OLPC:Volunteer Infrastructure Group/2008-09-16
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Action items
Sep 16 17:34:31 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: NDA for gangs Sep 16 17:40:29 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: compartimentalize services to independent vhosts Sep 16 17:46:23 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: owner for weka Sep 16 17:50:56 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: gregdek to look for a buildmaster-general for weka Sep 16 17:59:03 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: isforinsects to inventory databases and coordinate backup scripts Sep 16 18:02:27 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: review solar with an eye to separating public-facing and confidential servers and services Sep 16 18:16:09 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: future meeting to review "build process" and look for oppportunity to leverage help from say Fedora to keep devels focused on doing devel Sep 16 18:21:10 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: check MX records for RT Sep 16 18:26:52 <adric> ACTION ITEM; Go on call for OLPC sysad. Roger Sep 16 18:31:14 <mchua> ACTION ITEM: mchua send notes, questions to i-gang list
Agenda
Sep 16 17:12:45 <hhardy> Here is the draft agenda: Sep 16 17:12:56 <hhardy> status of weka way forward for weka Sep 16 17:12:56 <hhardy> status of owl and swan need detailed transition plan for owl and swan deployment and pedal, crank upgrades Sep 16 17:12:59 <hhardy> what other resources should go to W-91 need detailed transition plan for moving things to W-91 Sep 16 17:13:02 <hhardy> tsm backups client install and configure Sep 16 17:13:05 <hhardy> mock downtime; status Sep 16 17:13:07 <hhardy> database backups need step-by-step plan for database backups Sep 16 17:13:10 <hhardy> moving solar to W-91, move confidential stuff elsewhere (?) Sep 16 17:13:12 <hhardy> new rt instance Sep 16 17:13:15 <hhardy> UPS for critical machines Sep 16 17:13:17 <hhardy> rt status rt team "minions" Sep 16 17:13:20 <hhardy> big sister 24x7 oncall list Sep 16 17:13:22 <hhardy> new business Sep 16 17:13:25 <hhardy> any additions/corrections/deletions? Sep 16 17:15:08 <cjl> hhardy, maybe there should be a general follow-up line item for keeping track of things tha will move slowly (e..g spam, etc.) Sep 16 17:15:28 <adric_> Spam moves pretty quick :D They have good cable modems. Sep 16 17:15:40 <cjl> low on hte list, just before new business call it "old business" a:-)\ Sep 16 17:15:42 * adric_ is now known as adric Sep 16 17:15:46 <isforinsects> Yeah, ones that belong to other people :S Sep 16 17:15:51 <hhardy> let's add spam to the topic isforinsects and kimquirk and I discussed issue this morning in a ftf Sep 16 17:16:04 <hhardy> to the agenda rather Sep 16 17:16:09 <adric> agree Sep 16 17:16:17 * gregdek hullos. :) Sep 16 17:16:26 <cjl> It's also a corodination thing, good to track Sep 16 17:16:38 <isforinsects> Alright, let's get started
Meeting notes
Sep 16 17:16:39 <hhardy> gregdek: salutations Sep 16 17:16:44 * cjl not expecting any miracles Sep 16 17:17:10 * mchua pops in, waves Sep 16 17:17:15 <mchua> here to watch and learn about what's going on Sep 16 17:17:37 <adric> mel !!! yay :) Sep 16 17:17:37 <mchua> (and doc mtg notes to teamwiki, if hhardy so desires) ;) Sep 16 17:17:54 <mchua> or publicwiki, better yet, for stuff that can go there. Sep 16 17:18:16 <isforinsects> /topic Status of Weka Sep 16 17:18:24 * isforinsects isn't OP ;( Sep 16 17:18:34 * adric consoles isforinsects Sep 16 17:18:36 <hhardy> mchua: yes great notes are good to public wiki page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group Sep 16 17:19:03 <isforinsects> mchua, I've been logging the notes. I have a couple scripts from mstone that aid in this Sep 16 17:19:18 <mchua> isforinsects: cool, can please pass these on to me post-meeting? Sep 16 17:19:43 <cjl> What is role of weka? Sep 16 17:19:46 <mchua> hhardy: (also for post-meeting) if there isn't yet an "intro to our existing infrastructure" page I'd be happy to ask the stupid questions required to make one ;) Sep 16 17:20:08 <mchua> ...which should include things like "what machines we have and what they do" (as per cjl's question) Sep 16 17:20:09 <cjl> mchua like that one ^ Sep 16 17:20:14 <mchua> aye-aye. Sep 16 17:20:23 <hhardy> mchua: we have a number of pages on iternal wiki which need to be traged for sensitive information and majority moved to the public pages Sep 16 17:20:31 <adric> I was so happy when I found out machine RT was on :) Sep 16 17:20:33 <hhardy> *triaged Sep 16 17:20:40 <mchua> hhardy: happy to do that - will ping you after this meeting on it. Sep 16 17:21:05 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to isforinsects Sep 16 17:21:21 <mchua> woo isforinsects has the power! Sep 16 17:21:25 <mchua> anyway, weka
Weka
Sep 16 17:21:32 * isforinsects has changed the topic to:
Status of Weka
Sep 16 17:21:42 <hhardy> Weka is a HP DL 185
Sep 16 17:21:55 <hhardy> it has 8 GB ram and 4.5 tb
diskarray
Sep 16 17:22:12 <hhardy> it is intended to be a build
environment
Sep 16 17:22:25 <hhardy> replacement for xs-dev and
possible mock, pilgrim
Sep 16 17:22:57 <hhardy> a community member has taken
responsibility for setting it up but I haven't had any updates
from Dennis as to status
Sep 16 17:23:00 <mchua> xs-dev, mock, and pilgrim are all
old/out-of-commision/deprecated machines, or soon-to-be?
