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== Greetings ==
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<hhardy> dogi: hello
<hhardy> dogi: hello
<dogi> hi hhardy
<dogi> hi hhardy
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<hhardy> adric: hail
<hhardy> adric: hail
<adric> hi all. Rain and traffic
<adric> hi all. Rain and traffic
<hhardy> hi I'm back in town but haven't read rt or email yet I'm still
<hhardy> hi I'm back in town but haven't read rt or email yet I'm still
officially on
officially onvacation till tomorrow
vacation till tomorrow
<hhardy> yeah I drove from near Albany today to Boston and it was pouring
<hhardy> yeah I drove from near Albany today to Boston and it was pouring
until the last
until the lasthour

hour
== rt ==
<hhardy> how's rt?
<hhardy> how's rt?
<dogi> hhardy: i send u an invitation mail for my B-Day ...
<dogi> hhardy: i send u an invitation mail for my B-Day ...
<hhardy> I was thinking we could do some of the categorizing and rtfm stuff
<hhardy> I was thinking we could do some of the categorizing and rtfm stuff
like
likesupport0gang has
support0gang has
<adric> hhardy: Seems to still be up :) I'm still getting up to speed, and
<adric> hhardy: Seems to still be up :) I'm still getting up to speed, and
getting my
getting mychops back
chops back
<hhardy> adam holt can tell you about some of that stuff or ffm, culseg,
<hhardy> adam holt can tell you about some of that stuff or ffm, culseg,
others
others
<adric> Ah, right. Yeah, and 3.8 has a ll kinds of orgaizaing tricks
<adric> Ah, right. Yeah, and 3.8 has a ll kinds of orgaizaing tricks
<hhardy> it would be nice to track things over time such as tickets epened,
<hhardy> it would be nice to track things over time such as tickets epened,
tickets currently open, tickets closed, and composition of the type of ticket w/in a queue
tickets
<lfaraone|ffm> oh, hello people.
currently open, tickets closed, and composition of the type of ticket w/in a queue
<lfaraone|ffm> oh, hello people.
<hhardy> Kim and I would like a "bird's eye view" some meaningful metrics as
<hhardy> Kim and I would like a "bird's eye view" some meaningful metrics as
far as the
far as the sysadmin queue
* lfaraone|ffm thanks hhardy for reminding him.
sysadmin queue
* lfaraone|ffm thanks hhardy for reminding him.
<adric> Oh, yes. We've tried to use a custom field for that in help@ with
<adric> Oh, yes. We've tried to use a custom field for that in help@ with
some succes
some succes
<adric> Right
<adric> Right
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I was wondering how _I_ can get involved with the VIG.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I was wondering how _I_ can get involved with the VIG.
<hhardy> well since you are hear first say what you know and can do and who
<hhardy> well since you are hear first say what you know and can do and who
you are
you are (optionally)
(optionally)
<hhardy> *here
<hhardy> *here
<hhardy> there is a lsit of things we would like to have done on the wiki page
<hhardy> there is a lsit of things we would like to have done on the wiki page
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<hhardy> there is a mailing list which is kind of light right now
<hhardy> there is a mailing list which is kind of light right now
<hhardy> and this channel
<hhardy> and this channel

<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: Well, I'm a wikipedia admin, as well as one on w.l.o, who
== Introductions ==
has
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: Well, I'm a wikipedia admin, as well as one on w.l.o, who
some experience with bots.
has some experience with bots.
<lfaraone|ffm> I'm also pretty good with server adminining, running 3 at home
<lfaraone|ffm> I'm also pretty good with server adminining, running 3 at home
and 2 at
my school.
and 2 at my school.
