Audio hardware
Network/Hardware Ideas
Microphone
A built in Microphone would be usefull if dirt and echo/feedback could be controlled. If you have a microphone and speakers included with these laptops then then if you include a small peice of software they can be used as telephones or walkitalkies -- like an instant message local channel that is as easy to use as a CB radio. If the hardware looked like a radio, the oporator could use it before they learend how to use the computer.
The provenance laptop
An issue about the provenance of the particular copy of the (yet-to-be) published program obtained for running by a child on a laptop has been written about in the http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Application_Program:_Test_of_ability_with_arithmetic#Verifying_the_program section of the http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php/Application_Program:_Test_of_ability_with_arithmetic page.
A possible solution has been suggested. This is termed a provenance laptop therein. It is different from the server version which is suggested above.
In view of the fact that the provenance issue is likely to be important for many programs, not just for the application program in relation to which the issue was raised, the idea of the provenance laptop is copied to this Hardware Ideas page.
Would it be possible for there to be a special, variant, version of the laptop, say moulded in a colour different from the laptops issued to the children, which is read-only of files, with files being obtainable only over the internet and then only from one particular webspace? This special, variant, version is herein termed a "provenance laptop". The system software for such a provenance laptop could be in read-only memory. Thus, if the idea is feasible, a child could obtain files from a provenance laptop with confidence. The provenance laptop might, from time to time, need to be transported several miles to a place where files could be obtained from the internet. However, the availability of a provenance laptop facility in a rural school where there is no direct connection to the internet could be a good second best to having a direct internet connection. The provenance laptop could be used to select which files are obtained from the one particular webspace. The one particular webspace could either be a special webspace run by the government of the country where the laptop is deployed or a special webspace of the OLPC project run by the OLPC management under secure conditions, depending upon the policy choice of the government of the particular country.
Broadcast and Satellite
See Hardware Ideas - Broadcasting
Motorcycle Net
There are already people using motorcycle delivery services to carry email from village to village. I believe it is in Vietnam but it may have been Thailand. This type of networking is likely to grow once there are large numbers of wireless capable laptops in place. They either exchange info wirelessly with the motorcycle, or, more likely, a teacher runs a village base station that can collect messages all week, then do a quick upload and download while the motorcycle driver is dealing with the paper mail. Bulk data transfers would be on CD or DVD since USB drives are readily available. The villagers will quickly learn how a single USB-CD drive can multiply the usefulness of those laptops 100-fold.
It may be in Vietnam as well but this article shows that it is definitely in place in Cambodia: http://www.parish-without-borders.net/cditt/cambodia/dailylife/2004/rural-internet.htm
Support for this and mention of telesoftware and of MHP
Yes, good idea.
You might like to consider using telesoftware, that is the unidirectional cyclic broadcasting of software and its selective use, to broadcast software packages for the laptop as well.
The following webspace about the DVB-MHP (Digital Video Broadcasting - Multimedia Home Platform) interactive televison system might be of interest.
The MHP system broadcasts Java programs to interactive television sets.
The following idea, not implemented as far as I know, might be of interest in relation to digital radio.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/tor00000.htm
William Overington
5 March 2006
There is now a page about the possibility of an MHP to laptop interface
There is now a page about the possibility of an MHP to laptop interface.
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One way connection to internet helps nothing. This is passive usage like watching tv. Software distribution with USB is easy.
- Yet in areas of the world where a two-way link is impossible, a one-way system where lots of software and data such as electronic textbooks can be received from direct to school broadcasts from a geosynchronous television broadcasting satellite and stored localy, telesoftware could be very advantageous.
Hardware/Accessory Ideas
Keyboard
Moved -- see Hardware Ideas - The Keyboard
Green Hardware
Some Ideas from WorldChanging: "...We typically discuss organic polymer electronics (OPE) as a feature of the fabrication future, but the clean leapfrog application is important, too. The production of OPE is much cleaner than traditional electronics, and the materials themselves contain few if any heavy metals. Recent OPE developments include a microprocessor able to run at around 100MHz (far slower than today's fastest laptops, but easily fast enough for the kinds of basic information and communication tasks described for the OLPC project), a variety of slower circuit and sub-processor plastics, an organic polymer battery and even a colorful, fast flat-panel display. Even the solar panels often suggested as an add-on for the hundred dollar laptop could be made with organic polymer materials."
