Contributors program/February 5, 2010
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[ AGENDA ] * New projects & libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries * Which projects might you enjoy Mentoring below?! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects http://rt.laptop.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue=%27contributors%27 * Fast Review of the 5 latest (greatest!) HW/Project Proposals -- please join us advocating for, and/or reviewing shortcomings of these proposals: #1 Testing 1.5 - Greece #2 English for Everybody - Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia #3 Testing/constructing new Sugar on top of F11 - Munich, Germany / Massachusetts #4 GeoGebra, world-wide mathematics software - Linz, Austria #5 Promotional XO - The Netherlands / Nepal <carolruthsilver> hello <CanoeBerry> Hiya! <CanoeBerry> Carol: did you receive Tim's email regarding his non-XO strategy? <carolruthsilver> sorry we scared him off -- yes. <CanoeBerry> No worries! <CanoeBerry> How are you? <CanoeBerry> Can you hang out 10min until others join? <carolruthsilver> great. Leaving for Af prob on 13th . yes can wait. I am doing Rosetta Stone Farsi on other box. * sandrat has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Sandra, hi! <CanoeBerry> How are you? <CanoeBerry> sandrat: you there? <sandrat> Yes I am here <CanoeBerry> We have 5 proposals to review fast this week, from Greece, Bolivia, Germany/Massachusetts, Austria and the Netherlands. <CanoeBerry> Please recruit jurors on other channels while wait a few min! <sandrat> pl <sandrat> ok <carolruthsilver> I will call Jim Stockford to join us. <sandrat> can you post the project list again * sdziallas is now known as sdziallas_afk <carolruthsilver> Jim cannot join us, says sorry. <CanoeBerry> At last sorry. <CanoeBerry> Agenda is now posted and we can begin: <CanoeBerry> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2010-February/009996.html <cjb> hi folks <CanoeBerry> Shall we? [ PROJECT #1 - Testing 1.5 - Greece ] <CanoeBerry> Project #1 is here -- please all discuss: <CanoeBerry> Testing 1.5 - Greece <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=56928 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO 1.5 "not prototype" over undetermined months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Alpha testing, debugging, developing and getting "playing" feedback <CanoeBerry> from an 11-year old * bemasc has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Contributor is well-published in our community. <CanoeBerry> His nick is "mavrothal" on olpcnews.com etc <sandrat> omg 11 years old. pretty humble then lists all his accomplishments <sandrat> he wasnt one xo 1.5? <cjb> I don't think it's him that's 11 :) <CanoeBerry> Mitch Bradley sent him our way. <cjb> or is it? <CanoeBerry> Seems we need a bit more detail, agreed? <carolruthsilver> What's wrong with an 11 year old? our target demographic is about 7! <CanoeBerry> Also XO-1.5's are not available today yet, so we have time to clarify with this gentleman (or boy). <CanoeBerry> Agreed, but his proposal needs beefing up, no? * KChristophD has joined #olpc-meeting * Blaketh (bsetlow@heron.sccs.swarthmore.edu) has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Welcome All! <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: hi <cjb> carolruthsilver: there's nothing wrong, I just think he's an adult talking about how he'll get playtesting from a separate 11 y-o <CanoeBerry> Should this 11-year get the very 1st production XO-1.5? :) <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: just e-mailed the GeoGebra guy <CanoeBerry> KChistophD: thx, that's project #4 and we're on #1 now, let's make it quick. <sandrat> It's always good to get the proposer to set some specific goals. Is that likely for Yioryos CB? <CanoeBerry> All: Conclusions/Votes Please <sandrat> +1 * dristi has joined #olpc-meeting <cjb> +1, he's been a sustained contributor <CanoeBerry> sandrat: Please don't use his name in public in case he's 11 years old. <CanoeBerry> Use his nick only: mavrothal <sandrat> oops <bemasc> This is just a miscommunication. <CanoeBerry> Objections? * culseg_ has joined #olpc-meeting <cjb> bemasc: I think so too <tsakore> sorry to interupt but 11 years old is my son (alias for mavrothal) <cjb> but it doesn't affect my +1 <carolruthsilver> no <cjb> oh, ok :) <carolruthsilver> vote 1+, no objection <CanoeBerry> tsakore: we're voting on your project, can you provide a bit more detail before we finalize? <CanoeBerry> Quickly? <tsakore> what would you ke to now <tsakore> ? <CanoeBerry> What is your testing agenda and where will you provide feedback and how. <tsakore> sorry typing on XO :) <culseg_> +1 for number 1 for 2XOs if useful, appears to be a prolific tester <carolruthsilver> agree, 2 XO-1.5 <tsakore> dev list, fedora list, puppy linux and mostly olpcnews <CanoeBerry> tsakore: contact me later so we can harmonize your testing strategy with New Zealand's, including Tim McNamara helping me work with a professional testing team in Sri Lanka. <CanoeBerry> CONCLUSION: Approved. <tsakore> OK thx <bemasc> tsakore is not really a tester; he's an OS developer <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #2 now... <CanoeBerry> bemasc: OK [ PROJECT #2 - English for Everybody - Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia ] <CanoeBerry> Please all mentor-or-critique Proj #2 here: <CanoeBerry> English for Everybody - Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=56932 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 10 XOs over 12 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Since we are teachers and not computer experts, <CanoeBerry> programming our courses will take at least a year. After that and if we <CanoeBerry> are successful, we will start courses on other subjects. <CanoeBerry> Why English? The Bolivian government announced two days ago, the new <CanoeBerry> teaching program for Bolivia. (This government is a Socialist-Indigenous <CanoeBerry> supporter and is very strong now). <CanoeBerry> All schools in Bolivia will have to change all history books as <CanoeBerry> “liberal” heroes will be eliminated, replacing them with indigenous <CanoeBerry> martyrs and every school will have to teach 3 languages: Spanish, an <CanoeBerry> indigenous “originary” language (guarani for this region) and another <CanoeBerry> foreign language, preferably English. Laptops will be of great help as <CanoeBerry> we can show many other things than through a conventional lesson. If in <CanoeBerry> the future we can buy a projector, it will close our idea of future <CanoeBerry> teaching by being able to show films, videos, etc. <CanoeBerry> We have been contacted by people who represent the future local <CanoeBerry> authorities in order to know more about our project and we have full <CanoeBerry> support from whoever wins. <dristi> Hi sorry I'm late; here now..is this Yama's? <sandrat> not sure what the submitter means by programming courses. Are they developing activities ? <KChristophD> sandrat: my thoughts exactly <CanoeBerry> Please read the full application here: <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=56932 <sandrat> do they need programming skills for their goals <CanoeBerry> The applicant is not named Yama. <cjb> > Our plans are to program an English Course for Primary, Middle and High <cjb> School students. <carolruthsilver> This is like Tim in Tanzania, -- there is nothing constructivist, but maybe it is good anyway. <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: have they been in touch with yama? <sandrat> I love the project, but not sure why they can't start sooner with some curriculum <culseg_> is Yama still active and is he playing a role in this project? <CanoeBerry> KChristophD: no idea :) <CanoeBerry> culseg_: No sure! <cjb> haven't heard much from Yama lately <bemasc> Curriculum development is one of the canonical purposes of the contributors' program. <bemasc> no evidence of Yama in the ticket. <sandrat> don't think they should restrict themselves to just english. Other remakes of social history wud be good candidates <CanoeBerry> Applicant has renamed us "OCPC", is that One Construct* Per Child? <sandrat> they do mention XO work with other subjects .. good * rdyrussia (~60ffbaab@olpc.osuosl.org) has joined #olpc-meeting <cjb> shall we mail Yama to ask what he thinks and if he wants to work with them? <bemasc> Frankly, the whole thing seems pretty hazy to me. * Orange-Sienna-92 has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Becky: welcome! <cjb> if we don't get a reply, then we could make a decision ourselves <CanoeBerry> Orange-Sienna-92: welcome and please introduce yourself! <cjb> we would need a mentor in any case <KChristophD> cjb: +1 on that proposal <carolruthsilver> If Curriculum deevelopment is a good purpose, why not approve? <bemasc> I have no evidence that they have any idea what they are doing. <dristi> Yama has had big problems with customs in Bolivia <CanoeBerry> Caryl has been very active mentoring Bolivia projects too. <bemasc> It's not clear, for example, that the know what it means to program a computer. <bemasc> they <sandrat> I'd like a little more perspective on XO specifically articulated int the project <CanoeBerry> I'd like to defer to Caryl or Yama, others opinion? <dristi> How will the project leaders intend to get the contrib laptops in? <CanoeBerry> Conclusions? <sandrat> I'd like Carol or Yama to work with applicant and see it again <KChristophD> postpone decision <cjb> let's note dristi's question, too <dristi> Agree! <cjb> they should be prepared to pay customs fees for the laptops <cjb> if they have to <CanoeBerry> dristi has the magic touch putting XO's in her stockings.. * Orange-Sienna-92 Quit (Client Quit) <dristi> Thanks <CanoeBerry> OK <cjb> for that reason alone, it may be a good idea to start less ambitious, with 3-5 laptops <carolruthsilver> defer -- to another day. Onward. <cjb> so that they find out what the story with customs is <CanoeBerry> motion: Let's make these 2 recommendation to Bolivia experts like Caryl/Yama, OK <CanoeBerry> Objections? * rdyrussia Quit (Client Quit) <sandrat> no <cjb> no <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <dristi> good plan <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. * Tan-Red-85 has joined #olpc-meeting <carolruthsilver> no no obj, ok <sandrat> sorry for my ignorance : what is F11 <CanoeBerry> CONCLUSION: Defered until Caryl/Yama or other XO/Bolivia expert refines. <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #3. <KChristophD> sandrat: Fedora 11 <sandrat> OK [ PROJECT #3 - Testing/constructing new Sugar on top of F11 - Munich, Germany / Massachusetts ] <KChristophD> project #3 is an easy yes IMO <CanoeBerry> Please all help mentor/critique: <CanoeBerry> Testing/constructing new Sugar on top of F11 - Munich, Germany / <CanoeBerry> Massachusetts <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=57108 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO over 2 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 ? <CanoeBerry> CONCLUSION: PRE-APPROVED <sandrat> seems necessary; great project go ahead <bemasc> ok, next <cjb> what does.. oh <CanoeBerry> But let's talk about what Dogi is working on if he's here? <CanoeBerry> Dogi took the XO 2 days ago on Wedn. <CanoeBerry> Any suggestions for Dogi quick here? <cjb> I don't understand what the project means, but it's ok <cjb> let's move on <CanoeBerry> dogi: if you read this later please clarify for cjb & all of us. <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #4. [ PROJECT #4 - GeoGebra, world-wide mathematics software - Linz, Austria ] <CanoeBerry> Please all help mentor/critique: <CanoeBerry> GeoGebra, world-wide mathematics software - Linz, Austria <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=57258 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 2 XOs over 6 months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> Sugarize GeoGebra to run on the OLPC XO 1.5 laptops under SugarOS. We <CanoeBerry> already have contacts to SugarLabs (Walter Bender et al.) and they <CanoeBerry> will help us with Java support. This will involve adaptations of the <CanoeBerry> user interface of GeoGebra to work with the security system and <CanoeBerry> journal of SugarOS. Support of collaboration features could be a <CanoeBerry> follow-up project. <cjb> this looks interesting, but it's the first time I've heard of proposed Java bindings to Sugar <sandrat> this