Sep 16 17:23:13 <hhardy> they are used atm
Sep 16 17:23:20 <hhardy> xs-dev is way overloaded
Sep 16 17:24:13 <hhardy> mchua: I should have had
introductions in agenda would you say a few lines about who
you are/what role you forsee in the infra-gang pls?
Sep 16 17:24:40 <hhardy> {quick takes a bite of burrito}
Sep 16 17:24:58 <mchua> Mel Chua, new QA/Support engineer as
of yesterday, longtime volunteer, [[User:Mchua]] for more details
Sep 16 17:25:10 <cjl> hhardy, is there someone that can
take on the job of bugging that vol (nicely)?
Sep 16 17:25:33 <mchua> i'm hoping i-gang will become part
of what I do in my "off-hours" for fun/volunteeringness...
interested in the infrastructure for QA/Support volunteers
in particular, for obvious reasons
Sep 16 17:25:38 <hhardy> who wants to shepherd weka?
Sep 16 17:26:07 <mchua> (and when I say infrastructure, I
mean non-technical as well, but for i-gang purposes, the
technical ones mostly.)
Sep 16 17:26:09 <mchua> </intro>
Sep 16 17:26:20 <hhardy> dgilmore: ping?
Sep 16 17:26:38 <cjl> Who has a good relationship
with that vol and can bug (nicely)?
Sep 16 17:27:14 <cjl> hhardy dgilmore is on #olpc on
freenode
Sep 16 17:27:21 * m_stone (~mstone@dhcp-47-72.media.mit.edu)
has joined #olpc-admin
Sep 16 17:27:40 <hhardy> could someone jump over and
ping him see if he can update us ok weka?
Sep 16 17:27:44 * cscott (~cscott@wireless-19-94.media.mit.edu)
has joined #olpc-admin
Sep 16 17:27:47 <isforinsects> m_stone, and cscott are going to
show up and say something about this
Sep 16 17:27:48 <hhardy> *on weka
Sep 16 17:28:06 <hhardy> regarding the role of mock
and pilgrim
Sep 16 17:28:20 <cscott> oh, is that what we're
talking about?
Sep 16 17:28:21 <hhardy> we had downtime on mock
on Sat which is unexplained as yet
Sep 16 17:28:29 <hhardy> topic is weka
Sep 16 17:28:31 <cscott> i was just going to
mention how mock/pilgrim were set up
Sep 16 17:28:45 <hhardy> thats fine we might as
well capture that info now
Sep 16 17:28:54 <hhardy> topic mock/pilgrim setup
Sep 16 17:28:59 * hhardy has changed the topic to:
mock/pilgrim setup
Sep 16 17:29:09 <cscott> Briefly:
https://laptop.org/internalwiki/index.php/Machine:mock#Basic_setup_and_package_installation
Sep 16 17:29:19 <cscott> (likewise the section on pilgrim)
Sep 16 17:29:24 <hhardy> most people here dont have
internal wiki access
Sep 16 17:29:33 <mchua> hhardy: can that setup info move
to public, btw?
