Contributors program/April 3, 2009

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<CanoeBerry_> Meeting starts here in 5min!! <CanoeBerry_> 6 Projects/Libraries we'll Review: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-April/023964.html

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<eightdot> . <CanoeBerry_> Hi eightdot :) <CanoeBerry_> How's G20 Europe? <CanoeBerry_> Let's get started here in a couple minutes... <CanoeBerry_> I will now paste in the 6 project titles we will review: <CanoeBerry_> Austin Laptop Lending Library [Texas, USA] <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36970 <CanoeBerry_> #2 OLPC UK / Regional XO Laptop Library Proposal <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37030 <CanoeBerry_> #3 Tux Paint, wireless, sugarize.so, dogfooding... [AUSTRALIA] <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37145 <CanoeBerry_> #4 PaintWeb, Romania w MLanghoff [ROMANIA] <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37303 <CanoeBerry_> #5 Malaysian Primary School Text Book Reader <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37326 <CanoeBerry_> #6 Open Learning Initiative with University of Kwazulu-Natal, Durban, South Africa <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37347 <CanoeBerry_> Who else is here? More hands plz!

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<lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: *raises* <lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: I just finished my proposal *whew*. <CanoeBerry_> Hiya lfaraone <CanoeBerry_> Thanks! A bit late, but let's give this #7 an initial review :) <CanoeBerry_> #7 OLPC Learning Club DC: Lending library proposal (DRAFT) <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37415 <lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: may dissapear suddenly, soon to be in class and with unstable wifi :) <CanoeBerry_> NP lfaraone: can you help us review these 2 other libraries quick now? <mtd> CanoeBerry_: hi, I'm here. <CanoeBerry_> #1 Austin and #2 UK <CanoeBerry_> mtd: welcome! <CanoeBerry_> Let's start now..................... <lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: possibly.

[ PROJECT #1 : AUSTIN LAPTOP LENDING LIBRARY ]

<CanoeBerry_> Who can provide reactions on #1 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Austin/Library <CanoeBerry_> Application is for 40 laptops.

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<CanoeBerry_> Applicant show several innovative idea, to reach out by mail and by marking the laptops so they are colorfully associated with the library etc. <CanoeBerry_> Keeping the laptops in circulation is an important idea/challenge here.

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<CanoeBerry_> Plz provide some reaction, so we have a quorum for approval and/or how many we should ship to Austin, TX to start what looks to be a new-kind of LLLLL (lovely local laptop-lending library!) <Caryl_1> Having problems logging on. Had wrong link <CanoeBerry_> Again applicant requests 40. <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36970 <CanoeBerry_> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Austin/Library <Caryl_1> Re:TX 40 is too many . Start with 10 or 15 <CanoeBerry_> With Australia I proviced 25 of the 50 questinos, so I agree we should consider a lower number, perhaps 20. <CanoeBerry_> Applicant has many educational connections in his favor. <CanoeBerry_> More comments plz! <CanoeBerry_> Applicant is working with a quite active community in techie Austin, TX, which should help circulation growth/experimentation. <Caryl_1> Until a working library is happening with all the kinks worked out, 40 would be too great a risk <CanoeBerry_> Shall i ship 20 refurbished "No Trouble Found" machines? Plz concur/oppose. More voices needed! <Caryl_1> We will be starting in SoCal with 12 + any I can repair <Caryl_1> 20 +1 <CanoeBerry_> NTF machines are very suitable for libraries in that they may get hit pretty hard. <CanoeBerry_> Unfortunately not all NTF (No Trouble Found) machines in fact work, so I could ship a few extras, whatever number we settle ony. <CanoeBerry_> mtd: opinion? <Caryl_1> Who else is on the line? Why so quiet? <CanoeBerry_> lfaraone: opinion? <CanoeBerry_> eightdot: opinion? <Caryl_1> 20 is plenty <mtd> CanoeBerry_: 20 is indeed a good number, if they're new <Caryl_1> Maybe that will encourage a repair center if some don't work right away <Caryl_1> Maybe include some stuff for repairs? <mtd> CanoeBerry_: if they're refurb'd, what's the expected repair rate? if it's less than 1/5, then 40 isn't so much. <CanoeBerry_> mtd: shall we consider 25 reburfished? <CanoeBerry_> I would normally expect 80-90% of these to work fine. <CanoeBerry_> *refurbished <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: 25 NTF's seem reasonable? <Caryl_1> Sounds like a good compromise. But why wouldn't all refurbished ones be expected to work? <CanoeBerry_> They just don't. <CanoeBerry_> Refurbished is not reality. <CanoeBerry_> Refurbished just means reflashed in ~7min and many fail if tested for even an hour. <CanoeBerry_> But 80+% should (generally) work... <Caryl_1> OK +1 to 25 refurbished <mtd> CanoeBerry_: 25 seems good, if refurb'd and expectation is a 1/5 repair rate <CanoeBerry_> Perfect. Can we agree that the applicant should get 20 additional (or 25 NTF's) come summertime if he proves his model? <CanoeBerry_> Similar to Australia. Which coincidentally received exactly the same number (25 NTF's!) <CanoeBerry_> OK, let's move on to #2! <Caryl_1> Sounds like a good idea, but require really good documentation of what they are doing, problems, solutions, rate of borrowing, products etc.