Power and Batteries
When you look atentively at military pda,they are powered by fuell cell that isn't so avaliable in theses countries and is not in the price range being considered. We have to do something with the options avalabile...
Power over Ethernet
Have you considered using 802.3af or 802.3at Power over Ethernet (POE) to power and charge the laptops. You would need to add an Ethernet Jack, NIC, and POE circuitry. You could have one Ethernet switch per class room.
- POE hubs are expensive here, but that's probably not the problem. CAT-5 cable will not be available in any location that doesn't already have a lot of computers, that's 100M of expensive cable for a classroom or 30 as opposed to about 30M of any 2 or 3 core cable they may have laying around for just power. Also I understand CAT-5 isn't good power cable, long runs at low voltage will waste half the energy that goes into the cable. 62.252.0.11 03:19, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
Batt types and charges
If you are constantly recharging the battery all the time this will greatly decrease the life of the battery. I have a laptop and I always charged the battery whenever it was powered on. After only about a year my battery life decreased from almost 2 hours to less than 20 minutes. This must be considered when making the HDL.
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NiMH batteries do not suffer from "memory effect", in fact NiCd batteries don't normally either. But, both types do suffer from voltage depression; when they are fresh and new they give a voltage of 1.2v per cell so 8 cells will give 9.6v, a useful amount. But if the cell is over charged or just always on trickle charge the cell voltage soon drops to just about one volt per cell; just 8v total, the equlivent of removing an entire cell. The interesting thing is voltage depression does NOT effect the total capacity of the battery. I have NiMH and NiCd that are completely depressed (hmmm) but they still do the job as well as they did when new.
The problem with this is the discharge graph [2]. You will notice that it's mostly flat so some designers take the 1.2v as gospel and design thier electronics to shutdown at 1.1v. If the battery is depressed by 0.2v this line comes in at about 10%..15% of the way into the capacity so you only get 10%..15% of your two and a bit hours of charge ... 20 minutes... 62.252.0.11 15:42, 17 March 2006 (EST)
i heard that nicd and nimh batteries have some fake memory effect:
it was said that they were afected by another redox transformation than the normal,when they keep staying pluged on after having fully recharged the batteries:
this redox transformation will divide the battery in 2 and have a part with the normal voltage and another part with an inferior voltage
usualy that caan be easely detected because there is a voltage jump and so they needed to be full discharged with a resistor in order to get back their capacity but i don't remember the formula for calculating the value of the resistor
213.189.165.28 19:48, 4 April 2006 (EDT)
External or Removable Crank
Re: Ideas to make the crank external. Hand cranks are an awful way to power anything excepting a hand drill! Instead, how about a small single-action or rocker device the size of a sewing machine floor switch? A single user could provide his own power by either pressing and releasing (return being spring-powered) or rocking a pedal.
Wasn't there a group looking into human-powered options, like modifying bikes to power laptops or the rocker actions you suggested? --mchua
Option could be to have the crank removable with a socket that could double to allow other devices, such as pedal, tredal or any external turning mechanism (wind power) to power the laptop. --Hckhckhck 09:58, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
Microphone data input
The microphone input jack can double as a dataport for some class of devices (when supporting a "DC-coupled" input mode), but a more general-purpose USB analog to digital device would be a great peripheral for the laptop. --Walter
AD/DA & "Parallel" interfaces
- Precisely for these types of ideas the computer needs some sort of basic A/D, D/A and suitably protected bi-directional "parallel" type interfaces. These need to be built-in so their use doessn't add wire spaghetti, cables/conversion boxes don't get lost, is "fumble free" and always available. In short, it must be simple, empowering and an idea generating catalyst. L Pfeffer March 20, 2006
- Or perhaps these miscellaneous fun things should all be available on a USB interface. It would keep it very expandaple, yet low base cost. USB devices keep getting less expensive to develop. --imajeff
Serial Port??