<hhardy> isforinsects is organizing a wiki gang
<hhardy> isforinsects is organizing a wiki gang
<hhardy> our involvement in wiki would be maintaining the backend, web server,
<hhardy> our involvement in wiki would be maintaining the backend, web server,
database,
database, backups, upgrades

backups, upgrades
== wiki.laptop.org defacement and deletion issues ==
<adric> we definitely need help with automated wiki defense. Got hit at least
<adric> we definitely need help with automated wiki defense. Got hit at least
twice this
twice this weekend
weekend
<hhardy> performance metrics
<hhardy> performance metrics
<isforinsects> Whoops, I slipped the meeting, hi all
<isforinsects> Whoops, I slipped the meeting, hi all
<hhardy> yep need defense bots in action
<hhardy> yep need defense bots in action
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I can do upgrades, some backend management, mailing list
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I can do upgrades, some backend management, mailing list
admin,
admin, trac, git matinence, and wiki extentions.
trac, git matinence, and wiki extentions.
<dogi> hi isforinsects
<dogi> hi isforinsects
<hhardy> ffm you have any ideas about wiki bots for defending?
<hhardy> ffm you have any ideas about wiki bots for defending?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: yes, cluebot.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: yes, cluebot.
<hhardy> isfor any news on that one bandito
<hhardy> isfor any news on that one bandito
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: however it requires some extra summaries.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: however it requires some extra summaries.
<hhardy> the one who was obcessed w/ final fantasy?
<hhardy> the one who was obcessed w/ final fantasy?
<isforinsects> lfaraone|ffm, we badly need someone to run a cluebot.
<isforinsects> lfaraone|ffm, we badly need someone to run a cluebot.
<isforinsects> Well, possibly not a cluebot.
<isforinsects> Well, possibly not a cluebot.
<hhardy> grunch, glorp named somethng like that?
<hhardy> grunch, glorp named somethng like that?
<isforinsects> gwarp
<isforinsects> gwarp
<hhardy> yeah
<hhardy> yeah
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: grawp.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: grawp.
<isforinsects> and he's a Harry Potter fan :P
<isforinsects> and he's a Harry Potter fan :P
<hhardy> according to wikipedia he has dozens of aliases and reflectors
<hhardy> according to wikipedia he has dozens of aliases and reflectors
<adric> The skidiot?
<adric> The skidiot?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: mhm.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: mhm.
<isforinsects> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<isforinsects> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: IMHO, cluebot would work nicely assuming we can get the
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: IMHO, cluebot would work nicely assuming we can get the heuristics written well.
heuristics written well.
<adric> Oh, it's on ED, eh. Must be true.
<adric> Oh, it's on ED, eh. Must be true.
<isforinsects> The issue with cluebot is non-english strings
<isforinsects> The issue with cluebot is non-english strings
<hhardy> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<hhardy> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: oh, php can't handle it?
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: oh, php can't handle it?
<hhardy> oops that paste was meant for browser :)
<hhardy> oops that paste was meant for browser :)
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: how about
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: how about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VoABot_II or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VoABot_II or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinBot4647 ?
<isforinsects> You tell me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinBot4647 ?
<lfaraone|ffm> (two other bots, we can prolly get the source)
<isforinsects> You tell me.
<isforinsects> If you want to take on the project, coordinate with cjl and
<lfaraone|ffm> (two other bots, we can prolly get the source)
<isforinsects> If you want to take on the project, coordinate with cjl and
myself.
myself.
<isforinsects> and give us a breakdown
<isforinsects> and give us a breakdown
<isforinsects> cjl has also done research on this.
<isforinsects> cjl has also done research on this.
<isforinsects> dogi almost got what bot running the other day?
<isforinsects> dogi almost got what bot running the other day?
<isforinsects> He was working on it at 1cc with SJ
<isforinsects> He was working on it at 1cc with SJ
<dogi> cluebot
<dogi> cluebot
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: kk.
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: kk.
<hhardy> isforinsects: how are things at 1cc?
<hhardy> isforinsects: how are things at 1cc?