[ PROJECT #2 : UK LAPTOP LENDING LIBRARY ]

<CanoeBerry_> #2 OLPC UK / Regional XO Laptop Library Proposal <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37030 <CanoeBerry_> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_UK/Repair_Centre#Laptop_Library_addendum_to_the_proposal <CanoeBerry_> mtd: please introduce your own initiative if you can... <Caryl_1> I couldn't find where they said how many they were requesting <mtd> CanoeBerry_: thanks. We're trying to start an LLLL and Repair Centre. <CanoeBerry_> mtd: please remind us the answer to Caryl's Q. <mtd> This started as a refurb request, so in that section requested 10 D machines and 20 Ms. <CanoeBerry_> How many XO Laptops are you requesting specifically for the Library? (Not repair center right now) <CanoeBerry_> And do you have a co-librarian to drive this forward in/around the UK? <mtd> CanoeBerry_: for LLLL I'd like to get to 8 laptops - 4 pairs - so 4-6 laptops for now. <CanoeBerry_> Are you considering mail shipments, and ho? Etc :) <mtd> CanoeBerry_: we have 2 colibrarians. <CanoeBerry_> 2 total? or 3 total? <mtd> CanoeBerry_: 3 total <CanoeBerry_> Great, then 8 laptops seems very reasonable. <mtd> CanoeBerry_: their names are in the contrib proposal section. <mtd> (I am one of them) <Caryl_1> Again, if it goes well, we could add more in 6 mos or so? <CanoeBerry_> Congrats on your meeting next week. What library lending/renewal/returns/recirculation mechanics do you feel are most likely to pan out? <mtd> Caryl_1: sorry, I missed that. Yes, definitely. <CanoeBerry_> I am in favor of starting with 8. <mtd> CanoeBerry_: in terms of mechanics, the UK is small enough and the postal system good enough (still get two deliveries a day) that laptops can move safely in around 2-3 days. <Caryl_1> who will pay the postage? <CanoeBerry_> Applicant has shown lots of legit planning, community-organizing enthusiasm & documenting his work online/wiki for ease-of-access. <mtd> CanoeBerry_: I will, failing OLPC UK sponsorship (which I can't promise, but think we could get consensus on) <mtd> CanoeBerry_: at a proposed rate of circulation of 1-3 months per pair of laptops...

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<mtd> CanoeBerry_: ...it should not be prohibitive. <CanoeBerry_> Motion: to ship 10 NTF's (assuming 8 will actually work?) <CanoeBerry_> Please offer your opinions on #2 here so we can move on! <Caryl_1> +1 <CanoeBerry_> Yamaplos: opinions on UK Library? <Yamaplos> I like it <CanoeBerry_> They request 8 XO's and seem very well organized: <CanoeBerry_> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_UK/Repair_Centre#Laptop_Library_addendum_to_the_proposal <Yamaplos> better than most :-) <CanoeBerry_> Final voices please? <Yamaplos> uh, thisthing transforms a smiley into words.... <CanoeBerry_> Motion approved to ship 10 NTF (No Trouble Found) to UK Laptop Library -- thx mtd for working with us here.