I know it can be done thru USB emulators... but serial ports are simple and easy to use. If someone wants to make some electronic project, or using old hardware (mouse, or serial comunications devices), it could be useful to have one.
it's just an idea, but I started making my first hardware projects with this, and even today is cheaper (at least here in Argentina) and easy to make serial ports working hardware (rather than buying PICs and programming them).
And still many hardware has serial ports (networking devices for example).
- Serial ports are NOT robust, at least nine tiny little pins that it's very easy to bend or break, not a good idea. Perhaps with a more robust connector, though IME the parallel port was more useful for electronics projects. 62.252.0.11 16:02, 17 March 2006 (EST)
- The photos from the developer boards show an external RS232 level shifter circuit attached (to some GPIO pins?). Legacy serial/parallel ports are nice for experimenting, there's IMHO no need for this for a laptop which is targeted at 6-12yo childs.
- Not to mention the fact that there IS NO OLD HARDWARE in these 3rd world villages. It would be far better to have an external power plug with circuit breaker switch so that people could use the old bananas they have laying around TO MAKE BATTERIES!!! The kids will be motivated to find a way to pedal less so lets help them learn some science.
Additional Architectural Elements
See Hardware Ideas - Additional Architectural Elements
Old style light sensitive pens ??
Old style light sensitive pens ?? maybe a touch screen it's expensive... but I use to have one of this pens with my Commodore 64. It was attached to my tv, and I don't know if it can made in LCD screens. But this could be an option. Of course it needs a cable, but it can work as an "anti losing the pen system". Who didn't lost the pen of the PDA once ?? :) (I don't have one, but my boss always..)
Light pens depend on the fact that a single pixel at a time is being illuminated on a CRT. On a STN LCD whole lines are scanned at a time while on a TFT LCD (as OLPC will use) the whole screen is constantly illuminated. Another problem is that blood flows from the arm while using a light pen on a vertical screen so users get tired very quickly.
Thanks for the explanation Jecel...
ORP 12
Moved to Hardware Ideas - Fun Things.
Including built-in streaming from e.g. teacher to students
Would the current architecture, including display design/resolution/framerate etc. allow for this in principle?
On the software side, how about some peer-to-peer streaming stuff; one CD or DVD drive/player per school class, and groups of kids watching a (same) movie on several laptops? This is possible with e.g. VLC - but could be built-in, preconfigured/high-lighted and very simple - thingie pops up saying "A neighboring laptop has started streaming video, would you like to watch?" - done.
The hardware exists off the shelve... but will they all work out of the box? Drivers? Can player software be included in the "default" software? If not a full-blown "certification" program, at least at page (on this Wiki!) with "external devices known to work" (or if not, instructions on how to get them to work will probably be needed.
Not a laptop, but an X-Term!
Is anyone willing to consider a more immediately available, dumb-terminal version of the device which would have nothing more than a touchscreen and an ethernet port?
- I WANT! A small silent X-Terminal/Media player connected by WiFi/Ethernet to a big box will be a killer app for the Linux based home or office network. Doesn't work with Windows, Microsoft see to that. This is a different spec to the OLPC though, you'd want POE or better yet network over 6-pin firewire (firewire is designed to supply lots of power) you'd probably want a 1024x768 full colour screen and perhaps more memory. This is the $2000 version of the PC. 62.252.0.11 03:35, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
One PDA per teacher (100GB/200$/Same functions as Laptop)
How about making a pocket Linux like the Archos PMA 430, built for less than 200$, with same functionalities as the 100$ laptop, but in a pocketable form factor and with a 100GB 2,5" harddrive inside. This device would also have a camera built-in, the teacher can use it to film documentaries and lessons to be used in education, and put up on the video server, for all students to be able to watch past lessons as video-on-demand.
