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Categorization discussion

Discussion about categories to add, etc. Let discuss how none of the suggested topics were addressed here from the edit choices. When some one first comes to a site what they view first leaves a first impression about what they are looking for! This also will be deleted in a few weeks as the review personal get a grasp on this OLPC Site. ____________________________________________

Developer's category

____________________________________________ A developer's category could be one of the main categories on the front page. Some possible sub-categories:

Well up to now aside from the developers that are diligently working on the project there has not been a lot of input in collected expressions of the OLPC laptop made public yet. OLPC has now been assigned to present 6 but no more then 10 different intranet styles to be viewed on this site by potential benefactors or stake holder for review. Most would also not be interested in viewing this material on a OLPC laptop because their own systems are set just so to help in the presentation based on the donors needs and attributes. Lets try people to take the chance and set up Fedora core on more systems. I am going to attempt this in a few weeks but to any one that wants to now on November 7,2006 interface lets do it and set up a place where we can discuss what happened. Remember you have to get Python,QEMU for Windows XP which right now is the most sort after program to have check for compatibility . Compatibility meaning will this Fedora core effect a OLPC neighbors computer? We then run sugarjh. Please check in or list your user name so we can see your notes and comments or ask questions. We also will not be displaying private edit notes only when necessary. Good Luck

Possible ones:

Developer's category

A developer's category could be one of the main categories on the front page. Some possible sub-categories:

  • Hardware development: anything to do with hardware development on the OLPC
  • Hardware technology: discusses the various hardware technologies
  • Hardware ideas
  • Software development: anything to do with software development on the OLPC
  • Software technology: discusses the various technologies and libraries OLPC uses (e.g. GECKO, Python) or does not use (e.g. Maemo)
  • Software ideas

Installing Sugar on your favorite environment is important for developer involvement; unfortunately these pages are very unorganized. I'm proposing the pages are now consistently named, for example, "Sugar on Ubuntu", "Sugar on SuSE", "Sugar on Fedora Core 5", etc. These pages will list instructions for what prerequisite packages are required and how to get Sugar installed and up and running. Perhaps these can get their own Category, "Installing Sugar"?

Layout Priorities for OLPC Wiki

Feel free to comment, change or add on to the list of wiki imperatives. Discussion in this matter is essential.

Pages That Need to be Condensed/Combined

Based on the milestones that have been achieved by the OLPC crew of developers we now are getting closer to the moment of real inception of a mass usage test stage.

As the OPLC laptop has been distributed in test markets the numbers are climbing as we work to a reasonable test market figure.

Here is where the tough part comes: 100,000 young , ready ,able and willing user.

Ready to learn, explore ,play and put to the test all the concepts that have been brought together.

Here is where there are bound to be issues in usage and repair. We also have to now be ready for computer techs in the OPLC laptop's new home digging in to take a look.

On any system security issues are foremost and we should not believe that security would be any different here in the test market.

As we prepare at OLPC to interface some very high tech security programs that will start appearing on your systems in a few week to protect the developers investments on their other systems.

AVD, DAD Fa and WINnut maybe their codes look for them to activate them.

It is very important that the BIOS issue is confirmed and agreed to by all involved by November 31,2006 so we can lock the security programs into place.

We also want to see more examples of the agreed upon BIOS made available on this site for viewing before this date.

In case some of the severs are getting feedback so we can know what to look for. For those that will be just setting up we can make or find some space on this site to chat about the pros and cons or any problems that might come up.

Also remember that Squeak the EToy runs on a Windows 2000 platform or older. Binary has been placed on Windows 98. What ever other system you may be using keep that in mind based on the year , model and program year you are using.

We would also like to invite Macintoch users to putt out there old Apple and give hope a try!

  1. OLPC_FAQ is quickly becoming Massive. I've started reorganizing, which has helped but there's still plenty of questions that over lap and could be rewriten and it's still almost so large its useless.--Stranger 22:52, 13 June 2006 (EDT)
If you collect questions by topic that makes it easier for others to notice the overlap and to edit them down to more manageable size. It especially helps if there are sub headings so you can click on edit and get a whole category at once.
I was thinking that we could make a category called FAQ and in the category make different topics. That way when people search for a topic, say, mesh networking, they'll also get the FAQ page about mesh networking. Get what I mean? And once we get all that data into separate pages, we can replace the current FAQ page with a redirect to Category:FAQ Would you help me with this?--Aburton 15:59, 25 June 2006 (EDT)
Done.--Aburton 10:58, 29 June 2006 (EDT)


  1. I think there are several Educational Software/Education Software and possibly other pages that could use combining.--Stranger 17:12, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
There are. Hopefully people will post what consolidations they make/think need to be made on the Community Portal.--Aburton 15:59, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Articles That Need to be Written/Expanded

List article ideas here, in particular, those articles that could be written by any intelligent person who has the time and the inclination to do an hour or two of research to collect material for the page.

