Contributors program/October 23, 2009
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[ AGENDA ] * New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * Fast Review of the 4 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: #1 FoodForce2 - New Delhi, India #2 Playing, it`s serious - Kuujjuaq (Quebec) CANADA #3 OLPC on Puppy Linux - Bogotá, Colombia #4 Kenya OLPC Mathematics: request for more laptops [ INTROS ] <CanoeBerry> Apologies the Contributors Program meeting will be ~15min late! <CanoeBerry> Hang out here if ya can :) * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting <sandrat> Hi I am here <sandrat> anyone else in the meeting <sandrat> I saw the shipment notification! great. all wikis have been updated; except the deaf.. and I am waiting for some info from them. * SMParrish Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) <sandrat> hello * SMParrish has joined #olpc-meeting * aa has joined #olpc-meeting <sandrat> hello aa <aa> hi <sandrat> i'm reading about epals from email earlier this afternoon <CanoeBerry> Yikes, coupla more min, can you wait? <CanoeBerry> Let's start 2:30pm sharp. <sandrat> Just two of us here i think <sandrat> I will wait. <CanoeBerry> great! * reubencaron Quit * culseg has joined #olpc-meeting <sandrat> how many are in the meeting? <CanoeBerry> Finally. <CanoeBerry> Agenda is here: <CanoeBerry> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/025959.html <CanoeBerry> sandrat: ready?! * kjcole has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Pass the drinks Kevin :) <sandrat> I am here <CanoeBerry> Lunch too would be nice! <CanoeBerry> kjcole: any chance you want to party in NYC Nov 21? * tomeu has joined #olpc-meeting <sandrat> Are you saying you'll provide lunch NYC Nov 21? <CanoeBerry> Secret: we're very close to arranging a great church to host us, finalizeing later today I think, with Mike Lee's gorgeous poster published tomorrow if all goes swell <CanoeBerry> Haha <sandrat> which church? <kjcole> CanoeBerry: I hope to attend. But need to focus long enough to actually *plan*. Shudder. <CanoeBerry> sandrat: you're the chef! <sandrat> sorry... i can order in <sandrat> that's chefing in NYC <CanoeBerry> kjcole: extraordinary people are coming together, so I'm very hopeful. <CanoeBerry> sandrat: let's not make food the centerpiece in the church please, but yes snacks great! <CanoeBerry> Shall we start our real meeting now? <CanoeBerry> Agenda: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/025959.html <kjcole> CanoeBerry: Extraordinary people are the only kinds I hang with. ;-) <CanoeBerry> "Cultivating Brilliance" (TM) <CanoeBerry> OK, let's begin. <sandrat> saw the foodforce request? but don't understand what the request is? [ PROJECT #1 : FoodForce2 - New Delhi, India ] <CanoeBerry> Plz all help approve/critique Project #1 here: <CanoeBerry> FoodForce2 - New Delhi, India <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=48940 <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Food_ForceII <CanoeBerry> Requests 1-2 XO-1.5 over 3 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> FoodForce2 is both a classroom tool, and an outside classroom <CanoeBerry> activity. It is a new kind of an educational solution, an “expanded <CanoeBerry> school” which grows well beyond the walls of the classroom. The game <CanoeBerry> play has been designed in a way to educate the child about certain key <CanoeBerry> learning areas. The key learning areas on which the game focuses are: <CanoeBerry> 1. *Strategy*: FoodForce2 is a strategy game in which decision-making <CanoeBerry> skills of a player have a high significance in determining the <CanoeBerry> outcome. The Player is suppose to plan and execute a strategy in <CanoeBerry> such a way that he can make an optimum use of the resources <CanoeBerry> available with him, so that the village can become <CanoeBerry> self-sustainable for a long time. <CanoeBerry> 2. *Sustainable Development*: FoodForce2 teaches player to set limits <CanoeBerry> on the consumption of the present available resources so that they <CanoeBerry> can be used to address future development issues which are <CanoeBerry> critical for sustainable development. <CanoeBerry> 3. *Trading*: Economic futures of any world community, particularly <CanoeBerry> developing world, is affected by their present trading system. <CanoeBerry> FoodForce2 assist player to integrate into the trade system and <CanoeBerry> multi-lateral trade negotiations. It develops skills for unbiased, <CanoeBerry> rule based and nondiscriminatory trading system. <CanoeBerry> 4. *Technology and its use*: Technology involves the usage of tools <CanoeBerry> which affects and controls the environment, and the ability to <CanoeBerry> adapt to it. The basic lifestyle in every aspect of our daily <CanoeBerry> lives, the kind of housings, our transport, medical facilities, <CanoeBerry> fashion and entertainment all depend on technology. FoodForce2 <CanoeBerry> demonstrates the effect of using technology in the development of <CanoeBerry> various facilities like hospitals, housing facilities, education <CanoeBerry> and training. It teaches player about the importance of technology <CanoeBerry> for development. <CanoeBerry> 5. *Crisis Management*: A crisis is a major, unpredictable event that <CanoeBerry> harms human communities and is accompanied by widespread <CanoeBerry> malnutrition, starvation, epidemic and increased mortality. Crisis <CanoeBerry> management consisting of understanding, and coping with any <CanoeBerry> serious situation, especially from the moment it first occurs to <CanoeBerry> the point that recovery procedures start. FoodForce2 teaches <CanoeBerry> crisis management by redesigning the village affected by natural <CanoeBerry> calamities. In the game choices available to players are <CanoeBerry> constrained by economic, social, and physical realities of life in <CanoeBerry> a village. And their actions are highly structured by the <CanoeBerry> practices of urban planning ... [BRIEF NETWORK INTERRUPTION ] ... <CanoeBerry> 6. *Collaboration*: Collaboration is a recursive process where <CanoeBerry> different organizations work together for common goal by sharing <CanoeBerry> knowledge, learning and building consensus. FoodForce2 demonstrate <CanoeBerry> that a community is not supposed to be building in a closed <CanoeBerry> environment. Players should be free to interact with the outside <CanoeBerry> environment i.e. the other villages, which are being developed by <CanoeBerry> his peers. <CanoeBerry> Sorry for that spewage :) <sandrat> so it this for the developers of food force to add features? * daveb has joined #olpc-meeting <culseg> Food problem solving is difficult, so their game is complex,, send then XOs OK with me <CanoeBerry> daveb: welcome! Can you help us review 4 XO projects quick, to see who gets free XO Laptops? <sandrat> food force is great . wonderful thing, what is the 'ask'? <CanoeBerry> Agenda here: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-October/025959.html * aa Quit (Remote closed the connection) <CanoeBerry> Why exactly do they need prototype XO-1.5 laptop(s)? <dirakx1> hello <CanoeBerry> dirakx1: hi <sandrat> So foodforce I fully support? Is this a development project? <CanoeBerry> Anybody care to co-mentor and justify this FoodForce2 need? * Caryl has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Caryl: welc! <culseg> corry I misread the RT , I would send them XOs and wait on 1.5's <Caryl> Aloooooha! <sandrat> OK so they are porting/testing foodforce on XO 1.5's? * FranXOphonie has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> So let's get a mentor on board here, Food Force 2 is actively maintained and keeps a solid wiki-presence, but still they need to justify their XO 1.5 needs etc. <CanoeBerry> Any takers? <sandrat> I will, co - who is the other co- <CanoeBerry> Manu Gupta in India presumably. <sandrat> ok <CanoeBerry> (Manusheel Gupta) <sandrat> got it * tomeu hopes activity developers don't stop testing on the xo-1 for performance <kjcole> FoodForce2 sounds like a great bit o' work. And two machines isn't much to ask for. However I haven't followed closely enough just how beta 1.5 stuff is. And the limited number of machines... <sandrat> +1 <CanoeBerry> CONDITIONALLY APPROVED (XO-1.5 prototypes require Ed McNierney's approval to check inventory levels) <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_1.5_B2 <CanoeBerry> Thanks. * sdziallas Quit ("Ex-Chat") ... <Caryl> Can we request that the XO-1 be included and maybe send one of each? * atphalix has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> sandrat: can you complete Caryl's request above, clarifying the true needs of FoodForce2? <CanoeBerry> Thanks Mentor Sandra :) <Caryl> Thanks [ PROJECT #2 : Playing, it`s serious - Kuujjuaq (Quebec) CANADA ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #2 here.. please review: <CanoeBerry> Playing, it`s serious - Kuujjuaq (Quebec) CANADA <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=49132 <CanoeBerry> [SITE MISSING - NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 2 XOs over 2 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> We would like to put your laptop in the daycare <CanoeBerry> for the older group (4-5 years old) because we have a lack in <CanoeBerry> stimulation for kids, educators don`t know how to motivate. We think is <CanoeBerry> a good tool for education, stimulation, to find ideas for activities..... <Caryl> Can we request that the XO-1 be included and maybe send one of each? * atphalix has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> sandrat: can you complete Caryl's request above, clarifying the true needs of FoodForce2? <CanoeBerry> Thanks Mentor Sandra :) <Caryl> Thanks <CanoeBerry> Back to Kuujjuaq now. <Caryl> Fuzzy proposal and I don't mean warm and fuzzy <CanoeBerry> OK, who wants to mentor Kuujjuaq so they understand OLPC/Sugar and reconsider a solid proposal? <CanoeBerry> Anybody? <kjcole> I second Caryl on that. <CanoeBerry> Don't blame Canada.. <sandrat> Inuit villages are deserving . But I wonder if they shouldn't start with supplying to a smaller number of villages <CanoeBerry> Any takers? <CanoeBerry> Going once.. <sandrat> It is a good project, and should get our support\ <CanoeBerry> sandrat: will you support them and get them up to speed? <Caryl> needs more structure <CanoeBerry> Going twice.. <sandrat> Oooh yeh you know how the Canadians treat their indigenous peoples <Caryl> they could end up in closets <CanoeBerry> Conclusion: PROJECT REQUIRES REVISIONS AND MENTOR <sandrat> I am pretty busy until mid November [ PROJECT #3 : OLPC on Puppy Linux - Bogotá, Colombia ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #3, please review... <sandrat> dont' want to take too much on <CanoeBerry> OLPC on Puppy Linux - Bogotá, Colombia <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=49242 <CanoeBerry> http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47337 <CanoeBerry> [DIRECT SITE MISSING - NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The Primary objetive is develop a Puppy Linux Educational derivative, <CanoeBerry> specially builded to run in the XO hardware. <sandrat> This project should survive are you saying it is up to me <CanoeBerry> Secondary Objetives: <CanoeBerry> - Create a Puppy Linux distribution Extremely friendly, with easy to <CanoeBerry> learn GUI. <CanoeBerry> - Create a Puppy Linux distribution with a good pack of educative <CanoeBerry> applications. <CanoeBerry> - Deploy a good repository of Linux learning documents. <CanoeBerry> - Develop a small, fast and easy to learn Linux distribution for XO <CanoeBerry> hardware. <CanoeBerry> - Distibute Pupy Linux for OLPC freely. <sandrat> ok then <sandrat> I thought that we approved this already <CanoeBerry> Thanks all for critiquing the above, considering last week's very similar project we approved in Australia here.. <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=48455 <sandrat> ok <CanoeBerry> The Australian shipment of 2 XOs delivered just a few hours ago! <CanoeBerry> Puppies Popular! <Caryl> can we approve this one and ask that they communicate and try to expand rather than duplicate? <culseg> I have no special skill in Puppy Linux, but I'd be glad to help this project....aids Latin America not just Australia <CanoeBerry> What do we do? <CanoeBerry> culseg: will you mentor? <culseg> sure, I will <dirakx1> this is an american in Colombia ;), that's new.. <CanoeBerry> If so we should approve. <CanoeBerry> +1 <sandrat> +1 <kjcole> +1 <dirakx1> +1. <CanoeBerry> culseg: make sure they work with the Aussie team. <CanoeBerry> APPROVED. <Caryl> Having someone in Latin America working on it can mean we would have things in both English and Spanish [ PROJECT #4 : Kenya OLPC Mathematics: request for more laptops ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #4: <culseg> yes, of course <CanoeBerry> Please review this final project of the week.. <CanoeBerry> Kenya OLPC Mathematics: request for more laptops <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=43623 <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:OLPC_Mathematics <CanoeBerry> http://hoclaptop.blog.com <CanoeBerry> Requests 7 XOs over 6 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The primary goal of this project is to develop a project that will <CanoeBerry> aid teachers in Kenyan Primary Schools teach the basic concepts of <CanoeBerry> Mathematics in sync with the Kenyan Primary School syllabus using <CanoeBerry> the XO laptop. The specific objectives of this project are: <CanoeBerry> 1. To improve the ability of children to memorise and enhance the <CanoeBerry> use of the basic Mathematical operations, that is +, -, ÷ and × <CanoeBerry> using the XO laptop applications. <CanoeBerry> 2. To improve children's ability and understanding of the measurement <CanoeBerry> and calculation of area, circumference and perimeter of <CanoeBerry> 2-dimensional figures and the Surface Area and Volume of <CanoeBerry> 3-dimansional objects with the aid of the XO laptop. <CanoeBerry> 3. To aid the children in the proper understanding of the topics of <CanoeBerry> ratios, percentages and proportions according to the Kenyan <CanoeBerry> Primary School syllabus. <CanoeBerry> All help criticize & advocate for the above! <Caryl> How many do they already have? What were they supposed to do with them? Have they done it? <CanoeBerry> They seem to have 3. <CanoeBerry> The question is whether they are making steady progress and deserve 7 more. * sandrat Quit ("CGI:IRC (Error)") <kjcole> They seem to come up a lot. This is the same bunch that wanted to do something with deaf kids that I never heard back from... * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> sandrat: can you introduce your project plz? <Caryl> irc is very slow this morning <sandrat> sorry got lost. This group has been working steadily since August <CanoeBerry> sandrat: kjcole just asked about the communications troubles not hearing back from this same Kenyan group's deaf project. <sandrat> They went to classrooms last week and reported very positively on their first days working with kids <sandrat> our group is raising funds for them as the trip to the villages is expensive for their teams <CanoeBerry> sandrat: math details? <sandrat> I think that 7 will give them 10 to do real classroom trials during the rest of this term <sandrat> then they would like to keep them, revise curriculum according to findings for the next term in Jan <CanoeBerry> This group's leader is arguably the most impressive of the bunch, but if you could review what he's accomplished (OLPC Math) over the last 2-3 months we need that. <sandrat> yes, Mark is a very sharp, the driving force, and introduced his math curriculum <CanoeBerry> Plz explain. * sandrat Quit (Client Quit) <CanoeBerry> The math curriculum if poss. <CanoeBerry> Oops we lost Sandra :| <CanoeBerry> Opinions? Conclusions? * sandrat (n=97cb7050@olpc.osuosl.org) has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Hiya <sandrat> sorry . got kicked out of irc when I tried to paste from their website the details <CanoeBerry> sandrat: can you review the math curriculum and how that helps the XO/Sugar community? <CanoeBerry> sandrat: large pastes are blocked on purpose here. <sandrat> The are using the Kenyan syllabus. we have a lot of interest from some of the ministers in kenyan gov. proving that XO can implement the curriculum will be a big win in the coujntry <CanoeBerry> sandrat: politics we understand. do you have math