[ PROJECT #3 : TUX PAINT, WIRELESS, SUGARIZE.SO; AUSTRALIA ]

<CanoeBerry_> #3 Tux Paint, wireless, sugarize.so, dogfooding... [AUSTRALIA] <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37145 <mtd> CanoeBerry_: thanks <mtd> thanks all <CanoeBerry_> mtd: plz stick around for a few min to help, can you? <Caryl_1> stick around and help with the rest? <Yamaplos> soory got in late, was Austin matter dealt with? <CanoeBerry_> #3 Applicant requests an MP (mass-produced) machine upgrading from his B4 prototype. <CanoeBerry_> We should approve this by default. <mtd> CanoeBerry_: of course <CanoeBerry_> For #1, Applicant (who was it again ;) approved for 25 NTF's. <Caryl_1> I suggest giving him two so he can try the mesh with the things he is working on <Yamaplos> is there a policy to transfer the B4 to some pool? <CanoeBerry_> With 20 new XO's (or 25 NTF's) to follow sometime summertime if followup looks great! <CanoeBerry_> Back to #3 yes. <Caryl_1> #3 2?

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<CanoeBerry_> We should ask Australian applicant what he wants to do with his B4. Pia's library might want it if the applicant no longer wants it.

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<CanoeBerry_> Let's approve #3 by default (standard policy) and move on to #4... <Caryl_1> Wait!

[ PROJECT #4 : PAINTWEB, ROMANIA ]

<CanoeBerry_> #4 PaintWeb, Romania <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37303 <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: ? <Caryl_1> I think we need to consider making a polocy of sendin at least 2

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<Caryl_1> Tolks need to try the msh <yamaplo1> Sorry, changed client IRC <Caryl_1> I can't type fast as you scn see <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: sending at least 2 in what conditions? Libraries or are you proposing a brand new CP policy? <CanoeBerry_> Brand new policy discussions should follow later. <Caryl_1> No...for indivuduals working on development of software, hardware, lessons etc <mtd> Caryl_1: +1 to doing it pairwise <yamaplo1> I like it that he has lined up a a mentor already. <Caryl_1> pairwise is good <CanoeBerry_> Please justify this (quite significant) policy change after we get thru today's proposals.

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<CanoeBerry_> We talked about this before (individuals are encouraged to connect to communities etc, but should not be penalized if they truly cannot..) <Caryl_1> Meanwhile, can we do 2 fpr the Tuxpaint guy? <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: we can't change policies with no warning and ship more than he asked for! <Caryl_1> could we suggst he revise his request to 2? <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: if you want to propose a new policy, and have others carefully consider it, and it is approved, then please also help rewrite CP web pages. <pgf> can we ask him if he'd like another?

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<CanoeBerry_> We can ask him anything, but let's offer specific rational. <Caryl_1> It would be a really small change. <yamaplo1> Romania at some moment had a bit of interest in OLPC ... Remember having read about it a while ago <CanoeBerry_> It's a huge change in policy. <Caryl_1> I also thought this project ought to have 2 so they could do mesh This will encourage the development of things that will utilize it. With one machine that is impossible. <CanoeBerry_> If there's a specific need in this case, it needs to be rationalized. <yamaplo1> that IS a good point, but I agree we do need to redefine policy <yamaplo1> to the point that catual community building IS a main point <yamaplo1> ... actual <yamaplo1> should we go through that process (policy + ask the requestor) this week? <yamaplo1> and go to te next case now <yamaplo1> ? <CanoeBerry_> Yes. We had this argument before. The language we ended up with is: "Teams of more than 1 person are not required, but favored!" <CanoeBerry_> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program/Project_proposal_form <CanoeBerry_> Let's argue later. <CanoeBerry_> #3 and #4 should be approved but need mentors. <CanoeBerry_> Do ask followup questions, and rationalize any needs for more than 1 laptop. <Caryl_1> There's nobody here but us chickens? <lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: sorry, i was taking a test. <CanoeBerry_> Anybody volunteer to take #3 or #4? <Caryl_1> OK. If no one else wants then...I'll take them and suggest they up their requests to 2 <pgf> from my point of vew, currently working as a developer @home, having more than one laptop is a huge win.