  1. Software - It has been started but we need to connect all the projects that are going on around the OLPC.

Pages that need to be wikified

These pages need more linking to other pages. Check out the Special:Deadendpages.

Language Management

This project is truly international and multilingual. There will be many language issues, both regarding the OLPC system software, the OLPC application software, the OLPC educational content, and the content of this Wiki itself. How can we manage all this in an orderly way. What things need to be in English and what things should be in other languages?


General improvements that are needed

  • We could use someone who actually knows how to decently format pages so they look decent. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to that. Wikipedia has a great front page and community portal that we could emulate.
  • Improve first impressions--Stranger 22:59, 13 June 2006 (EDT)
    1. make it easier to get where you're going
  • Improve the Software Page --Stranger 22:59, 13 June 2006 (EDT)
    1. Make it will be easier for new developers to jump on board.(this includes those who just got their OLPCs and want to start hacking.
    2. State the goals for the software; what software is going to be included, how things are implemented and what needs work.
  • Linking is needed between pages. Too many pages are being lost because no one can find them.--Stranger 00:05, 14 June 2006 (EDT)


Random

  1. I think the {{OLPC}} tag could use some formating. I think a box would disrupt the flow of the page less then the lines that are currently there but I don't know how to do boxs and other such crazy wiki stuff, so maybe someone else can do it.--Stranger 23:03, 13 June 2006 (EDT)
I like the slimmer tag--Stranger 15:42, 14 June 2006 (EDT)


Specific Page Goals

  • what is the purpose of the community portal?
  • what audience is a page intended for?
  • what types of pages are missing and should be added?
  • what pages need to be added to assist in navigating the wiki?

The pages in this section will be ones which need to be planned jointly and put together by multiple authors before being released to the Wiki. See below for article ideas that could be done by a single author working alone.

  1. General Public Introduction (to help the general public find the pages that are relevant to them without hunting through the entire Table of Contents)
  2. Content Developer Introduction (a navigation page targetted to people making ebooks and authoring educational content for the OLPC)

Work Plans for Specific Page Goals

General Public Introduction

This is a place holder. Ideally, we will build a page outline here and the someone will create the page, copy the outline over, and add content to the page. But only when it is ready.

Content Developer Introduction

This is a place holder. Ideally, we will build a page outline here and the someone will create the page, copy the outline over, and add content to the page. But only when it is ready.

Page Layout Standard

  • How should pages look?
  • Should we have page templates for people to use when creating a new page?
I think Templates would help out a bunch.--Stranger 12:42, 14 June 2006 (EDT)





Why does this page exist? It doesn't seem to have a clear purpose or else it is drifted away from its original purpose.

--Aburton 15:32, 12 June 2006 (EDT): I think this page would be a good place to communicate exactly how we want the wiki organized, and the order in which things should be done.

Whoever fixed up the page did a good job starting it out and was exactly what was needed. I'll clean this page up in a bit.--Stranger 21:40, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

finaly figured out how to get the TOC on the right--Stranger 12:26, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Hey, I was just thinking.... Currently it's kinda difficult to find the catagories... Maybe it would be easier to navigate this site if a catagories link was added to the Navigation bar on the left.--Stranger 17:09, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

Also one more thing. I think an Active Software Projects catagorie would be nice.--Stranger 17:19, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

I'm not sure what you mean by "Active software projects", but you're right about finding the categories. Where appropriate, I've been making redirects to category pages, so when someone searches for, say, "livestock powered electronics" they'll get Category:Livestock powered electronics instead of a single page overview about livestock powered electronics. --Aburton 15:59, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

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HELLO EVERY ONE THIS IS HUNTER. I have my own talk page that you may view. I have created 2 goals due by December 31,2006 or their could be changes. As part of the goals I have set in regards to BIOS completion and the OLPC's crew show the ability to create social programs or take directions from those that want to and can.

These are two goals that I have put into place.

