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The FAQ could use some organization

I was thinking breaking the Questions into catagories to make finding questions Easier. Some of the catagories I was thinkin of were

  • Introduction - i.e. what is the OLPC
  • Impact
  • Design
    • General
    • Software
    • Hardware
  • Distribution

It would reduce the number of redundant questions and make finding the needed information much easier. I'll start working on this later tonight once I have some free time. Also if you have an sugestions for catagories feel free to post--Stranger 14:28, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

Oh and one more thing. What does everyone think of an Ask a Question Page?--Stranger 20:12, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

Here's what I'm thinking of....Ask OLPC a Question

Alright I did it and everything is about done. If you have any suggestions or comments I'd be interested in hearing them. Also I might have misplaced a question or 2 so feel free to move questions around.--Stranger 21:46, 13 June 2006 (EDT)


Which countries are confirmed?

Why not have the product available to poverty level children in the USA? We have an art project for low income kids that could use this. http://www.riversidenet.info/


I remember reading something about Costa Rica, is this Central Anmerican country at the project? --Dagoflores 02:57, 19 March 2006 (EST) Answer: ___

Where/how should interested parties ask questions about OLPC?

I think it would be useful to put that question in the FAQ (aka "What if my question isn't listed here in the FAQ?")

A very nice idea. --Walter

In addition to the FAQ, I wonder if an "AQ"--Asked Questions, i.e. not necessarily frequent--area might be useful, since many people might come with a specific question or two, but might not easily find what they want by browsing the wiki.

Perhaps we can use this Talk page for these sorts of things. --Walter

Here are some questions of mine (Qwertie):

  • I've heard that individuals won't be allowed to buy OLPC laptops, or that it won't be available to the public. If so, why not? Wouldn't it be good for the project? You can sell them without having to provide a general-purpose OS preinstalled, after all.
  • OLPC relies on economy of scale to reach low prices. To improve scale, why not sell important parts separately from the laptop? For example, the screen technology could be sold for use in home theatre remotes and in-car computers at higher prices to subsidize OLPC somewhat. Assuming there is some central OLPC organization with employees, I would suggest creating a few non-laptop departments focused on other mass-market uses of the technology--then again, attempting to find companies that would be interesting in buying a million or two units might be a better strategy.

I feel like restricting the laptop and its components to one purpose is unnecessary--then again, I haven't studied the problem. Maybe someone can explain why it's necessary, but I wonder if it's just a lack of managerial resources.

The bottom line is that our mission is learning, not laptops. While we will be working with a commercial partner at some point for both machines and interesting parts--we've been looking at models where by the commercial side can help drive down the cost for the kids--our immediate priority is the non-commercial machine. --Walter

What is the $100 Laptop, really?

I moved these discussions from the article page to this discussion page. Walter 01:57, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Hello. Wouldn't it be better to have a small HD instead? As far as I know, Flash memory has a much higher Gb cost than that of a standard HD. I also know that there are ridiculously small HDs with really large storage capacity, at least in comparison to the meager 512Mb you currently propose. Wouldn't a larger capacity storage help to extend the life of such a machine?

The biggest single point of failure of laptops is the HD. We are opting for robustness over more on-board storage. Synchronization with the "school server" should help mitigate some of the capacity challenges raised. Walter 02:03, 5 May 2006 (EDT)
Actually, I have been told that HDs are only the 2nd biggest point of failure; internal connectors breaking is Number 1. We are trying to eliminate most of those as well.Walter 03:40, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Somewhere in this wiki (in the discussion of system software), the starting paragraph "seriously questions" Linux for OLPC. But in this FAQ, it starts off by saying it will be Linux-based. To cut short the argument, why not try PuppyLinux now so that the project can move forward to content, training and localization concerns?

The Fedora kernel[1] is sufficiently far-enough along that developers can start exploring some of these higher-level issues. Also, we hope that many of these issues will be addressed upstream such that they benefit the entire community, not just those using this particular platform. Walter 02:03, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

How do I request an answer?

