation ;) <jt4sugar> Madison Elementary School where this will occur will also being doing SoaS pilots in 4th and 5th grade classes <CanoeBerry> Cool <bernie> jt4sugar: who's running the pilot? <sandrat> sounds like people we want to encourage <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: shall we split the difference, going with 5 refurb'd XO-1s until a solid blog is established? <dfarning> I would say plus one based largely on the past record of jt and ardito <CanoeBerry> agreed <KGMac> +1 <jt4sugar> The connection to NDSU and fact that Kevin Brooks is Chair of English Dept will help with literacy issues also want to start work on Dinak language <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: how will you fulfill community reporting requirements? <jt4sugar> The plan is for Kevin and group to start project page if accepted <GrannieB> i would go +1 for 10-15 once their blog and wiki page are "up to snuff" <CanoeBerry> Yes <CanoeBerry> +1 <sandrat> +1 <GrannieB> They really need more than five for a good start <jt4sugar> Question I guess is how many want to end up in Sudan <CanoeBerry> Blogging (or community publication of any kind) is not an option for applications of ~10 XOs. <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <GrannieB> Perhaps once they get started they can do some fundraisers to expand to 100? <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <GrannieB> +1 for more than 5 <CanoeBerry> CONDITIONALLY APPROVED based on solid blogging evidence and forward plans, towards sharing results with OLPC/Sugar globally. <CanoeBerry> Thanks! <CanoeBerry> Onto final Project #10 - plz all review/mentor/vote for: <jt4sugar> How many would that be? ... <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: the final count will depend on the quality of your blog, thanks. <CanoeBerry> pretty colors not required. solid reporting is. ... <jt4sugar> Thank You they will be very excited!! ... <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: thanks for spearheading! [ PROJECT #10 - Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya ] <CanoeBerry> Onto final Project #10 - plz all review/mentor/vote for: <jt4sugar> How many would that be? <CanoeBerry> Upper Canada College / Ntugi Kenya <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=68363 <CanoeBerry> http://ntugiSchool.com <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 4 XO-1.5s over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Background/Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Currently there are 50 XO 1.0, and 4 XO 1.5 laptops deployed in the <CanoeBerry> Ntugi <CanoeBerry> Day School. Due to ongoing changes to the XO kernel's from version <CanoeBerry> to version, <CanoeBerry> certain functions are only available on certain machines. We would <CanoeBerry> like to <CanoeBerry> have the same activities and functions available on all XO's <CanoeBerry> deployed to <CanoeBerry> alleviate complicated re-imaging deployment issues, along with having a <CanoeBerry> more equal experience for all XO users. <CanoeBerry> [a bit more coming..] <CanoeBerry> We currently have provided Ntugi with three distinct images, one at 711 <CanoeBerry> for XO-1 use with the Vernier equipment, on at 802 for XO-1 user for <CanoeBerry> standard activities and the added features and activities of 802 over <CanoeBerry> 711, and one at 306 for use with the 1.5's to enable USB microscope use <CanoeBerry> and Gnome features. <CanoeBerry> Our goal is to standardize on the 852 build for all XO 1.0's, and 1.5's <CanoeBerry> and have the core functions and activities identical. This will <CanoeBerry> also aid <CanoeBerry> in the saturation process as there will be less haves and have-not <CanoeBerry> issues. <CanoeBerry> We have developed an install script which local-installs all the <CanoeBerry> required <CanoeBerry> RPM's to minimize data plan expenses, and are hoping to simultaneously <CanoeBerry> deploy temp/swap/program SD cards so that the XO 1.0's can have <CanoeBerry> sufficient <CanoeBerry> processing power to run the more intensive applications. <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: the final count will depend on the quality of your blog, thanks. <CanoeBerry> pretty colors not required. solid reporting is. <bernie> I wonder what kernel changes they're referringto <bernie> and also which intensive applications <KGMac> 711 allows for the ldusb drivers <jt4sugar> Thank You they will be very excited!! <KGMac> that was deprecated by 802 replace by vtusb <CanoeBerry> jt4sugar: thanks for spearheading! <GrannieB> I would like to know more about the USB microscope use <CanoeBerry> KGMac: care to introduce your work? <KGMac> that was deprecatec by 852 and is now a an libusb user space <KGMac> so. we have 711 machines htat can run USB Vernier sensors, and 852 and 306 on the 1.5 that can run USB microscopes <bernie> KGMac: that should make things easier if you need to add support for a new usb device <KGMac> however the 802 xo1s; can run neither <CanoeBerry> KGMac: pay your Texas hacker well!! <KGMac> Mikus Girinbergs in Austin his helping us delvelop a modified kernel extenion so that the Verniers and the microscopes on