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<CanoeBerry_> Thanks Caryl_1: please provide documented explanation for how they need and will actually use 2.

[ PROJECT #5 : MALAYSIAN PRIMARY SCHOOL TECT BOOK READER ]

<CanoeBerry_> #5: Malaysian Primary School Text Book Reader <pgf> especially if you're doing your development on the laptop itself -- you can keep one machine relatively stable while you experiment on the other. <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37326 <Caryl_1> will do  :-) <CanoeBerry_> Requested 1 XO Laptop for 6 months. <yamaplo1> looks like a demo-to-others project <yamaplo1> not that is bad per se, but, is it connected to dev? <Caryl_1> In this case, mesh is not a factor so one would be ok. It is not a "development" project, it is a sales pitch <yamaplo1> I say let's make sure this guy is connected to other Malasia projects <CanoeBerry_> For the record the (public, long) objectives are: <CanoeBerry_> Malaysian primay schools students had to carry more than 5 text books as <CanoeBerry_> well associated exercise books and water botles to school. Our students are <CanoeBerry_> small in size and these text books are large for their size. These students <CanoeBerry_> will find it a burden to carry all these school items. Many parents have <CanoeBerry_> complained to the Education Ministry in order to find efforts to improve the <CanoeBerry_> school time table in order to reduce the number of books to be taken to <CanoeBerry_> school every day but the same problem remains. <CanoeBerry_> ... <CanoeBerry_> The main objective is therefore to use the OLPC as a primary source of all <CanoeBerry_> the textbooks. Its light weight, large and readable screen and ruggedness <CanoeBerry_> will make it suitable for Malaysian primary school students to use instead <CanoeBerry_> of the heavy text books. It will be used as a demonstration model to show to <CanoeBerry_> the Malaysian Ministry of Education to convince them to replace all text <CanoeBerry_> books to the OLPC. <yamaplo1> there was a lot of action recently re: Malasian Bahasa (language) in localization list <yamaplo1> yep, it's a demoing project <yamaplo1> current policy is to not support that, init? <CanoeBerry_> Let's ask mythrage in Malaysia to refine this proposal, OK? <yamaplo1> but it has possibilities if connected with actual dev, be it content or localization, right? <yamaplo1> +1 <CanoeBerry_> (To act as a mentor, to refine this towards approval?) <yamaplo1> I will, thoughI shouldn't <CanoeBerry_> yamaplo1: do you want to mentor this one? <yamaplo1> yes <CanoeBerry_> Great! <CanoeBerry_> mythrage (adminCC'd) will help you if you need Malaysian know-how. <CanoeBerry_> Moving on to #6...

[ PROJECT #6 : OPEN LEARNING / WIRELESS / UNIVERSITY, SOUTH AFRICA ]

<CanoeBerry_> #6 Open Learning Initiative with University of Kwazulu-Natal, Durban, South Africa <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37347 <CanoeBerry_> Requests 2 XO Laptops for 12 months.