details? <sandrat> mark is smart and can do it. They are demonstrating how XO activities can support this curricluum <sandrat> using calc. let me get it again and paste it into notepad first <sandrat> demonstrate to them how the Write and Record activities were able to do, and introduced them to Calculate, GeoQuiz, Chat and the Wiki. After that I asked them to write some of the things <CanoeBerry> Where are you pasting from again? <sandrat> from the blog site put up by mark koech <CanoeBerry> http://hoclaptop.blog.com is beautiful (and vital indeed!) but we need a public site showing the meat. <CanoeBerry> The meat of this particular project. <sandrat> it is their report. Could be more specific in terms of math. But somewhere it talks about the math concepts I think in the wiki page <sandrat> Mark will keep this updated <CanoeBerry> OLPC cannot issue $2000 worth of laptops plus as much as $1000 in shipping/coordination costs w/o specifics. <CanoeBerry> We need specifics, thanks. <sandrat> I will stay on top of it with him. called him today but it was late * aa has joined #olpc-meeting <sandrat> what specifics.. you mean do you want a copy of the curriculum <CanoeBerry> Deliverables are defined in our FAQ here: <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors#FAQ <sandrat> I can get the specifics in just a minute.. give me one second * sandrat Quit ("CGI:IRC (Error)") * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting * Caryl Quit ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") <sandrat> Ok got kicked out agin * sandrat Quit (Client Quit) <CanoeBerry> sandrat: just to review, deliverables mean a monthly conversation towards your milestones. <CanoeBerry> Web-published milestones. <CanoeBerry> With actual dates. * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> sandrat: beyond our phone call earlier today (monthly progress towards your actual milestone dates) here's the summary: <CanoeBerry> From the FAQ.. <CanoeBerry> What is expected of me or my organization in giving back to the OLPC/Sugar community? <CanoeBerry> A: Try to contribute as much as possible in time and talents back to the community: <CanoeBerry> * Ongoing email updates and progress photos/videos & screenshots, and/or an informative blog you keep off of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects <CanoeBerry> * Completed community assets such as documentation, commented source code, hardware prototypes, field test data, or outreach materials to draw attention to your work. <CanoeBerry> * Academic papers, conference talks, media coverage and friendly networking are most appreciated by our community! <CanoeBerry> Let us conclude for the day. <CanoeBerry> Any others willing to co-mentor Kenya's "OLPC Mathematics" please?! <CanoeBerry> Magic Mentors, step up now, change the world starting right here. <CanoeBerry> Or email later. <CanoeBerry> sandrat: can you put an email address on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:OLPC_ Mathematics so others might help? <CanoeBerry> Last call for comments regarding the "OLPC Mathematics" in Kenya..... * aa Quit (Remote closed the connection) <CanoeBerry> Conclusion: REVISING, let us hope this project can be reviewed again next week when further milestones around this high-potential project are published here: <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:OLPC_Mathematics <CanoeBerry> MEETING ADJOURNED, thanks all! [ CLOSING REMARKS ] * daveb (i=daveb@you.dontlike.us) has left #olpc-meeting * Caryl_1 has joined #olpc-meeting <Caryl_1> somehow I got stalled. Are we still in meeting? <Caryl_1> what is happening/happened? <kjcole> Caryl_1: Ajourned. <Caryl_1> ok <Caryl_1> bye #olpc-help excerpt: <sandrat> here is some specifics : to improve the children's ability to understand the measurement of area circumference <sandrat> I need some assistance in getting photos up on the wiki <sandrat> I'm asking Alan Papert to mentor.. he's pretty good stuff <sandrat> I'll see him later today <sandrat> Email updates? to contributor@laptop.org??? <sandrat> sure I'll put them up there. It looks as if this site lost some of the earlier data. I added some data today