is an important project and needs support and approval - <cjb> so either there are plans to make them that I've just never seen, or there has been a miscommunication about whether they're going to exist <KChristophD> as mentioned earlier I e-mailed Markus, the GeoGebra project lead, and will try meet up with him in Linz next week <KChristophD> cjb: good points <bemasc> Their reason for wanting XOs is "to make sure that the <bemasc> integration will work flawlessly and that (Java) performance is ok on <cjb> getting Java to run gtk2/dbus/collaboration/journal is a massive project in itself <bemasc> the real hardware." <CanoeBerry> walterbender spent time (on the phone i think??) this morn with this group, and seems happy this is forcing the issue on Java support. <bemasc> That's true, but as cjb says, they've got a lot of work to do before performance optimizations. <cjb> bemasc: the claim is that they're sugarizing their activity <cjb> as it stands, I think that claim is false or misunderstood <jpritikin> we have java compilers like gcj and vmkit that make java pretty similar to C <bemasc> cjb: possibly the tense is wrong. * carolruthsilver Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) <cjb> jpritikin: sure, but then the proposal should be "I will write and test gtk2/dbus/telepathy/whatever bindings for Java" <cjb> and it will take a year <cjb> and it will be very impressive if it succeeds <bemasc> well, you can make "loose bindings" pretty fast with a wrapper script, a la sugarize.c <jpritikin> cjb: granted <CanoeBerry> How much more time do we need here? <cjb> bemasc: ok. so maybe when they say sugarize, they don't mean journal or collaboration integration. <bemasc> I think if we give them XOs, it's as encouragement, not out of necessity. <bemasc> cjb: sugarize.c does permit journal integration. My Wine activites are journal-integrated! <cjb> ah, ok <sandrat> seems worthwhile getting the information on their work whether it suceeds or fails <CanoeBerry> 2 XO's is OK with me, even if their project direction later changes? <sandrat> +1 <KChristophD> +1 <bemasc> collab via telepathy is a bit harder, but it can all be done through dbus, and there are dbus-java bindings. <cjb> CanoeBerry: I think the question is whether it's valuable for us to have software that runs on an XO that is not really a Sugar activity <dristi> +1 <cjb> or rather, whether it's valuable for OLPC to sponsor that <CanoeBerry> O wait, they seem to want 2 XO-1.5's right? <KChristophD> cjb: OLE Nepal <CanoeBerry> That was the gist of the 1st email this morning I thought I received via Walter anyway. <KChristophD> does Flash atm and I would say it is very valuable <cjb> I'd be delighted if they said "we want our code to run on the XO, so we're going to port it to gtk2/python", like most people do <CanoeBerry> In any case.. <cjb> KChristophD: I don't understand, sorry <culseg_> +1 add up for me and I do remember another Java math program that was more XO age appropriate <CanoeBerry> Let's give this 2 more min -- I have to go to NYC for Haiti events. <KChristophD> cjb: saying that OLE Nepal has done almost all their stuff in Flash and I think it is very useful even though it's not a Sugar activity written in python <cjb> well, I guess I'm -1, because I think they think they're applying to do something that they can't actually do <bemasc> cjb: writing a java activity for Sugar really isn't as hard as you think, if you enjoy D-Bus. <bemasc> all of the Sugar API is now accessibly through D-Bus <bemasc> accessible <CanoeBerry> Do we trust KChristophD as a co-mentor even though he works for OLPC News? ;) <cjb> do they enjoy dbus? <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: :P <cjb> we don't know. they probably don't know what dbus is, because they haven't thought very heard about what it means to sugarize something. <bemasc> right <culseg_> he can take dbus there to help them! <cjb> culseg_: :) <CanoeBerry> Let's get a rough consensus here. <CanoeBerry> I say take the risk. <CanoeBerry> bemasc: ? <bemasc> CanoeBerry: It doesn't cost me anything to send them laptops. <CanoeBerry> Calling once.. <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <culseg_> fine