How do I request an answer? --Dagoflores 01:45, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

What is the question in question? Walter 06:37, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Cambodia test?

The FAQ mentions Cambodia twice. Can you link to more information about the pilot in Cambodia? Or provide details about it in the FAQ? When? How many devices? What hardware? What ages? What type of network access? What software was used? What operating systems?

*BSD operating systems

Has there been work with using any BSD operating systems on the hardware? journaling flash file system for any BSD?


Inclusion of BASIC / easy to learn programming?

The inclusion of BASIC in the early home computers in the west created a generation of children who could program, many of whom turned into professional programmers. The UK IT industry for one owes a lot to these early home computers. Will a language, such as BASIC, be included with these laptops? - Dan Huby, dan at huby dot me dot uk.

We will ship with at least three "Turing machines": Python, Javascript, and Logo. Walter 14:44, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

How will these socieites will be impacted

How will the poorest socieites in the world will be impacted by a sudden injection of technology on this scale? This is a critical question that needs much deeper answers than this FAQ has given. I've added some necessary questions to dig deeper:

  • How will the success of the project be gauged?
  • How much research has been conducted on how the societies will be impacted?
  • How will family, community, and religious structures that have existed for generations be impacted?
  • How will the project affect relationships between generations or traditional social structures based on age?

Everythingisok 11:21, 25 May 2006 (EDT)


Does anyone remember the Cybiko?

I made a quick page about it, Cybiko, and I can add more if anyone wants to know. This was back in 2001 that I spent 24/7/365 working with the device over RS-232. http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Cybiko

Would optional sound capabilities lower the price?

I wonder if the sound capabilities are really necessary, an option would be to leave them out to lower the price of the basic PC, and produce an optional USB device for sound capabilities for those that need it (blind people, analphabets learning to read, etc.). --Dagoflores 01:04, 17 March 2006 (EST)

The sound card can also do modem. A modem can attach to radio and phone lines, that gives you the internet. 62.252.0.11 10:12, 18 March 2006 (EST)
Music is fundumental and will not be compromised. We will have sound. Also the microphone input can be used for sensor input. Finally, a modem is of little use without a phone. Walter 10:56, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Will the display be able to rotate orientation??

I visualize a display with the ability to switch orientation, from a horizontal (traditional PC) display for work with width needs, such as Internet pages, into a vertical (book page format) for reading e-books, with the lines running vertically, hopefully in two columns of text, (which has been demostrated to be easier to read, and to add graphics into it at one column width). --Dagoflores 00:54, 17 March 2006 (EST) Answer: ____ not yet. --Dagoflores 13:48, 23 March 2006 (EST)

yes Walter 11:00, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

What software will be used with the $100 laptop?

  • (User-contributed) - PuppyLinux is one open-source project very much suited to the OLPC machine. Its creator and lead developer is an Australian professor, Barry Kauler, bkauler at goosee dot com.

FAQ from Teachers

I was talking with some teachers in Laos about this project. Here the FAQ from teachers OLPC_Laos.

Wording

Are "OLPC" and the "$100 Computer" the same?

No. One Laptop per Child (OLPC) is the name of a non-profit association whose mission is to provide a laptop computer for every child as "both a window and a tool: a window into the world and a tool with which to think." The $100 Computer (or Laptop) is the machine we are developing towards the realization of this mission. Walter 15:35, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

Are there efforts to make olpc an international organisation?

At the moment olpc is an american based non profit organisation. The develpment of the $100 laptop hardware design was an excellent work! But isn't it time now to make this a more international movement?

  • The open source community is called "External Developers".
  • Some countries are not able to take part in olpc because they fear the american influence.
  • The Boss of the United Nations traditionaly is from Africa and is black - couldn't olpc do the same?

You could probably lock this

The wifi spammer hit this page, probably because FAQ usually means lots of readers. However, this page would work just fine if it was locked and had a comment at the top directing people to use the Discussion tab. And the side benefit is that more people learn that the Discussion tab exists.