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<CanoeBerry_> Project Objectives: <CanoeBerry_> This is part of a <CanoeBerry_> larger project aimed at bringing ubiquitous WiFi access and Open Learning to <CanoeBerry_> the people of eThekwini, South Africa. We are trying to set up a <CanoeBerry_> metro-scale WiFi network for the municipality for AMR purposes. We will <CanoeBerry_> leverage this network to allow for low cost access for lower/middle income <CanoeBerry_> groups. This will include the development of a host of <CanoeBerry_> services some of which are based on primary, secondary and tertiary <CanoeBerry_> education. This includes course contect and delivery, video streaming, live <CanoeBerry_> tutors (conferencing) etc. over WiFi The project requires hardware. We <CanoeBerry_> are hoping to develop a local low-cost netbook and also test OLPC on the <CanoeBerry_> network. <Caryl_1> I read this one earlier. I do not see a specific need for XOs in this one. Any latop would work for what they want to do <Caryl_1> There is another #37404 who wabts to do something similar. I suggested he apply to the contrib program <Caryl_1> Is theie wi-fi going to be any different than normal? #37404 is <lfaraone> Caryl_1: not afaic. <lfaraone> t <yamaplo1> looks also a bit flaky re: resources <yamaplo1> They are also looking for funding <Caryl_1> Ha! <CanoeBerry_> They are ambitious but secretive about their 2010 plans.. <CanoeBerry_> For good reason possibly, but it makes it harder to judge. <lfaraone> Looks like they are in the wrong nonprofit :) <yamaplo1> they need to connect with something <yamaplo1> +1 <Caryl_1> yes, I noticed that. Secretive is not good <yamaplo1> let's send them the way of other ZA initiatives, <yamaplo1> especially OLPCorps <Caryl_1> ZA? <yamaplo1> South Africa <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: can you possibly send then a quick note summarizing the above? Saying their proposal needs to be revised/reconsidered?

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<yamaplo1> CanoeBerry_: thanks! real busyright now :-) <Caryl_1> Rats! I already took 2. But if no one else did, I'll be the bearer of bad tidings <CanoeBerry_> Anybody can help here. Wireless initiatives in Africa are critical. <CanoeBerry_> Let's move onto #7 now.

[ PROJECT #7 : WASHINGTON DC LAPTOP LENDING LIBRARY ]

<CanoeBerry_> #7 OLPC Learning Club DC: Lending library proposal (DRAFT) <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37415 <yamaplo1> OT BTW, good advance with the wifi guy in Canada I took a couple weeks back <CanoeBerry_> lfaraone (in channel here) requests 40 XO Laptops <yamaplo1> Beyond following procedure, I would pretty much support anything the DC Club comes with <yamaplo1> probably the most trusty bunch of people within the community <CanoeBerry_> The location is what? <yamaplo1> with proven track record, etc <lfaraone> yamaplo1: Thanks Yama. <CanoeBerry_> 2 or 3 specific librarians needed. <lfaraone> Ok, I listed a few names ib there. <CanoeBerry_> Can I mention ACC? <lfaraone> Sure. <CanoeBerry_> Will this be the physical base? <lfaraone> Most likely <CanoeBerry_> Arlington Career Center is great. <CanoeBerry_> Will people have access more than once per month? <Caryl_1> How many machines do they already have in their library? <lfaraone> Yes, every week at least, We have people there each day who can do the vending. <CanoeBerry_> ** http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Learning_Club_D.C./Lending_library <lfaraone> Caryl_1: About 5. <lfaraone> School is out, brb (switching to cellular) <CanoeBerry_> lfaraone: i will mentor this. <Caryl_1> Have they been lending those out? <CanoeBerry_> if that's ok with you -- should we consider 25 NTF's similar to Australia & Austin? <Caryl_1> Sounds reasonable. <CanoeBerry_> With 20 new XO's or 25 NTF's to follow sometime summertime if progress if good? <CanoeBerry_> (Additional units..) <Caryl_1> Right! <CanoeBerry_> *if progress is good <Caryl_1> +1 <yamaplo1> +1 <CanoeBerry_> mtd: still there for some peer review? <CanoeBerry_> Any dissenting opinions? <mtd> CanoeBerry_: +1 <CanoeBerry_> OK, Motion Passes -- we now have 3 NEW LIBRARIES APPROVED <CanoeBerry_> Thanks all for wrapping this up. <yamaplo1> !!!!  :-)

[ HOW CAN LIBRARIES WORLDWIDE SUPPORT *EACH OTHER* ? ]