Since this is the main place this site, or at least that's what is stated, where you talk.

I have read what you have said.

As I said, "Two goals Due by 12.31.06 this should also be expressed as done in future posts in a clear cut way that any one who might would read it would get that message."

As today this is not the written message any where on this site.

The purpose of the space I am using today is to conduct

Lesson One of Quantim Math that I think might could help you.

Also before you have a problem with this make sure you check out my page as I will be deleting some of my posts soon for space on the OLPC driver I have inserted.

Quantim Math Lesson One

Quantim mathematics is a scientific way to develop a chain signal of reactions with in a transferred movement of negative mass.

{HR} would be a slight example

In order to theorize Quantim mathematics you first must make a continuum axis (We will not be doing that today)

In order to set up a Quantim structure base all other assets must be de-valued and made zero. ( you may try this but this is in lesson 4)

Lesson 1

down value(666,777,888,999,000) =nrn numbers

Negative reactive numbers

Negative reactive numbers=nrn

Lesson 1 Finshed Thank you Hunter _____________________________________________________________________

May I suggest (again) that models distinctly different externally (in color/shape of case, with a different logo, say) be made and sold on the market for a 50% premium ... with the proceeds used to build and distribute the OLPCs. I think you might be able to pay for much of or the whole thing that way ... PLUS the larger market would bring the price per unit down anyway.

The distinction needs, of course, to be virtually inimitable in the practical sense, like case shape and logo (and of course protected in every country re copyright).

One bonus is that everyone who owns one of the latter can clearly be seen to have contributed to building the OLPCs, hence a bit of "pride of ownership". A sort of a more expensive "yellow wrist band" idea ... and more useful.

Good luck with the project!

I applaud the overall concept, the engineering and the product development. However, I only wish the market planning was equally as well thought out. If you believe that you will be able to limit the ownership of these computers solely to schoolchildren in developing countries, you are living in a world so devoid of reality that it makes fantasy gaming look "out on the street" by comparision. As soon as you start distributing these machines they'll be showing up in markets and street stalls from Timbuktu to Toledo. Then knock-offs will start appearing, with factories sprouting up in China making nothing else (and probably at an even lower price). Get real -- you guys came up with a great idea, but if you think you're going to be able to control this thing, you've got about as much chance as King Canute. If your machine sees the light of day, you're going to revolutionise ownership and use of computers, espeically since there's a very large unsatisfied market for a low-cost rugedised laptap among all the rest of us that aren't children in developing countries.




Love it!

We really do need to move towards a more mature, stable platform to go to the next phase of ubiquitous computing. Linux is the way to go. The present $2000 price point and online software updates and so-called "virus protection" is ridiculous for the average person. You lead and we'll follow!

David Haile Fort Collins, CO


It's ridiculous! I live in africa and the last thing we need are PCs. Children here need food, water, medication, clothes- they need food so they wont die of hunger, get it?? A laptop is useless, and by the way, 100USD is too expensive for somenone who has no money to eat on. Regarding this coment from someone who lives in Africa, I stay in South Africa and there are plenty of Instituitions that can donate $100 from their sales to a laptop that will enrich the inteligence and assist in the education of a child in a third world country. I aggree with the concept of distribuing them to the capacity of not being a luxury item as it is seen in a thrid world country but rather a tool for information and a necessity for education at schools etc... I am sure De Beers, AngloGold and other huge profitable African Companies can afford help. South Africa

You have all the support from the northeast of Brazil

I have heard about this project from a friend. You guys are doing a wonderful thing. I was so impressed by this project That I thought to myself: I have to say my word of support ot tell them that people in many part of the world are sending good energy for the accomplishment of this project. A community in the northeast of Brazil is supporting you. Thanks for this initiative. I really want to get involved, but unfortunaly I have no knowlwdge about software. AS soon as The non-software involvement is needed. Please Contact I am more than willing to help.

Sincerely, Gustavo Guimarães,21 leader of the youth council- Pernambuco, Brazil- Another one who believes in this project.

Could I get one for my Friend's Kids?

Living on the country-side in South India as a European since 15 years I DO see the use of a very cheap PC for poor childern. A few points from my perspective:

- Sell them, do not give them for free. Most people do not maintain free items seriously. Do try to get the price even lower (but not so low that they will be canibalised just for the parts)

- Keep the government out of the picture (too much corruption); sell them through normal electronic shops.

- There are many power-cuts/ problems here: supply a hand crank please.