Sep 16 17:29:37 <hhardy> we hopefully will migrate
most pages to public wiki
Sep 16 17:29:39 <cscott> user accounts on mock/pilgrim
are set up with locked passwords, to prevent password-guessing
attacks
Sep 16 17:30:04 <cscott> recent accounts added to
the machine have had passwords set, though
Sep 16 17:30:16 <hhardy> such as mine I just made
Sep 16 17:30:29 <hhardy> which I will fix
Sep 16 17:30:34 <cscott> so i just recently changed
PasswordAuthentication no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
Sep 16 17:30:38 <hhardy> nod
Sep 16 17:30:54 <cscott> and locked the passwords
on all the existing accounts (including hhardy)
Information access
Sep 16 17:30:55 <lfaraone> hhardy: is internalwiki different than teamwiki? Sep 16 17:31:01 <cjl> Can't see internal wiki, maybe (at some point) you might migrate some of that to team wiki as an interim step? Sep 16 17:31:11 <hhardy> lfaraone: yes Sep 16 17:31:28 <cjl> lfaraone: I think it is the mysterious and never spoken of "third wiki". Sep 16 17:31:30 <hhardy> cjl: those things which can't go to public wiki can go to teamwiki Sep 16 17:31:42 <cscott> public wiki is public Sep 16 17:31:56 <cscott> internal wiki == olpc-internal stuff, people's addresses and cell phone #s, etc Sep 16 17:32:08 <cscott> HR stuff, plus network config, passwords for accounts, etc. Sep 16 17:32:22 <lfaraone> cscott: other words, stuff I should be NDA'd for :) Sep 16 17:32:34 <cscott> teamwiki was set up to provide a place for NDA stuff that could be shared with others who had signed an NDA Sep 16 17:32:41 <cscott> like schematics and etc. Sep 16 17:32:54 <cscott> teamwiki was explicitly set up to be *not* employee only Sep 16 17:33:05 <cscott> we wouldn't necessarily give NN's phone number to our AMD partners Sep 16 17:33:20 <cscott> but we would give them access to the XO schematic (which Quanta requires an NDA for) Sep 16 17:33:25 <hhardy> kimquirk today suggested moving the internal sysadmin docs to teamwiki, those which can't/shouldn't be public Sep 16 17:33:45 <lfaraone> hhardy: or you could NDA the VIG members. Sep 16 17:34:04 <hhardy> that is a possibility Sep 16 17:34:05 <kimquirk> and we should all 'gang' members to get to team... they have to understand an abide by the nda of our partners. Sep 16 17:34:31 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: NDA for gangs Sep 16 17:34:51 <kimquirk> we had also discussed setting up parts of the teamwiki that were just for the community members... such as support-gang, infrastructure-gang, and not worry about getting to partner data. Sep 16 17:35:01 <cscott> we've been around this topic a number of times before, and seem to get hung up on how/where we store the root/database/etc passwords for our services Sep 16 17:35:11 <cscott> not on the public wiki, presumably Sep 16 17:35:14 <mchua> kimquirk: that's actually something I was wondering, if we should make signing an NDA a part of the teamwiki account application process, for everyone. Sep 16 17:35:16 <m_stone> :) Sep 16 17:35:42 <lfaraone> cscott: well, if you're gonna have the VIG assisting in admining your servers... Sep 16 17:35:52 <cjl> at moment, SG'ers get "Team" space on teamwiki, but no other "spaces". Sep 16 17:35:53 <m_stone> I believe we posted some discussion of this subject... Sep 16 17:35:54 <kimquirk> mchua: I think it is important to protect our partners... Sep 16 17:36:13 <cscott> lfaraone: yes, there wants to be some space for VIG Sep 16 17:36:18 <isforinsects> Ideally we can create a 'clear bright line' between public and internal. Sep 16 17:36:20 <cscott> lfaraone: the question is, where that space should be Sep 16 17:36:35 <cscott> lfaraone: and how to manage matters when VIG members join/leave Sep 16 17:36:36 <isforinsects> That way we can give people a lot more free rein (root, etc) in the public servers. Sep 16 17:36:56 <lfaraone> cscott: that's the idea of sudo. Sep 16 17:37:05 <hhardy> yes sudo, not root Sep 16 17:37:07 <m_stone> cscott: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_talk:Volunteer_Infrastructure_Group, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Infrastructure_1, and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User_talk:Mstone/Commentaries/Infrastructure_1 seem apropos Sep 16 17:37:14 <lfaraone> cscott: you have auditability. Sep 16 17:37:25 <cscott> lfaraone: how does sudo manage database passwords? Sep 16 17:37:37 <lfaraone> cscott: hrm.. that's a different matter. Sep 16 17:37:45 <lfaraone> cscott: NDAs manage database passwords. Sep 16 17:37:46 <cscott> is the exact network configuration of our hosts sensitive? Sep 16 17:37:51 <cscott> if so, where is that stored? Sep 16 17:38:14 <hhardy> let's carry on this topic to the discussion page for the mstone commentaries Sep 16 17:38:24 <hhardy> anything further on mock/pilgrim? Sep 16 17:39:01 <hhardy> someone said dgilmore had been seen? ping him? Sep 16 17:39:06 <cscott> well, one last thing for VIG: my long term proposal has been to split up our services into separate vhosts as much as possible Sep 16 17:39:23 <cscott> so that we can give people root on (say) wiki.laptop.org without worrying that we're going to crash (say) dev.laptop.org. Sep 16 17:39:39 <dogi> hi all Sep 16 17:39:52 <hhardy> dogi: hail Sep 16 17:39:56 <cscott> having once brought all of dev, trac, pootle, etc down at once accidentally, i am partial to splitting services Sep 16 17:40:06 <dogi> sorry i m late Sep 16 17:40:15 <cscott> the counter argument made is the "put all of your eggs in one basket and *watch that basket*" one Sep 16 17:40:25 >kimquirk< is http://pastebin.ca/1204800 pretty much what the various wikis are for / how access to them is handled? (trying to figure out where to put which meeting notes) Sep 16 17:40:29 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: compartimentalize services to independent vhosts
Back to weka
Sep 16 17:41:22 <hhardy> what IRC was dgilmore in? Sep 16 17:41:30 <cscott> remote power on/off would have made fixing mock over the weekend easier, too. Sep 16 17:41:42 <cscott> i think that's part of henry's action item to move servers to W20 Sep 16 17:41:50 <cjl> I jsus pinged dgilmore in #olpc on freenode, no response. Sep 16 17:41:57 <hhardy> W19, the MIT colo facility Sep 16 17:42:13 <hhardy> ok I feel like we need a new owner for weka to move forward Sep 16 17:42:17 <lfaraone> weka? Sep 16 17:42:26 <dogi> weka? Sep 16 17:42:29 <hhardy> weka.l.o, new build environment server Sep 16 17:42:41 <lfaraone> ah Sep 16 17:42:44 <dogi> thx Sep 16 17:42:55 <lfaraone> damn, that'll ruin our w.l.o abbr for the wiki. Sep 16 17:43:00 <lfaraone> :)\ Sep 16 17:43:17 <adric> is weka a bird or a power source, or both? Sep 16 17:43:20 <hhardy> it really needs someone with deep fedora build experience Sep 16 17:43:37 <hhardy> bird, possibly powersource if we adapt the cow-powered generator Sep 16 17:43:38 <lfaraone> m_stone: you? Sep 16 17:44:17 <hhardy> m_stone is v busy managing release Sep 16 17:44:19 <cjl> lfaraone: I think m_stone might be busy right now with 8.2 Sep 16 17:44:54 <cjl> Who has Fedora contacts? Sep 16 17:44:54 <hhardy> erikg or martin possibly Sep 16 17:45:25 <hhardy> gregdek: we need someone to replace/augment dgilmore in getting the new build environment server, weka.l.o, setup Sep 16 17:46:23 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: owner for weka Sep 16 17:46:24 <lfaraone> cjl: bernie, but he left :(
Swan and owl
Sep 16 17:46:40 * hhardy has changed the topic to: swan and owl status Sep 16 17:46:41 <cjl> maybe gregdek can help. Sep 16 17:46:56 <cjl> We don't have t osolve this here and now, we've got an action item. Sep 16 17:46:59 <hhardy> owl and swan are intended to be backups/mirrors of crank and pedal Sep 16 17:47:08 <hhardy> they are set up and work Sep 16 17:47:19 <hhardy> I have tested chrooting to the mirror of dev Sep 16 17:47:25 <hhardy> I have not tested all the critical apps Sep 16 17:47:48 <hhardy> I have not made a nice script, or better, init state 4 setup to do the changeover automagically Sep 16 17:48:27 <hhardy> the intent is to get these online at W-91, then schedule maintenence intervals to update crank