Small Projects in Remote Places - Selected challenges

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome nstawski! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome Webchat user Green-Aqua-71! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome barb0101! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <nstawski> Hi, I will be taking notes in room 553 now!  English is not my native language, so if somebody could back me up that would be appreciated <nstawski> Nadine from Jamaica started speaking

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome Webchat user Violet-Sienna-38! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <CanoeBerry> Hi! <nstawski> there is a map of Jamaica and Nadine asked a few people to find a small place called Moneague at the map <nstawski> They categorized the issues they face in 5 parts <nstawski> 1. Class teacher champion <nstawski> 2. Students <nstawski> 3. School Admin <nstawski> 4. Education Office <nstawski> 5. Parents/PTA; Alumni, non-school Adults <nstawski> people are writing a few words for each category describing the problems and situations they have connected to these <nstawski> from their own experience

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<olpcbot> Hello SG member yama`! (use 'info index' for current info pages) <nstawski> I think some suggestions and accociations from people at this chat would be also great to have <nstawski> I can see well the 4. category now <nstawski> the associations are: <nstawski> Controlling, excluded, curious, saving face is important, empowering, disconnected

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<nstawski> bureaucratic, out of touch, one size fits all, cught in reform cycle, anxious <nstawski> category 1. : <nstawski> mostly a tireless worker, essential, overworked <CanoeBerry> (Photos of all 5 spontaneous paper posters will follow!) <MikeDawson> category 4 - Different language / totally different mindset between those and potential implementors / champions <nstawski> curriculum goals, egocentric, fear, tired, confused, coach <MikeDawson> 2 - students - curiosity / electricity <MikeDawson> and hammers <nstawski> how do we show a champion or a class teacher that OLPC project is connected to their curriculum goals? <MikeDawson> nstawski: by showing them what things the technology can do to help them accomplish their goals <CanoeBerry> Jennifer Martino comments: not sure we can promise higher grades / standardized test results _while_ more creative, project-integrated learning <MikeDawson> in Afghanistan: Interactive curriculum content can double - triple time on task and provide missing feedback teachers don't have time and are too overloaded to provide <MikeDawson> We can achieve higher grades and better more creative learning and must in order to justify the cost

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<olpcbot> G'day SG member tabs! (of the welly testers) (use 'info index' for current info pages) <nstawski> the word 'soloist' - in Afganistan when we were training teachers there were a few people, who became experts, a tech support for others <nstawski> and they were the individuals who stood up <nstawski> to help others <nstawski> 2. Students: <MikeDawson> nstawski - you were in Afghanistan? <nstawski> restriction: sometimes students do stupid things, or something thats inappropriate - so we need some restrictions <nstawski> now, I am writing down everything that is said here <CanoeBerry> Dimash: inappropriate content happens! <nstawski> at the first meeting <CanoeBerry> dsd question: small project in overseas deployments, what happens when *Volunteers Leave* ? <CanoeBerry> (sustainability..) <nstawski> Daniel: can remote team continue the work on their own? <MikeDawson> dsd answer: it normally dies <tabs> can someone make sure this channel is recorded this weekend? <CanoeBerry> Christine Murakami discusses her own experience leading US high school girls to Virgin Islands deployment.. <nstawski> I will save the logs anyway <nstawski> even if it's not recorded <CanoeBerry> kevix: can you help with tabs' request above, for this wkd only? <nstawski> sustainability <CanoeBerry> Nadine Muschette is doing a *GREAT* job facilitating this session! <CanoeBerry> Her 2 partners Carol Ruth Silver and Christine Murakami too! <CanoeBerry> (Aside: Bill Stelzer is videotaping this Rm 553 "Small Projects in Remote Places" session!) <CanoeBerry> Mark Battley speaking on the http://ntugiSchool.com Kenya deployment he's coordinated. <nstawski> the question that is discussed is whether we bring people from other countries to get educated in US along with teaching them at their places <tabs> currently we discussing taking people from deployments out to see the rest of the world and the hazards - seems better to send people to deployment <tabs> nstawski: snap <nstawski> <MikeDawson> agreed +1 - assuming that people actually go back to where the deployment is needed - turnover is a problem

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome XO IRC activity users OLPC! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <CanoeBerry> Locals in Kenya more supportive of project than some in US/Canada/Europe.  Keeping continuity going tough, but powerful champion on ground found! (Godfrey, teachers' certificate part of the deal -- deal is he works for 4 yrs to run deployment) <nstawski> Scrool admin: <nstawski> India project experience: <CanoeBerry> Direct-head on corruption vs. softer corruption issues. <tabs> anyone know where deployment near chennai is? <CanoeBerry> Map here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India <tabs> Tom Parker from olpc NZ volunteers is there now and wants to know if he can help and meet local  olpc pep <nstawski> destroing creativity: school admin: over time children are loosing creativity because of the standartized testing etc, they are kept in a box <MikeDawson> help and meet local olpc pep where?