So this device would be 100GB in the pocket and a camera, as well as it lets the teacher access all the same Linux software that is on the Laptops, and he can update the planning and the lessons for all students to access at any time of the day.
- Why not also for kids? There may be a "right size" for kids' computers. Possibly a Palm/iPAQ size device may be too small - even if an integrated laser beam based full size virtual keyboard and virtual (projected) screen are available. The main reason for "right sizing" to notebook range size is to assure the system doesn't easily get lost. On the other hand ... one could then argue that cell phones too should be "right sized" to be at least notebook sized, but we seem to be able to do well with the current smaller size. So ... perhaps a kids' computer could be Palm/iPAQ size with a full size virtual keyboard/screen. By the way ... wonder what is the real internal parts +assembly + test + packaging cost to manufacturers of various models of iPAQ or Palm or what would be wholesale prices in 1 and 10 million batch quantity. In such stellar quantities manufacturers would be glad to make a custom version capable of running the OLPC software suite and envisioned interfaces. There may be significant advantages to this approach ... Another thought is that many programs support "skins". Why not the OLPC computer - with different shape, size, etc. casing based on a common "engine" (and crank)? L Pfeffer March 20, 2006
- A "teacher" laptop could do the same thing...and is a less difficult platform,because embedded platform lend to technical dificulties...
you have several problem with this aproach:
- Hardware problems
- battery life
- price(too high technical specs)
- inavalibility of hardware
- size
- software problems
- different cpu architecture than x86
- cross compilations problems with some packages such as kde...
- different cpu architecture than x86
a device such as the pma400 isn't the right thing for puipils or teacher because of a lot of factors,first there is the hdd problem,a hdd consume a lot and is not that reliable but also the ram problem because theses devices have so little ram,for example the specs of the pma400 are:
- 30 GB 1,8" hdd that is too much and isn't cheap
- omap 5910 @ ~150mhZ that is an arm9
- 64 MB(i think) of ram with 41/42 MB usable on an EMBEDDED os that is very light...
- not a lot battery life due to the hdd...
- 320x240 screen that is problematic
- not hardened
- non standard battery components=>higly problematic...
if you construct a better one you'll have:
- soc
- 30 GB
- 640x480
- 128MB ram
that kind of device is a lot superior than the devices in america,europe or asia and would be resold... if you want a better one you'll have:
- no hdd:flash
- x86 cpu
- 128 MB ram
- flash
- hardened
- bigger...
so you'll have the same olpc than the one we have already there is also a big prolem!!! there is no keyboard!!! it will be very different from the computers beeing used in buisness and that will disavantage them while adding no counterpart
- Perhaps one can rethink screen/keyboard approaches as follows:
- a) having a current style PDA touch sensitive small screen. Many people get by with PDA-s and do some useful things on even smaller cell phone screens ... (I know someone who few yaers ago wrote a serious book on a PDA while waiting for airplanes etc. He used an external keyboard.)
- b) having a laser (or LED?) large format projected virtual screen/keyboard. This could provide the standard localized keyboard layout
- Perhaps a PDA variant could be co-developed by one or more vedors with capability to snap into a "secondary skin" which is similar to currently envisioned OLPC case, crank et al. This would be an "expansion box" and power source - with added memory, its own battery etc. capable of charging the PDA, ports, etc.
- Maybe software problems noted above could be prevented by a dual processor chip - with on-board non-x86 and x86 processor. The former used in PDA mode and the later in "inserted mode" - and power management to assure only the required procesor is active (and draws current).
- L Pfeffer April 6,2006
Make it for us, too
Be prepared: the whole first world will want to buy the 100$ pc. Commercialise a first world 120$ pc, the same as the 100$, for us. The 20$ will be for south world schools.
--87.4.183.151 06:16, 17 March 2006 (EST) Francesco R.
Exactly my opinion! I would buy one immedialely, just out of curiosity, for playing around with it and maybe to develop software for that platform
--Dzubi 06:45, 5 April 2006 (EDT)