and pedal Sep 16 17:48:46 <hhardy> per kimquirk, we need a detailled plan for the deployment and upgrade Sep 16 17:48:59 <lfaraone> W91? Sep 16 17:49:10 <hhardy> and documentation of how to rebuild crank and pedal if they die Sep 16 17:49:11 <gregdek> Sorry, got pulled away. Sep 16 17:49:14 * gregdek reads up. Sep 16 17:49:21 <hhardy> W-91, a building at MIT where the main colo facility is Sep 16 17:49:35 <gregdek> OK. Sep 16 17:49:52 <hhardy> gregdek: need to replace/augment dgilmore as owner of weka, the new xs-dev and build environment server Sep 16 17:49:54 <gregdek> How about a cattle call to the Fedora infrastructure team? See if someone wants to step up to a larger role in OLPC-land? Sep 16 17:50:02 <gregdek> I will ask around. Sep 16 17:50:03 <hhardy> gregdek: yes Sep 16 17:50:11 <isforinsects> Are, it's time to ask the Fedora team Sep 16 17:50:56 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: gregdek to look for a buildmaster-general for weka Sep 16 17:51:41 <hhardy> paulproteus had some helpful suggestions about owl and swan but havent seen him online recently
TSM backups
Sep 16 17:51:59 * hhardy has changed the topic to: TSM backups Sep 16 17:52:21 <hhardy> TSM is Tivoli Storage Manager from IBM Sep 16 17:52:31 <hhardy> it is a big robot at W-91 Sep 16 17:52:39 <hhardy> very cool thing Sep 16 17:52:54 <dogi> :) Sep 16 17:53:01 <hhardy> we need TSM ported to
ubuntu and configured to work w/ the MIT system
Sep 16 17:53:40 <hhardy> this is on my plate but
I could use some help here
Sep 16 17:53:46 <hhardy> any volunteers? Sep 16 17:53:56 <dogi> me? Sep 16 17:54:19 <isforinsects> paulproteus is online right now in #cc over at freenode Sep 16 17:54:27 <hhardy> great dogi do you want to set up a FTF to talk about this sometime this week? Sep 16 17:54:31 <isforinsects> shall I go invite him if we have specific questions? Sep 16 17:54:38 <hhardy> isfor you can ping him
and invite him over here pls?
Sep 16 17:54:43 <dogi> FTF? Sep 16 17:55:04 <adric> FTF == "face to face" Sep 16 17:55:06 <lfaraone> dogi: face to face Sep 16 17:55:09 <dogi> ok :) Sep 16 17:55:48 <hhardy> you know, now through a
glass darkly, but then, face to face
Sep 16 17:55:53 * paulproteus (~paulprote@wide-rose.makesad.us) has joined #olpc-admin Sep 16 17:56:11 <hhardy> greetings paulproteus Sep 16 17:56:16 <paulproteus> Howdy. Sep 16 17:56:27 <hhardy> we talked about mock Sep 16 17:56:28 <paulproteus> Personal load average: 9.45 Sep 16 17:56:39 <adric> yikes
DB backups
Sep 16 17:56:43 * hhardy has changed the topic to: database backups Sep 16 17:57:04 <paulproteus> MySQL? Sep 16 17:57:10 <hhardy> We need to ID all the mission critical databases and set up hot backup scripts Sep 16 17:57:16 <hhardy> mysql and lostgres Sep 16 17:57:20 <paulproteus> IMHO just daily save them to files and let the filesystem backup scripts save them. Sep 16 17:57:32 <hhardy> paulproteus yep Sep 16 17:57:37 <paulproteus> Great. Sep 16 17:57:50 <adric> mysqldmp usually locks the dbs, but you are on the right track Sep 16 17:57:57 <hhardy> does anyone have useful hot backup scripts for those? Sep 16 17:58:13 <hhardy> hot as in, non-locking Sep 16 17:58:29 <hhardy> *postgres Sep 16 17:59:02 <paulproteus> http://mysqlbackup.zmanda.com/ FWIW Sep 16 17:59:03 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: isforinsects to inventory databases and coordinate backup scripts Sep 16 17:59:03 <adric> for mysql we often just rsync the data files, but it's slightly risky Sep 16 17:59:15 <paulproteus> I have heard good things but have no specific knowledge of that. Sep 16 17:59:36 * hhardy has changed the topic to: moving s olar.l.o to W-91 Sep 16 17:59:55 <hhardy> today isfor and kimquirk and I were talking about possibly moving solar to W-91 Sep 16 18:00:38 <hhardy> that would mean moving any "sensitive" stuff off it and making it a "public facing" machine which would be a vserver environment as well Sep 16 18:00:48 <hhardy> there is still the open quesiton of xen v vserver Sep 16 18:00:52 <hhardy> we have both atm Sep 16 18:01:22 <cjl> hhardy: dgilmore is responding to ping in #olpc Sep 16 18:01:29 <cjl> may be joining shortly Sep 16 18:01:33 <hhardy> ok cool Sep 16 18:01:33 <m_stone> lfaraone, cjl, cscott: I have updated my statement of "communal maintenance requirements". Sep 16 18:01:36 <m_stone> please review. Sep 16 18:01:45 <m_stone> (based on your prior feedback) Sep 16 18:02:06 <cjl> m_stone: will do Sep 16 18:02:27 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: review solar with an eye to separating public-facing and confidential servers and services