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome morganya! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <CanoeBerry> Nina Stawski in the front row here with me (in purple shirt!) is doing an amazing job notetaking, thanks!! <nstawski> рщц сщгдв нщг сщттусе еуфсрштп ещ еру сгккшсгдгь ьщку уааусешмудн? <morganya> in the edu panel. lots of tensions between various players being discussed <nstawski> еsorry

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome carrott! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <nstawski> how you could connect teaching and curriculum? <silbe> will notes from the other rooms be taken in this channel as well? or are there other channels I should join? <nstawski> in Nepal, there are a lot of customized projects <CanoeBerry> each room has its own notetaking regimen <nstawski> and lessons etc <CanoeBerry> as chosen by that room's sessions leaders <MikeDawson> in Afghanistan we have made complete interactive versions of Grade 4-6 Maths, Science and Religious Ed for blended learning

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<CanoeBerry> silbe: Ben Sheldon is policing each room's summary/notetaking -- email bensheldon@gmail.com if you don't find him live here <nstawski> the laptops sometimes are being used just as a book, so kids do not have chance to play with it and learn something else <silbe> CanoeBerry: ok, will try, thx! <nstawski> it's difficult to find a middleground on that <MikeDawson> Disagree - there is a huge spectrum from just using it as a book to pure constructivist experience and everything in between <nstawski> how do you encourage kids to use their creativity on the way home or at home? <nstawski> another issue: money and bad economy <morganya> talking about fostering creativity -- it may sound heretical but i think one of the best ways to do so is to shut off the internet. <nstawski> Christine: I work in a school, I was told I cannod raise money for it <MikeDawson> challenges / exercises (e.g. guided discovery) with turtle art etc <tabs> deployments I went to had no internet <nstawski> how do you deal with money issues? <CanoeBerry> Fundraising issues off the record now -- video cam turned off on audience request. <OLPC-Mongolia> money issues - everywhere <CanoeBerry> Fundraising issues & (perceived) conflict-of-interests being discussed off the record. <MikeDawson> Money issue - we must run the program in a way that justifies demonstrably the cost <CanoeBerry> Institutional tensions being discusses off the record. <CanoeBerry> Video & transcribing will resume shortly. <pleia2> @teefal is making great tweets for the power session, and a photo from @curiouslee http://flic.kr/p/8MosfA <CanoeBerry> Very tense small community / fundraising issued being discussed -- good news these can catch fire -- bad news is these can catch fire -- tensions. around who owns fundraising pipelines. <CanoeBerry> http://twitter.com/teefal <MikeDawson> tension around money?  gee, who wouldda thought? <CanoeBerry> Anonymous suggestion from audience: seek clearance at the highest level (where possible) before your fundraising SUCCESS is shot down by those with bigger muscle than you. <CanoeBerry> Buy-in envy at every level, political / corporate / beyond. <CanoeBerry> Buy-in is there, money is there. <morganya> seems like much of these money issues also connect to acountability issues (e.g. the mention of the Xo in Honduras) <Tan-Red-23> "there are hummers in haiti" <CanoeBerry> Claim: Corruption can destroy everything, right as pieces come together. <CanoeBerry> Video & transcribing will resume shortly. <CanoeBerry> Rm 553 continues off the record until then. <silbe> pleia2: how can I watch teefals "tweets"? <MikeDawson> Asset management : expect it to go completely wrong unless you take steps otherwise <CanoeBerry> silbe: http://twitter.com/teefal <MikeDawson> http://twitter.com/teefal <silbe> thx! <CanoeBerry> Bribery / corruption being discussed in Rm 553. <CanoeBerry> How can we go beyond war stories, broader strokes? <CanoeBerry> Let's not be naive. <CanoeBerry> Consequences cannot be foretold. <morganya> no matter how much you've  *thought*  it through, there's no way you can know what will happen unti you get there. <MikeDawson> speak and work with those who have been there a while <nstawski> it's still off the record <MikeDawson> preferably those who originate from your culture... <CanoeBerry> Claim: Physical dangers when tiny schools's success arise to threaten turf of largeer institutional forces. <CanoeBerry> "If it were really easy, some would have done it already." <morganya> if it were easy, it would already  be done. <morganya> jinx! <CanoeBerry> Legalities hell of fundraising. <CanoeBerry> NGO on the ground serving legal advice! <nstawski> back on the record <CanoeBerry> Video back on now. <nstawski> India: we have two deployments <CanoeBerry> India voice #2: Harriet <CanoeBerry> MikeDawson: no audio feed for now, sorry <nstawski> you can't do everything without the money <MikeDawson> video is on?   but not on ustream? <CanoeBerry> MikeDawson: Not UStream, Bill Stelzer just whipped out his old camcorder. <CanoeBerry> On a tripod tho! <MikeDawson> oic <nstawski> you should plan to be successful, and think of how to spend money on the project if there were more of them <CanoeBerry> (SJ Klein comment above) <MikeDawson> You must justify the money! <CanoeBerry> Barbara Barry speaking now.. <CanoeBerry> Ask for 5 more poster boards.. <CanoeBerry> BEYOND school.. <CanoeBerry> Adjunct curriculum! <nstawski> discussing an extra-curriculum, where teachers can do what they want - we could use this time <CanoeBerry> Reminds us OLPC's core mission is to move learning beyond school & classroom into community/family/beyond. <morganya> (reminds me of google's 20% time) <CanoeBerry> nstawski: plz email me (holt@laptop.org) your full contact info if poss! <nstawski> everybody wants their kids to be eduated - so we can offer help designing the education program, not just giving XO