the XO 1's ... hes quite a character <CanoeBerry> Anybody with a Younge+Bloor address had better, eh? Wink amongst Canadians :) <GrannieB> have you published your work with the microscope? Do you have a link? Are you in TX? Anywhere near DFW? <KGMac> right now, we have only an empty shell on the wiki for microscopes, because it only works on the 1.5's <KGMac> we are in Canada. <KGMac> we found Mikus throuhg the community <CanoeBerry> Are 2 XO-1.5s sufficient until OLPC replenishes its inventory? <KGMac> that would be magnificent <KGMac> we will be in San Francisso, so anyone who wants to see our stuff is welcome to <CanoeBerry> OLPC's pretty much high+dry right now regarding Contributors Program inventory, but I'll see what I can do. <CanoeBerry> +1 <CanoeBerry> Votes from all please! <mavrothal> +1 <GrannieB> I can't attend the SF bash.... boo-hoo! <jt4sugar> +1 <CanoeBerry> GrannieB hates us. <CanoeBerry> ;) <GrannieB> come to SCaLE 9X in Feb and all will be forgiven! <CanoeBerry> Hah! <CanoeBerry> Shall we concluded this 100min meeting now? <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <dfarning> +1 to this project -- the school has a proven track record of raising capital <CanoeBerry> APPROVED, pending inventory issues! [ CLOSING REMARKS ] <CanoeBerry> Have a killer Long Wkd all! <sandrat> +1 <jt4sugar> About OLPC SF any suggestions on accommodations <KGMac> thank you all, hope to see many of you in SF <GrannieB> +1 <CanoeBerry> Columbus was a killer after all, but don't tell Italians/Spaniards ;) <KGMac> psst, it's thanksgiving up here :-) <CanoeBerry> Righto, Thanksgiving here in Boston too -- huge Canadian Feast @ Hvd <bernie> +1 <bernie> a little late... <CanoeBerry> THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING TO SAN FRANCISCO IN EXACTLY 2 WEEKS! <bernie> CanoeBerry: hopefully... <CanoeBerry> Meeting everyone for the 1st time will be mind-blowing. <meeting> CanoeBerry: Error: "everyone" is not a valid command. <bernie> CanoeBerry: my visa documentation arrived today... interview next week * sandrat Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) <CanoeBerry> We have a volunteer video crew just formed, 2000 stickers just gone into production, entirely volunteer-based catering.. * GrannieB Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) <CanoeBerry> You've never seen anything like it. Don't miss it! <CanoeBerry> bernie: don't blow yr interview!! <dfarning> mavrothal, can you tell me more about the puppy project. <bernie> CanoeBerry: I'm gonna tell them that I'm an education terrorist <mavrothal> Yeh, Mick is really serious about it <KGMac> will Bernie be coming to San Fran, Mark Battley is still unable to commit, but I think if he can watch Bernie to bicycle tricks, that might just push him into the yes for sure side <mavrothal> Was really interested in the Aussie machines going to aboriginals that he has a thing for <mavrothal> The idea is to see if we can get a minimal Puppy running better than now and then see if we can port sugar over it <dfarning> mavrothal, could you do an introduction ? I'm pretty involved in the sugar on ubuntu project:) * KGMac2 Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) <mavrothal> and/or other edu apps <mavrothal> dfarning: where to start from? How far back? <dfarning> mavrothal, we have working sugar .88 in maverick to be release the day after tomorrow.... I am <dfarning> mavrothal, in two weeks we will have sugar .90 on maverick. <dfarning> mavrothal, now I am interested in getting ubuntu/puppy to work on the xo hardware. * tabs has joined #olpc-meeting <mavrothal> dfarning: the problem with puppy is that it has a really chopped up python <mavrothal> So Sugar is going to be a problem <mavrothal> Puppy/pucid is running almost OK on the XO http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60155 <mavrothal> Some issues with PM but I'm working on itLucid :) <mavrothal> with pgf * dfarning reads more about puppy... I had thought that it was basically a trimmed down ubuntu. <mavrothal> It's made out of Ubuntu binaries <mavrothal> But is Puppy in core <mavrothal> So you can install most of Lucid packages without problem but then it becomes imposible to run in RAM <dfarning> mavrothal, ok got it. was it a lot of work to modify the sugar packages in lucid to work in ram/puppy? <mavrothal> Was? This is not done yet. <bernie> KGMac: lol <mavrothal> We are still trying to get puppy run reliably on the XO <bernie> KGMac: first I want 2 pints of delicious beer <dfarning> mavrothal, I just read the XOpup RC is ready post :) <KGMac> i will buy beer. <mavrothal> :| <dfarning> mavrothal, can you send me your email? I read some more about xopup and get back to you this weekend. <mavrothal> send you where? <mavrothal> I guess I'll get it from the devel list <dfarning> mavrothal, sorry ^^ I don't know if we have chatted before.... I have dylexia and things some time comeout weird:( <dfarning> mavrothal, dfarning@gmail.com <mavrothal> makes 2 of us! will be fun ;) <KGMac> ciao folks, have a great long weekend! * KGMac has left #olpc-meeting <dfarning> bye all.... and thanks * dfarning has left #olpc-meeting ("Ex-Chat") * jt4sugar has left #olpc-meeting