RT
Sep 16 18:02:42 * hhardy has changed the topic to: rt Sep 16 18:02:51 <hhardy> adric: whats new with rt? Sep 16 18:03:11 <adric> Wel,, after the good meeting on Th, everyone wants to move forward with 3.8.x as soon as. Sep 16 18:03:28 <isforinsects> ? Sep 16 18:03:30 <adric> There's plenty of work to prep test and execute that Sep 16 18:03:36 <isforinsects> our meeting last tuesday? Sep 16 18:03:40 <hhardy> which meeting was that? Sep 16 18:03:41 <adric> yes, Sep 16 18:03:51 * dgilmore (~dgilmore@anubis.ausil.us) has joined #olpc-admin Sep 16 18:03:53 <adric> I dunno what to call that meeting.. Sep 16 18:04:04 <hhardy> VIG meeting Sep 16 18:04:06 <adric> it was S-G and kim, and some other folk Sep 16 18:04:12 <hhardy> oh ok Sep 16 18:04:18 <isforinsects> It sounds like there is a requirement of a second RT to be set up for private OLPC things. Sep 16 18:04:19 <adric> Mr Kane was there for part of it, even Sep 16 18:04:29 <adric> isforinsects: Yes, there is. Sep 16 18:04:34 <hhardy> yes we need a "private" rt instance Sep 16 18:04:36 <isforinsects> Oh right. That wasn't really a public meeting adric. Sep 16 18:04:42 <isforinsects> For instance, I wasn't invited to it :P Sep 16 18:04:48 <hhardy> that will have to be set up by employees and possibly contractors Sep 16 18:05:03 <dgilmore> isforinsects: i gave one to cscott and m_stone a couple of weeks back. ive not had a chace to do anything since then. and they chose to wait foir 9.1 to implement the changes i was working on Sep 16 18:05:07 * adric consoles isforinsects Sep 16 18:05:10 <hhardy> so that the main rt can be more user-administered Sep 16 18:05:14 <hhardy> dgilmore: welcome Sep 16 18:05:26 <lfaraone> m_stone: will do Sep 16 18:05:30 <dgilmore> hhardy: :) Sep 16 18:05:32 <hhardy> dgilmore: status of weka? Sep 16 18:05:39 <dgilmore> hhardy: ^^^
yet more weka
Sep 16 18:05:57 * hhardy has changed the topic to: weka status Sep 16 18:06:13 <cjl> cscott m_stone is weka on hold until 9.1 is out? Sep 16 18:06:21 <adric> Some other priorties were fleshed out at the unamed meeting Th, namely Spam, and the other need improvements to RT Sep 16 18:06:21 <kimquirk> whoooo... i hope not Sep 16 18:06:53 <lfaraone> m_stone: makes sense. Sep 16 18:07:06 <dgilmore> cjl: not until it is out Sep 16 18:07:12 <cscott> cjl, kimquirk: i don't think it's a good time to change our build process for 8.2. Sep 16 18:07:17 <dgilmore> cjl: but once 8.2 is out Sep 16 18:07:27 <dgilmore> in the 9.1 development cycle it will be implemented Sep 16 18:07:41 <kimquirk> right... so we're not going to wait to get weka up... what about hte 8.2.1 release? Sep 16 18:07:58 <cscott> kimquirk: will likely be done with the 8.2 process Sep 16 18:08:04 <kimquirk> or, I guess I would prefer to have a target date much sooner than March 2009 Sep 16 18:08:05 <hhardy> dgilmore: is there any need for additional help to set up weka? Sep 16 18:08:16 <cscott> weka is set up Sep 16 18:08:27 <cscott> i'm not sure what we're talking about here Sep 16 18:08:38 <kimquirk> I thought we needed a new build server... Sep 16 18:08:51 <cscott> we will move joyride builds off xs-dev first Sep 16 18:09:13 <kimquirk> i thought that was why we bought weka... to start movign things off xs-dev Sep 16 18:09:14 <cscott> the stable builds are, well, stable -- they lag behind whatever else we're doing Sep 16 18:09:33 <cscott> kimquirk: yes, but m_stone and i are rather busy making your 8.2 build at the moment Sep 16 18:09:43 <kimquirk> (my 8.2 build... thanks!) Sep 16 18:09:52 <dgilmore> hhardy: help is always