for me (and I will look for related geo-math Java program) <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <dristi> i'm lost too technical for me to weigh in but isn't much risk +1 * newnick has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> Conclusion: Let these ambition folks run with 2 XO's, or even Xo-1.5's if we can must some such. [ PROJECT #5 - Promotional XO - The Netherlands / Nepal ] <CanoeBerry> Onto Project #5 -- please all mentor/critique: <CanoeBerry> Promotional XO - The Netherlands / Nepal <CanoeBerry> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=57262 <CanoeBerry> [SPECIFIC SITE NEEDS TO BE POSTED OFF <CanoeBerry> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects ] <CanoeBerry> Requests 1 XO over undetermined months <CanoeBerry> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry> The objective of the project is: Computer supported education within the <CanoeBerry> primary school in Serachour, Nepal based on a sustainable model. <CanoeBerry> Deliverables: <CanoeBerry> The following deliverables are addressed: <CanoeBerry> • 40 XO´s used and working at the primary school of Serachour <CanoeBerry> • A working infrastructure (internet, school server, electricity) <CanoeBerry> • Trained teachers and children <CanoeBerry> • A self supporting and self learning school based on local parties (= <CanoeBerry> sustainable) <CanoeBerry> • Connection with the existing Nepali educational platform, OLE Nepal <CanoeBerry> and teachers of other schools <CanoeBerry> Sorry that's 1 XO for 5 months. <cjb> I can't tell whether they're buying XOs or getting CP ones, or how many CP ones they're asking for. <CanoeBerry> 5+ months. <KChristophD> do I understand that correctly and he wants to use that XO for fund raising? <CanoeBerry> A bit confusing yeah. <sandrat> This is a request for 1 XO for 5 months: Objective doesn't say what the 1 XO will be used for - is it to get started on a 40 laptop project <bemasc> "Promotional XO" <sandrat> Sounds as if submitter has funding already for the 40 <bemasc> i.e. demo to drum up $ <newnick> sorry I got lost, am back -- If they already have 40 xo's ... maybe they want one xo 1.5 <CanoeBerry> 200 children in school raises the saturation issue too - are plans for all 200 kids in the works later? <bemasc> nope, XO-1. <dristi> I couldn't find the proposal in the ticket <sandrat> ticket just says XO <newnick> suggest that is a good use, ie drum up $. give 2, not one, so can demo mesh. <CanoeBerry> dristi: proposal is pasted into ticket http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=57262 <sandrat> if it is to jump start a project, 1 XO for someone with he experience is a good investment <dristi> but i am wondering how they can demonstrate anything collaborative with just one XO and no mesh? <CanoeBerry> newnick: disfunctional mesh aside, we generally recommend 2 XO's as a minimum for collaboration in-person yes. <KChristophD> dristi, newnick: not convinced anymore that promising mesh and collaboration is a good idea... <newnick> newnick is me carol ruth silver./ thjanks for clarification./ <bemasc> The members of this team include veterans of OLE Nepal <dristi> I think it is important for anyone with any knowledge of using the XOs to see 2 or 3 working together. <bemasc> (Rabi Karmacharya) <CanoeBerry> Personally I agree -- it forces them to involve a school mate etc and build community in their area even if just a wee bit. <culseg_> how does this CP project relate to current OLPC efforts in Nepal? <newnick> vote: +1 for 2 xo's. much to do. <dristi> because how can teachers see this feature on the XO <sandrat> Wud be good to know if he already has the funding for the 40 submitter plans to purchase <CanoeBerry> KChristophD: can you provide any Nepal context for this project? <newnick> pls forgive, must go. Bye. CRS <KChristophD> bemasc: but the laptop is going to the netherlands, so the fine OLE Nepal folks can only be involved so much in THIS actual project <dristi> is the funder considering other notebooks too? and how will the XO be showcased... <dristi> to compete? <CanoeBerry> newnick: thanks for yr