== ACTION ITEMS ==
<hhardy> ok it seems we had some ACTION ITEMS: there
<hhardy> ok it seems we had some ACTION ITEMS: there
<hhardy> let's pull those out so we can grep for them
<hhardy> let's pull those out so we can grep for them
<hhardy> who will do bots for wiki anti-vandal patrol?
<hhardy> who will do bots for wiki anti-vandal patrol?
<adric> hhardy: Was there an agenda to-night? I was late getting on
<adric> hhardy: Was there an agenda to-night? I was late getting on
<isforinsects> ACTION ITEM: ffm: let's coordinate between is4, cjl, dogi and you
<isforinsects> ACTION ITEM: ffm: let's coordinate between is4, cjl, dogi and you
on the
on the VIG list?
VIG list?
<hhardy> no agenda I just got back in town
<hhardy> no agenda I just got back in town
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: sure
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: sure
<hhardy> I probably have > 10,000 emails to sort through tomorrow
<hhardy> I probably have > 10,000 emails to sort through tomorrow
<dogi> is4: ok
<dogi> is4: ok
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: lol, prolly
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: lol, prolly
<adric> hhardy: Vacations are risky due to what you have to come back to :D
<adric> hhardy: Vacations are risky due to what you have to come back to :D
<hhardy> 10046 actually and counting
<hhardy> 10046 actually and counting
<hhardy> has anyone heard from noah recently about trac?
<hhardy> has anyone heard from noah recently about trac?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: hrn?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: hrn?
<hhardy> (hrn?)?
<hhardy> (hrn?)?

== No news on content server ==
<hhardy> any news on content server?
<hhardy> any news on content server?
<hhardy> reasonably fast transcoding whould be part of that + big pipe
<hhardy> reasonably fast transcoding whould be part of that + big pipe

<hhardy> has the spam situation on rt:help improved sincw e got the barracuda
== rt spam ==
implemented better?
<hhardy> has the spam situation on rt:help improved sincw e got the barracuda implemented better?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: somewhat... not really.
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: somewhat... not really.
<adric> hmm .. maybe? Do we have metric no that?
<adric> hmm .. maybe? Do we have metric no that?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: when exactly was that impelmented?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: when exactly was that impelmented?
<hhardy> cjl has been getting good stats
<hhardy> cjl has been getting good stats
<hhardy> before I left so 2 weeks ago
<hhardy> before I left so 2 weeks ago
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<hhardy> I know Barracuda goes down when it updates its databases
<hhardy> I know Barracuda goes down when it updates its databases
<hhardy> anyway I think it is required by RFC's
<hhardy> anyway I think it is required by RFC's

== Recruitment ==
<adric> My only immediate concerns re: RT are where's holt? :) and Can I have
<adric> My only immediate concerns re: RT are where's holt? :) and Can I have
minions
minions plskthx?
plskthx?
<hhardy> sure find some good minions lol
<hhardy> sure find some good minions lol
<hhardy> I don't have them in my back pocket
<hhardy> I don't have them in my back pocket
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<adric> Other than that I've got plenty of work to do, all laid out :)
<adric> Other than that I've got plenty of work to do, all laid out :)
<hhardy> the people who made rt are friends and are local I suspect they will
<hhardy> the people who made rt are friends and are local I suspect they will
answer
answer quesitons also theres the rt chan at irc.perl.org
quesitons also theres the rt chan at irc.perl.org
<adric> Yes :) I'm trying to triage our rt met tickets to find out what we
<adric> Yes :) I'm trying to triage our rt met tickets to find out what we
need to ask
need to ask BP about.
BP about.
<hhardy> irc.perl.org:#rt
<hhardy> irc.perl.org:#rt
<adric> oh yes, I've been a bother there :)
<adric> oh yes, I've been a bother there :)

== database hot backups ==
<hhardy> gregdek: or whomever--a need we have is to identify all our critical
<hhardy> gregdek: or whomever--a need we have is to identify all our critical
databases
databases and make scripts to back them up regularly and to verify the backups
and make scripts to back them up regularly and to verify the backups
<hhardy> adric: good
<hhardy> adric: good
<gregdek> What kind of dbs? mysql?