welcome. Sep 16 18:10:05 <cscott> so it's not a good time for us to start moving services -- even messing with joyride at the moment Sep 16 18:10:10 <hhardy> ok gregdek is going to see if there are any fedora folks who can help with weka Sep 16 18:10:10 <kimquirk> so the question is whether builds can be owned by the community and we don't need to wait for m_stone and cscott to be available Sep 16 18:10:17 <cscott> at soon as 8.2 is "done" we can tolerate some joyride downtime to move stuff around Sep 16 18:10:26 <dgilmore> cscott: :) yep once 8.2 is done we can turn the world upside down Sep 16 18:10:35 <cjl> big difference between getting weka built and putting it into "production use", it is built (that is the status question) and it will be phased into production as build server when people aren't to busy making builds to mess with infrastructure? Sep 16 18:10:42 * reubencaron_ has quit (Quit: reubencaron_) Sep 16 18:10:50 <gregdek> I've made the first call for volunteers to assist with weka. We'll see how it goes. Sep 16 18:10:51 <cscott> cjl: that's my understanding, yes. Sep 16 18:11:01 <kimquirk> ok
RT
Sep 16 18:11:11 * hhardy has changed the topic to: RT Sep 16 18:11:16 <hhardy> back to RT, adric? Sep 16 18:11:22 <adric> hhardy: Sure Sep 16 18:11:24 <cscott> if volunteers want to get started, you can start working from dennis' mash stuff w/o us Sep 16 18:11:38 <adric> So we have 1) Upgrade , 2) features, and 3) Spam Sep 16 18:11:42 <kimquirk> cscott: is there documentation that we can point to for that to happen? Sep 16 18:11:42 <cscott> i'm just not going to switch any of the 'production' builds over to any alternate infrastructure until 8.2 is in the can. Sep 16 18:11:52 <kimquirk> sounds good. Sep 16 18:12:42 <hhardy> dgilmore: thanks for your efforts on weka thus far Sep 16 18:13:02 * hhardy has changed the topic to: RT upgrade Sep 16 18:13:33 <cscott> kimquirk: michael and i wrote some notes; mine are at https://laptop.org/internalwiki/index.php/Machine:xo-build Sep 16 18:13:43 <cscott> m_stone should be poked to post his somewhere Sep 16 18:13:49 * cscott pokes m_stone Sep 16 18:13:57 <cscott> but the best documentation right now is the code Sep 16 18:14:23 <lfaraone> hhardy: it seems that spam has worsended. Sep 16 18:14:27 <kimquirk> cscott: thanks Sep 16 18:14:41 <cscott> m_stone: did we get the git repos on xo-build pushed to dev? Sep 16 18:14:50 <lfaraone> cscott: kinda hard for us to work on collab with you on that (xo-build) Sep 16 18:14:58 <dgilmore> cscott: i put them in my ~ Sep 16 18:15:27 <dgilmore> will in my ~/public_git Sep 16 18:15:46 <cjl> hhardy, make note for future meeting to review "build process" and look for oppportunity to leverage help from say Fedora to keep devels focused on doing devel Sep 16 18:16:09 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: future meeting to review "build process" and look for oppportunity to leverage help from say Fedora to keep devels focused on doing devel Sep 16 18:16:28 <hhardy> ok dont want to run too much longer Sep 16 18:16:37 <cjl> All back to RT now? Sep 16 18:16:41 <hhardy> Adric, we need to get rt backed up and then make that upgrade Sep 16 18:16:53 <adric> hhardy: Agree. You have ticket? Sep 16 18:16:57 <hhardy> let's make a plan and associate a scedule with it Sep 16 18:17:18 <hhardy> yea getting number Sep 16 18:17:37 <adric> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=20497 Sep 16 18:17:45 <lfaraone> hhardy: shall we talk about openid? Sep 16 18:18:09 <hhardy> lfaraone: in new business if you like at end Sep 16 18:18:34 <hhardy> adric expressed a desire for minions Sep 16 18:18:42 <hhardy> anyone want to be an rt minion? Sep 16 18:18:50 <lfaraone> hhardy: what would such a task entail? Sep 16 18:19:05 <hhardy> working with adric to maintain rt Sep 16 18:19:08 <cjl> hhardy: given that RT may have a little downtime during upgrade, is there any other piecs that need to be lined up so tha it doesn't (for instance) drop mail? Sep 16 18:19:37 <hhardy> cjl: the upstream MX (spam.l.o) should queue and redeliver Sep 16 