I had locked down the Main Page for the same reason. I'm using a redirect hack to try to work around it. We'll see how well (and how long) it works. Walter 18:26, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Could you get the next generation off of staggered QWERTY keyboards?

QWERTY keyboards are only used in countries with a Latin-based alphabet. Many of the target countries will not use QWERTY because they have a totally different writing system.

First, congratulations! This is a wonderful project that plenty of folks said couldn't be done.

Since your targetted users have no investment in the legacy typewriter keyboard, I really wish you could take this opportunity to move the world off of the darned things.

Many of the target countries DO have a substantial investment in their existing typewriter keyboard layouts.

Could you provide a keyboard with the keys arranged in columns, with a more sensible layout as the default?

Can you cite any studies that demonstrate columnar arrngements to be superior to staggered arrangements. I suspect that staggered arrangements are better for fast typists.

SHIFT and BACKSPACE under the thumbs somehow instead of the pinkies? Seems like this is the *ideal* opportunity to get a new generation of users onto a better typing foundation -- faster learning, faster typing, fewer errors, less stress on the tendons, etc. Your volumes are such that the development of inexpensive keyboards that match your design would be inevitable.

Getting the next generation of users on a decent keyboard would do the world a big favor (to add to the HUGE favor you are already doing it!). If there are extra one-time engineering costs associated with doing the right thing keyboard-wise, I would personally contribute $100 toward them -- and I'll bet lots of other people would do the same.

You misunderstand the goals of the OLPC and the customers. The goal is to educate children but the customers are national Ministries of Education. It is up to them to choose the keyboard layout.

Is it possible to add a pen input interface (e.g. touchsreen) for OLPC Laptop?

If OLPC Laptop has the pen input interface, it will be a good start point for the R&D of the handwirting recognition in the open source community and good for children in the furture.

We are working on two tracks: a tocuh interface for the screen and dual-mode trackpad that is capacitive (finger) in the center and resistive (stylus) across the length of the keyboard. Not sure which will work, but we will make every effort. Walter 23:39, 8 June 2006 (EDT)


"Not a laptop project, but an education project"

I'm a little confused. Sometimes olpc is called an education project. If it is an education project then the hardware and the operating system are only small parts of the project. The page Predecessors_of_OLPC has changing content because people don't know what olpc really is.

There is no problem if olpc "only" makes the hardware, system software and software development tools. This is good enough for a Nobel prize.

People should know what olpc is working on and what other organizations should do. 99% of the information in this wiki is about technology. There are some really good contributions like Talk:Localization_Common_Room. To understand different cultures is very important for this project but I can't see any efforts in that direction.

If olpc is an education project then use this education platform to learn something about other cultures. "Eat your own dogfood" [2] - that makes a project successful.

If this learning platform should support children in learning to write - test your platform and learn Thai, Chinese or a language from the Indian subcontinent. (grammar and spelling corrections are welcome) --Bz 12:55, 10 June 2006 (EDT)

Is there any work has been done for the making of e-Textbook?

One original goal of the OLPC is to use laptop to replace conventional textbooks. There is no much time left before the first release of OLPC laptops to these 7 developing countries in early 2007. The content of textbook is a very political thing and the making of the e-Textbooks could also not be a simple work. So it could be a very urgent and serious problem for the OLPC task.

There is work going on in the various launch countries (and elsewhere) on electronic text books. There are also several efforts to build textbooks as resources under a Creative Commons license. However, OLPC itself will not be creating any text books. Walter 09:52, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
We should have a page for Electronic Textbook Projects.

There are people enthusiastically putting forward cases for Laos and Ethiopia. What information does the OLPC management need presented to it in order for a case to succeed? How will their cases be assessed please?

We are in the process of putting together an RFP as a mechanism for countries to get involved in the project. As the details as worked out, we'll post them on this page: How can my country get involved?. Walter 16:49, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

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