- Can you build in WiMAX? In the rural area's there are great distances to cover. Alternatively leave out any wifi and supply more local storage.

Africa needs technology to solve its numerous problems. This cannot wait until everyone's belly full. The reality is that there are hungry people even in the first world. This guy living in Africa must have sent his original message by a telegram.

Great Project

I live in Nigeria and I am excited that my country is involved in the OLPC project. Education and communication is traditionally greatly valued in Nigeria and this project, I believe, hits at the heart of what is essential in moving the next generation of Nigerians across the digital chasm.

We have debated, in international circles, what needs to be done to help 3rd world countries breach the poverty gap. For the first time, we have finally been able to create a project that has the best chance of making a difference.

The access, motivation and education that these laptops will give these kids will be far greater than $100 of grain, rice, bread or any other form of aid.

I will support this project in any way that I can.

The laptop is not for individual sale... Ministries of education will purchase, just like they do with textbooks... Or should they not spend any money for education?

It's ridiculous! I live in africa and the last thing we need are PCs. Children here need food, water, medication, clothes- they need food so they wont die of hunger, get it?? A laptop is useless, and by the way, 100USD is too expensive for somenone who has no money to eat on.


Answer,

as you see, dear african (btw: are you really?), your message here reached my bedroom in Italy today thanks to a pc (maybe a really really cheap one), isn't it?

--87.4.183.151 06:04, 17 March 2006 (EST) Francesco R. - Castelfranco Veneto - Italy

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Another Answer:

if the last thing you need in africa are PCs, will africa ever start needing them? Children need food, water, medication, etc. - this is true and the most important right now, but that is by far not the only important thing for the african future! Simply providing food, water, medication, etc. does never cure the underlying reasons for their lack. If we strive to provide only the basics it might help a bit immediately but will not sustain for too long... it tends to make things rather worse in the long run - it only deepens economic dependency. Of course that does not mean we should stop providing the basics though. But if you ask for limiting help to the basic priorities, you could therefore just as well ask for stopping all the help... sad but true. Africa needs all help it can get and on all levels to become independent, free and strong!

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Yet another answer: Empowerment and Self Help

Africa was colonialized as were many other areas of the world such as Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, ...Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. as well in more recent times Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria etc by the USSR. (Even the USA by England ..) Now that Africa is no longer colonialized and there is no "apertheid" what prevents its free nations from being on the road to self-sufficiency? That is a critical question every African must ask - and must demand creative and committed answers from its leaders.

Seems that without meaningful education and a feeling of empowerment by people the only African hope is await CARE packages from more dynamic and successful continents. That is a sad hope for the African continent. An initiative like OLPC can't solve Africa's chronic health and food problems. For that there are organizations like the UN, and even that is not the solution. Africa's, and any continent's and nation's, only real hope and escape from dire circumstances is self-help and forming local helping communities based on a strong sense of kinship. If these are missing there is no real hope.

Only Africans can help Africans. Others can apply band aid solutions.

OLPC can plant valuable seeds whose fruit will ripen maybe after a decade or more. Sometimes there are no quick fix solutions and often quick fixes tend to make problems worse.

L Pfeffer March 18, 2006

Yet another yet another answer,

Quote from somewhere: 

"Give someone bread, he eats for a day, teach someone how to make bread, he eats for a lifetime"

The OLPC project is acting (in my mind) in a way that will free the emergency needs of Africa and similar in the long-terms. It is a long-term GREAT project. Instruction: 100$ to grant ACCESS, communication, and unlimited BOOKS. Future employment: open source software and culture is the emerging countries freedom. As you teach people to act the collaborative way, as you teach them they can do the same things investing on their learning curve and not in the major softwarehouse products, they will never be "computer slaves". This project was "saved" from having an OS-X based OS, and hardly attatched from Microsoft.

But... the need will be to prevent family from selling the laptops to feed themself!!!

Please, SELL these PCs in the first world, $200 each. With the earned money finance the project. I'd buy it!

Luca Vascon, Venice, Italy. March 18, 2006

Vascon said: Please, SELL these PCs in the first world, $200 each. With the earned money finance the project. I'd buy it! ---- ---

--- ME TOO --Dagoflores 03:42, 19 March 2006 (EST) AGS MEX


I think MANY(1st world) people will buy it.

Hunger and medical attention are the most needed, I agree. And trying to get gouvernments to stop violence and start respecting people's lives and rights. But while now being idle, the young generation is not getting any education, the African continent stands still in it's own developement and will not evolve into prosperity.