<gregdek> What kind of dbs? mysql?
<adric> And the rt-users list is noisy, but quite helpful
<adric> And the rt-users list is noisy, but quite helpful
<hhardy> mysql and postgres
<hhardy> mysql and postgres
* gregdek nods.
* gregdek nods.
<hhardy> I've got lot of TB free on grinch so there is root and we can rsync
<hhardy> I've got lot of TB free on grinch so there is root and we can rsync
stuff over
stuff over to there in an automated way
to there in an automated way
<hhardy> we can use my simple scripts to move stuff to grinch we just need a
<hhardy> we can use my simple scripts to move stuff to grinch we just need a
nice hot
nice hot backup for all the db
backup for all the db
<hhardy> *room not root above lol
<hhardy> *room not root above lol
<hhardy> freudian slip?
<hhardy> freudian slip?
<adric> Sure, sounds lovely. Jsut need to find hot copy for the DBs
<adric> Sure, sounds lovely. Jsut need to find hot copy for the DBs
<hhardy> if people are looking for a one-off project thats a good high
<hhardy> if people are looking for a one-off project thats a good high
priority one
priority one which would be low hanging fruit if accomplished
which would be low hanging fruit if accomplished
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: find someone to coordinate making the inventory of
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: find someone to coordinate making the inventory of
databases and
databases and making and testing the hot backup proceudres
making and testing the hot backup proceudres
<hhardy> any other low hanging fruit type things come to mind?
<hhardy> any other low hanging fruit type things come to mind?

== rt needs ==
<adric> Legwork in RT, but I'm not sure j random helper could help much.
<adric> Legwork in RT, but I'm not sure j random helper could help much.
<hhardy> isforinsects: ping
<hhardy> isforinsects: ping
<hhardy> I kind of want people doing things they know very well how to do
<hhardy> I kind of want people doing things they know very well how to do
<isforinsects> pong hhardy
<isforinsects> pong hhardy
<hhardy> at least enough to not make a mess
<hhardy> at least enough to not make a mess
* isforinsects reads back
* isforinsects reads back
<adric> Oh I agree. This is something I wasn't able to keep up with before
<adric> Oh I agree. This is something I wasn't able to keep up with before
VIG happened,
VIG happened, lol
lol
<hhardy> do you want to tidy up the logs, I will give your user on thinker
<hhardy> do you want to tidy up the logs, I will give your user on thinker
access to my
access to my irclogs
irclogs
<adric> Yeah. We need a plan to organzize the tickets for everyone, but
<adric> Yeah. We need a plan to organzize the tickets for everyone, but
there's always going to leg work sifting the uncategorized, or worse, recategorizing if make a major organizational change
there's always
going to leg work sifting the uncategorized, or worse, recategorizing if make a major
organizational change
<hhardy> as far as meeting log
<hhardy> as far as meeting log
<isforinsects> are we adjourning now?
<isforinsects> are we adjourning now?
<hhardy> shortly
<hhardy> shortly
<isforinsects> when you say adjourn I'll stopp logging and post
<isforinsects> when you say adjourn I'll stopp logging and post
<isforinsects> So, yes
<isforinsects> So, yes
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: need a vlounteer to help triage
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: need a vlounteer to help triage
<hhardy> did you have a bot on the 1st 15 min?
<hhardy> did you have a bot on the 1st 15 min?
<adric> .... which ward?
<adric> .... which ward?
<isforinsects> Yes, I have the entire meeting.
<isforinsects> Yes, I have the entire meeting.