18:20:06 <cjl> Are we sure all MX records are in place now? Sep 16 18:20:21 <cscott> lfaraone: yes, it will be hard for m_stone and I to collaborate on this until 8.2 ships, sorry Sep 16 18:20:26 <hhardy> lfaraone is a pretty experienced rt user already (=ffm) Sep 16 18:20:43 <cscott> dgilmore, m_stone: releng repo pushed to http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/releng Sep 16 18:21:00 <hhardy> I forgot to ask MB about the MX records after I got back from vacation Sep 16 18:21:10 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: check MX records for RT Sep 16 18:21:23 <lfaraone> hhardy: sure. Sep 16 18:21:43 <mchua> speaking of RT and making it more community-maintained - are there any plans to offer community groups / deployments / repair centers / etc. RT hosting? Sep 16 18:21:46 <adric> Indeed, ffm is. I guess lfaraone is okay :) Sep 16 18:21:51 <hhardy> mchua: yes Sep 16 18:22:05 <mchua> hhardy: when/how/what's up with that? how do I help out / find out more? Sep 16 18:22:08 <adric> there's a queue for one repair center already Sep 16 18:22:15 <lfaraone> adric: huh? Sep 16 18:22:21 <lfaraone> ah Sep 16 18:22:26 <cjl> What else can go wrong when taking RT down briefly, or what might need to be repointed or renamed for mail to flow correctly after an upgrade? Sep 16 18:22:27 <hhardy> send a ticket to sysadmin and ask for queue to be set up Sep 16 18:22:30 <dgilmore> cscott: thanks Sep 16 18:22:31 <mchua> adric: i saw the olpc-cinci queue - was thinking of separate RT instances, even, that they could admin/setup themselves Sep 16 18:22:34 <adric> The threading is meeting is lossy, sorry. Sep 16 18:22:35 <mchua> hhardy: ^^ Sep 16 18:22:40 <dogi> cscott: i cannot enter the internal wiki ... Sep 16 18:22:46 <lfaraone> cscott: it'd have to be very short downtime, how long are we talking about? Sep 16 18:23:07 <adric> mchua: It's concevable after we get the main nstance upgraded and featureful that we can clone it out, yeah Sep 16 18:23:08 <cscott> dogi: yes, there's an action item to move machine documentation off the internal wiki Sep 16 18:23:09 <lfaraone> mchua: hrm... IMHO what we have now will work, but it wont't scale. Sep 16 18:23:20 <hhardy> having 20-some virtual machines seems like overkill Sep 16 18:23:22 <cscott> lfaraone: which downtime are you talking about? Sep 16 18:23:26 <lfaraone> cscott: rt Sep 16 18:23:36 <dogi> cscott: ok, thx Sep 16 18:23:53 <cscott> lfaraone: sorry, i don't know anything about rt Sep 16 18:23:58 <cjl> cscott: lfaraone I was the one that mentioned downtime on RT. Trying to make sure all dependencies are considered. Sep 16 18:24:08 <hhardy> mchua: coordinate with adric and ffm re: repair center queues? Sep 16 18:24:59 <hhardy> anything further on rt for now?
big sister
Sep 16 18:25:07 * hhardy has changed the topic to: big sister Sep 16 18:25:08 * adric note the clock time. I have hungry SO here .. Sep 16 18:25:21 <hhardy> 5 more minutes Sep 16 18:25:53 <hhardy> email me if you'd be willing to serve as part of a 24/7 group to watch big sis and be paged if things go down Sep 16 18:25:55 <cjl> hhardy: has tehre been any folow up with jgay and fsf tweaks to their RT that we might want to use? Sep 16 18:26:07 <hhardy> cjl: don't know about that Sep 16 18:26:11 <mchua> lfaraone: yeah, that's my worry - not scaling. Talk with you and adric about that post-meeting, if that's ok. Sep 16 18:26:17 * gregdek has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) Sep 16 18:26:26 <lfaraone> mchua: sure.
new business
Sep 16 18:26:38 * hhardy has changed the topic to: new business Sep 16 18:26:43 <mchua> hhardy: I'll be at 1cc absurdly late at least 2 nights a week; can take shifts for big sis if you show me what to do. Sep 16 18:26:52 <adric> ACTION ITEM; Go on call for OLPC sysad. Roger Sep 16 18:27:22 <hhardy> ffm, your idea on single-signon? quickly? Sep 16 18:28:03 <lfaraone> hhardy: actually, I have to be going, we'll do it next meeting. Sep 16 18:28:04 <lfaraone> (sorry) Sep 16 18:28:06 * lfaraone is afk Sep 16 18:28:13 <hhardy> ok done for now thanks folks