<CanoeBerry_> Agenda Wrapup NOw.. <CanoeBerry_> How can we all support our respective libraries? <CanoeBerry_> Starting here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries <Caryl_1> What are the ticket #s of the 3 I am working on? <CanoeBerry_> But more important, keeping this conversation going offline/elsewhere. <yamaplo1> certainly <lfaraone> Caryl_1: yes, mike is currently lending those out at home. <mtd> thanks all <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: Start with 37145 (Tux Paint, Australia) & 37303 (PaintWeb, Romania) <lfaraone> *his home <Caryl_1> we are working with CUELA to set up the library here in SoCal until we get OSSIE-CUE or something like it going. We need all the help as possible to make it painless for the librarians <yamaplo1> I have the Malaysia, 37326 <CanoeBerry_> Caryl_1: if you can help with our 2 African wifi/ISP initiatives even better: <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37347 <CanoeBerry_> http://rt.laptop.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=37404 <lfaraone> Caryl_1: we'll be happy to share our experiences with you. <yamaplo1> Sorry for insisting, but since I was late, did Austin Library pass? O:-) <CanoeBerry_> yamaplo1: yes, with 25 NTF's <yamaplo1> ! great! <Caryl_1> lfaraone: That would be great <CanoeBerry_> And 20 new units (or 25 NTF's) to follow sometime summertime if Texas guns are blazin ;) <yamaplo1> of course we'll be linking with UK and DC and AU, etc. <CanoeBerry_> Awesome. <yamaplo1> wonderful <lfaraone> CanoeBerry_: thanks adam! <CanoeBerry_> If you guys can help organically grow: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects#XO_Laptop_Lending_Libraries <CanoeBerry_> That would be best -- we can then give it its own page as our Inter-Library family matures?!

[ POLICY QUESTION : SHOULD ALL APPLICANTS CONSIDER 2 LAPTOPS? ]

<CanoeBerry_> Let's Finish Now -- OK? Meeting's gone on 75min! <CanoeBerry_> Final Questions?? <Caryl_1> when should we discuss "pairing" for development projects <CanoeBerry_> Proposal? <CanoeBerry_> Spell it out please. <Caryl_1> ???where? <lfaraone> Caryl_1: Huh? <CanoeBerry_> Here, email, wherever. <CanoeBerry_> The old argument about lone cowboys is important. <lfaraone> what do you mean by that, he said. <Caryl_1> sg? holt/sj?  ??? <yamaplo1> uh, it should be in the Contributors page, as a policy - or a s a policy draft, I guess <CanoeBerry_> But we should not overly punish solitary individuals who just request 1 laptop doing great work out in their desert. <yamaplo1> I support both sides :-) <CanoeBerry_> For now the language remains: <Caryl_1> I suggested all development proposals be for 2 machines to encourage encorporating the mesh in their projects <CanoeBerry_> Teams of more than 1 person are not required, but favored! <Caryl_1> they can run 2 XOs side by side and test mesh <Caryl_1> in the desert <yamaplo1> and build community.... <CanoeBerry_> If they choose. <CanoeBerry_> We need to encourage community / meshing, but we cannot force it. <Caryl_1> yep Invite a friend to come work with them! <lfaraone> however some projects legitimately don't need that. <yamaplo1> indio comido, indio ido (the indian ate, the indian left, a very non-PC expression in Bolivia) <yamaplo1> gotta go back to my day job <yamaplo1> thanks all! <CanoeBerry_> Bye yamaplo1

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<Caryl_1> bye <CanoeBerry_> Caryl: please propose language for the FAQ that makes clear which kind of people who consider applying for 2. <CanoeBerry_> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors_program#FAQ <pgf> perhaps the page could just remind developers/contributors that it's okay to ask for two -- the worst that will happen is they'll be turned down. <CanoeBerry_> Email that to me and post to the talk page etc. <Caryl_1> OK Will do! <CanoeBerry_> ** Thanks pgf & all -- that's the wrap & see you next week 2PM EDT Friday **