<hhardy> I am tired still I was sardined into a compact car
<adric> Yikes
<hhardy> ok good for now, see you next week or on the list or here whenever
<hhardy> yes yikes indeed
<adric> Thanks, hhardy , bye all!* dogi
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<hhardy> dogi: hello
<dogi> hi hhardy
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<hhardy> adric: hail
<adric> hi all. Rain and traffic
<hhardy> hi I'm back in town but haven't read rt or email yet I'm still
officially on
vacation till tomorrow
<hhardy> yeah I drove from near Albany today to Boston and it was pouring
until the last
hour
<hhardy> how's rt?
<dogi> hhardy: i send u an invitation mail for my B-Day ...
<hhardy> I was thinking we could do some of the categorizing and rtfm stuff
like
support0gang has
<adric> hhardy: Seems to still be up :) I'm still getting up to speed, and
getting my
chops back
<hhardy> adam holt can tell you about some of that stuff or ffm, culseg,
others
<adric> Ah, right. Yeah, and 3.8 has a ll kinds of orgaizaing tricks
<hhardy> it would be nice to track things over time such as tickets epened,
tickets
currently open, tickets closed, and composition of the type of ticket w/in a queue
<lfaraone|ffm> oh, hello people.
<hhardy> Kim and I would like a "bird's eye view" some meaningful metrics as
far as the
sysadmin queue
* lfaraone|ffm thanks hhardy for reminding him.
<adric> Oh, yes. We've tried to use a custom field for that in help@ with
some succes
<adric> Right
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I was wondering how _I_ can get involved with the VIG.
<hhardy> well since you are hear first say what you know and can do and who
you are
(optionally)
<hhardy> *here
<hhardy> there is a lsit of things we would like to have done on the wiki page
<hhardy> and you can edit the discussion page there
<hhardy> there is a mailing list which is kind of light right now
<hhardy> and this channel
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: Well, I'm a wikipedia admin, as well as one on w.l.o, who
has
some experience with bots.
<lfaraone|ffm> I'm also pretty good with server adminining, running 3 at home
and 2 at
my school.
<hhardy> isforinsects is organizing a wiki gang
<hhardy> our involvement in wiki would be maintaining the backend, web server,
database,
backups, upgrades
<adric> we definitely need help with automated wiki defense. Got hit at least
twice this
weekend
<hhardy> performance metrics
<isforinsects> Whoops, I slipped the meeting, hi all
<hhardy> yep need defense bots in action
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I can do upgrades, some backend management, mailing list
admin,
trac, git matinence, and wiki extentions.
<dogi> hi isforinsects
<hhardy> ffm you have any ideas about wiki bots for defending?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: yes, cluebot.
<hhardy> isfor any news on that one bandito
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: however it requires some extra summaries.
<hhardy> the one who was obcessed w/ final fantasy?
<isforinsects> lfaraone|ffm, we badly need someone to run a cluebot.
<isforinsects> Well, possibly not a cluebot.
<hhardy> grunch, glorp named somethng like that?
<isforinsects> gwarp
<hhardy> yeah
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: grawp.
<isforinsects> and he's a Harry Potter fan :P
<hhardy> according to wikipedia he has dozens of aliases and reflectors
<adric> The skidiot?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: mhm.
<isforinsects> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: IMHO, cluebot would work nicely assuming we can get the
heuristics written well.
<adric> Oh, it's on ED, eh. Must be true.
<isforinsects> The issue with cluebot is non-english strings
<hhardy> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: oh, php can't handle it?
<hhardy> oops that paste was meant for browser :)
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: how about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VoABot_II or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinBot4647 ?
<isforinsects> You tell me.
<lfaraone|ffm> (two other bots, we can prolly get the source)
<isforinsects> If you want to take on the project, coordinate with cjl and
myself.
<isforinsects> and give us a breakdown
<isforinsects> cjl has also done research on this.
<isforinsects> dogi almost got what bot running the other day?
<isforinsects> He was working on it at 1cc with SJ
<dogi> cluebot
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: kk.
<hhardy> isforinsects: how are things at 1cc?