help! <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: dont know anything about this project, but they must have at least talked to OLE Nepal because they're mentioning rabi and ties <CanoeBerry> KChristophD: any hints if an effective mentor's possible? <CanoeBerry> Or even a very parttime one :) <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: honestly cant say <sandrat> I'd say approval tentative. Submitter needs to say what the requested XO will be used for, rather than the bigger project. <KChristophD> sandrat: good idea <CanoeBerry> Martin Vijn in the Netherlands referred this project to us. <dristi> that said, i believe small deployments spread the mission. I have ?'s but no objection to 2 XOs. I don't think just 1 is enough to showcase it <CanoeBerry> Is sandrat's our conclusion? <bemasc> Well, they also want to buy 40 XOs, which is impossible. <CanoeBerry> True <sandrat> submitter can respond to why not 2, and that can be decided if we give tentative approval <bemasc> (but maybe they'll buy in through OLE?) <CanoeBerry> Unless they buy 40 on eBay <CanoeBerry> Or work like crazy soliting XO's here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Donate_Your_Get_One <CanoeBerry> OLPC seems to have received 1000+ redonated XOs in Texas this past week for Haiti.. <dristi> why not suggest two pilots with 50 each then they can buy 100 <dristi> because there won't be any XOs left for the Give your G! <CanoeBerry> Time! <CanoeBerry> Conclusions Please! <CanoeBerry> Vote :) <KChristophD> see sandrat's suggestion from before <CanoeBerry> +1 <sandrat> Tentative + 1 . gotta go sorry <dristi> 2 XO-1's +1 <CanoeBerry> Agreed. <CanoeBerry> Last Call... <CanoeBerry> Calling twice.. <CanoeBerry> Calling thrice.. <culseg_> +1 , tentative, plus get some local support...eightdot? <CanoeBerry> CONCLUSION: approved for up-to-2 XO's if use strongly clarified -- and usual Contributor Project requirements: publication quasimonthly off http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects <CanoeBerry> culseg: great idea -- would be lovely if you could cultivate eightdot [ CLOSING REMARKS ] <tsakore> CanoeBerry:How do I contact you? You have my e-mail. Drop me a line. IRC is not my thing :) <CanoeBerry> tsakore: reply to contributors@laptop.org keeping in the subject line: #56928 <tsakore> OK <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: have fun in NYC! <CanoeBerry> Or on unrelated matters, use: holt @ laptop.org <dristi> CanoeBerry: I need to get you the PP today <CanoeBerry> KChristophD: thanks for bankrolling this EuroCentric meeting. <CanoeBerry> dristi: PowerPoint kills ;) PDF, eh? <KChristophD> CanoeBerry: was a pleasure, as always <CanoeBerry> irc's only slightly more fun than drinking, agreed :) <dristi> I dont understand <KChristophD> :-D <CanoeBerry> dristi: everyone loves to bash PowerPoint, don't listen to me <dristi> how to you want me to send it so you can put the link up before the 12:00PM sunday meeting? * klouddy has joined #olpc-meeting <CanoeBerry> dristi: i can convert your PowerPoint to PDF for you, not a problem. <Blaketh> CanoeBerry: How are you traveling to NYC? <CanoeBerry> Bus <CanoeBerry> You too? <Blaketh> Very likely. I'm worried about the snow. <CanoeBerry> We're trying to get a jump on it dinnertime, but lots to do before then. <dristi> good so I can just email the thing to you? <CanoeBerry> Haiti can't wait for sissies scared of snowflakes. <CanoeBerry> ;) <dristi> i know u have to go <dristi> what time will you be in on Sunday...don't get stuck in NYC! * KChristophD Quit <CanoeBerry> dristi: let's meet 11:30am Sunday <CanoeBerry> At 1 Cambridge Center, Kendall Square, Cambridge <dristi> ok. I'll email you my cell ph #. I'll be in Boston early! <CanoeBerry> Keep my number handy and also look for (or post!) a paper note on the door, for all latecomers! <CanoeBerry> 11:30am, OK? <CanoeBerry> Cosi across the street if nec. <dristi> I have your #'s <CanoeBerry> Great, bye! <dristi> Yes. but call me if you are running late * Tan-Red-85 Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) <dristi> ok. you have equipment for the PP live? <dristi> i assume so. safe progductive trip to NYC. see you sunday. bye