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<olpcbot>   <olpcbot> Welcome mavrothal! <olpcbot> Welcome all to OLPC San Francisco's 2010 Community Summit, Oct 22-24! http://olpcSF.org <olpcbot> Remote volunteer participants are strongly encouraged -- please join here: http://www.olpcsf.org/summit/#remote <olpcbot> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/olpcsf-community-summit-2010 is the expected channel if streaming is setup <CanoeBerry> Pablo Flores speaking on $ <CanoeBerry> $ for laptops, $ for all the rest <nstawski> the second part is much more difficult and more important that getting the laptops there <MikeDawson> Q: Is there currently published data on the ratio being used / achived in Ceibal now? <morganya> it's also  a lot more sexy to buy laptpos than intangibles <morganya> yes - will find links for ceibal .. <nstawski> the easiest thing that can be done - work with organizations that has shown some transparency, and that want to participate and try to fund them <morganya> will post later <nstawski> we should find tools for transparency - online tools, whatever <CanoeBerry> Morgan Ames speaking: on tools? <MikeDawson> morganya: thanks ! <CanoeBerry> Donations for teacher-training not sexy. <nstawski> issue: people like donating money for laptops, but they are less likely donate for the education of teachers <MikeDawson> Can I make some comments on $$$ from here? <CanoeBerry> How to provide face-saving paying for little things, eg. USB stick/beyond? <CanoeBerry> Yes <CanoeBerry> Session ends in 10MIN <MikeDawson> You have to calculate the total cost of ownership here - let's say $400 hypothetically over 4-5 years per child <nstawski> take XOs to a club, extra-curriculum activity so kigs could spend more time with these <CanoeBerry> After-school Clubs GREAT! But opt-in only, only devoded core show up. <MikeDawson> you must then figure out how to do more with that through content, extra-curricular, etc. than could possibly be otherwise achieved <MikeDawson> achieve better value and prove it <MikeDawson> then taps open <MikeDawson> Must achieve value in terms of recognized objectives

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<MikeDawson> Attendence, behaviours that are part of child friendly learning checked through classroom observation, test scores, problem solving ability, stabilization / quelling of insurgencies... <MikeDawson> [Finished] <CanoeBerry> MikeDawsom: Let's hold TCO/Finance discussions in a later session, as we're talking tightening teachers/kids communities for now. <CanoeBerry> MikeDawson: please hold the thought, making sure this full question's asked in a bit / later today. <CanoeBerry> Mark Battley: email & facebook = permanent buy-in from kids, teachers, teacher-to-teacher professional development -- practical exams as level, science congress / fair? <CanoeBerry> 1 year of strong dissemination from teacher to student. <nstawski> teacher training institutions are discussed <CanoeBerry> "One Laptop per Teacher" in Jamaica! <nstawski> what about the parents? <CanoeBerry> One Laptop per Parent? <MikeDawson> OLPT objectives?

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<nstawski> students and parents are very positive regarding the project <nstawski> some of school admins and education offices are sometimes negative <nstawski> and champions need a lot of work <nstawski> to retain their enthusiasm etc <Tan-Red-23> "Dont let the bastards bring you down." <CanoeBerry> Keep yr Eyes on the Prize! <CanoeBerry> Jennifer Martino: but you can't just leave the parents out of the pic1 <CanoeBerry> Jennifer Martino: but you can't just leave the parents out of the pic! <nstawski> school board/city council: the prime example of successful creation of schools based on the the parents' enthusiasm

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<nstawski> the successful models is to go without the laptops or anything, and involve parents. when you have got the parents to say we want these laptops etc - we will overcome all other problems <nstawski> what have you learned from this session? <nstawski> aim higher <nstawski> time matters <nstawski> just shorts ideas aboutthe session

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<nstawski> the session has ended <nstawski> leaving a lot of things to discuss further <nstawski> but everybody seems to be quite enthusiastic

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<MikeDawson> thanks to the transcribers!

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<CanoeBerry> Mark Battley is now photographing the 5 spontaneous poster boards. <CanoeBerry> He will post them to Flickr and here: <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_SanFranciscoBayArea/Community_Summit_2010#Photography_Album_.26_Film.21

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<CanoeBerry> THANKS NINA!

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Notes

(thx Nina!)

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