Forming it's own local networks and with free access to the internet, this generation can and will be educated. One has to learn how to read and write, otherwise you can't use the laptop. But even THAT can be done from this laptop. And after that, all is available at their own fingertips. And do not only think in ways of education, but specially in information.

Due to the developement of the internet and the free source of information, the first world has hurdled into the next millenium. Also the third world countries can start to close this gap and speed up their developement. The increase in free available information, will have a positive effect on the personal developement of people.

The current HIV and Aids crisis in African countries can be slowed down through the use of direct information. In stead of staying ignorant or being mislead by self-called healers, children will be informed of the real risks of non-protected sexual contacts. Parents will learn how to protect their children from the risks of infection.

People can look for solutions of local problems. What can be done about getting water to the surface? Where can I get a pump for my village?

In a later stage it will also have a positive side for the international Aid organisations and their workers. Instead of having to travel all over these countries looking for problems to solve, the information will directly to them. This will safe time and resources and therefore money.

But I agree with Luca Vascon from Italy. We have to prevent that these laptops are being sold. Or stolen to use as trade goods. The only way to do this, is make them so generally available, that it is not worth stealing or selling them.

I also would really like to have one. I am going to travel the world for a year and this laptop would be perfect to carry around. Developed for rugged situations and self-sustaining for power, so that I can use it everywhere. I would like to have more memory, but that cannot be that expensive. And I would pay for it as well. And for the $ 200, they can give away 2 instead of 1.

Richard Seinstra, Capelle aan den IJssel (The Netherlands) 21-03-2006

Africa needs technology to leapfrog to suatainable development. Africa will benefit tremendously from this project.

As an outsider, we always seem to have an answer... "the power of internet, education, exposure, communication etc etc....". We fail to understand what does an average African really needs. And believe me its not obvious. I guess we can all try, but the best answer would come from Africa itself. The laptop in itself is no good, we need to focus on software... i.e. the applications, the content, the course material... all that needs to be looked at, and then only we'll feel the true power of $100 laptop.

Prabhdeep, Montreal April 4, 2006

I live in Vancouver BC. I'm quite lucky to reside in one of the high tech cities of Canada.

Consider this. Say the technology was taken care of and the laptop was to go for sale for $100. Is there any charity that would be willing to have 1st world families buy the laptop and have them shipped to countries with needs?

This could take care of the resource management (the money going to the corrupt government).

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I think this is a very good idea, I strongly believe in the power of education. But I also fear that many governments won't be willing to spend the money because of corruption and other issues. The idea of a charity buying the laptops seems a bit unlikely to me. How about teaming with a TV station and organizing a telethon to raise money? I think people would be willing to contribute to this project, especially because it's more tangible than other initiatives: the money made will be dedicated to the production and shipping of the laptops.

Diana, Madrid April 10th, 2006


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OLPC seems to be just one of many great projects to emerge of the MIT Media Lab over recent years that demonstrate intent to use the wealth of knowledge and resource available to the western world to help our less well off friends. Exploring this site however, while I can find believe that a $100 dollar laptop can be made and understand why laptops are great, I cant find a document that actually details the actual need, or attempts to answers many of the questions that have been raised on this page. Is there such a doucument available to the public?? Without wanting to knock a project which I'm sure has a rich future, it would be great to hear answers to some key questions:

How do you give a $100 laptop to a family who makes perhaps $1-5 a day?

How do you persuade aid agencies in the wisdom of paying for high complexity solutions to the developing world, no matter how inexpensive, when written into many of their mission statements is "to help the developing world help themselves" i.e. help them to decide what they need and help them build it?

Who is this $100 laptop specifically for? (country, average income, other facilities) - claiming that the light from OLPC is the brightest source of light in a cambodian family house prompts me to ask are we addressing the REAL problems...

I contributed to the KINKAJOU project with Design that Matters and took the idea to many international agencies in the UK and these were just the kind of questions I struggled to find answers for.

Keep up the good work

Gareth Sumner, Cambridge, UK. 15th April 2006

SVG in this wiki

SVG is a recomended image format for olpc. The wiki is not SVG enabled and gives this warning:

Upload warning ".svg" is not a recommended image file format.

Wikimedia 1.5 supports SVG, this must be enabled in the wiki configuration. Wikipedia already supports SVG. --Bz 08:03, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

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