<hhardy> ok it seems we had some ACTION ITEMS: there
<hhardy> let's pull those out so we can grep for them
<hhardy> who will do bots for wiki anti-vandal patrol?
<adric> hhardy: Was there an agenda to-night? I was late getting on
<isforinsects> ACTION ITEM: ffm: let's coordinate between is4, cjl, dogi and you
on the
VIG list?
<hhardy> no agenda I just got back in town
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: sure
<hhardy> I probably have > 10,000 emails to sort through tomorrow
<dogi> is4: ok
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: lol, prolly
<adric> hhardy: Vacations are risky due to what you have to come back to :D
<hhardy> 10046 actually and counting
<hhardy> has anyone heard from noah recently about trac?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: hrn?
<hhardy> (hrn?)?
<hhardy> any news on content server?
<hhardy> reasonably fast transcoding whould be part of that + big pipe
<hhardy> has the spam situation on rt:help improved sincw e got the barracuda
implemented better?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: somewhat... not really.
<adric> hmm .. maybe? Do we have metric no that?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: when exactly was that impelmented?
<hhardy> cjl has been getting good stats
<hhardy> before I left so 2 weeks ago
<hhardy> mail to rt.l.o is now to go through the barracuda as well as that to
l.o
<hhardy> let me check the mx records
<adric> only one mx for either .. diff ips
<hhardy> kids, don't try this at home, nslookup is deprecated, use dig :)
<hhardy> root@thinker:~# nslookup
<hhardy> > set type=mx
<hhardy> > laptop.org
<hhardy> Server: 18.85.2.138
<hhardy> Address: 18.85.2.138#53
<hhardy> laptop.org mail exchanger = 10 pedal.laptop.org.
<hhardy> laptop.org mail exchanger = 5 spam.laptop.org.
<hhardy> > rt.laptop.org
<adric> nslookup, lol
<hhardy> Server: 18.85.2.138
<hhardy> Address: 18.85.2.138#53
<hhardy> rt.laptop.org mail exchanger = 10 spam.laptop.org.
<hhardy> old brain, old synapses lol
<adric> Weird, when I dig I'm only getting one mx for either..
<hhardy> hmmm I expected to see a secondary MX for rt in case of Barracuda is
down
<hhardy> I will ask MB about that
<adric> kk ..
<hhardy> I know Barracuda goes down when it updates its databases
<hhardy> anyway I think it is required by RFC's
<adric> My only immediate concerns re: RT are where's holt? :) and Can I have
minions
plskthx?
<hhardy> sure find some good minions lol
<hhardy> I don't have them in my back pocket
<hhardy> lcukily for them
<adric> Yeah .. help@ really needs help categorized
<hhardy> gregdek might have a source of minions
<gregdek> Hm?
<hhardy> the fedora infrastructure group
<adric> , er raather with (re)categorization
<hhardy> adric was asking for minions to help with rt
<hhardy> I said sure go get some
<adric> I'm revving up on the tickets from holt, bt we need some legwork
<adric> Other than that I've got plenty of work to do, all laid out :)
<hhardy> the people who made rt are friends and are local I suspect they will
answer
quesitons also theres the rt chan at irc.perl.org
<adric> Yes :) I'm trying to triage our rt met tickets to find out what we
need to ask
BP about.
<hhardy> irc.perl.org:#rt
<adric> oh yes, I've been a bother there :)
<hhardy> gregdek: or whomever--a need we have is to identify all our critical
databases
and make scripts to back them up regularly and to verify the backups
<hhardy> adric: good
<gregdek> What kind of dbs? mysql?
<adric> And the rt-users list is noisy, but quite helpful
<hhardy> mysql and postgres
* gregdek nods.
<hhardy> I've got lot of TB free on grinch so there is root and we can rsync
stuff over
to there in an automated way
<hhardy> we can use my simple scripts to move stuff to grinch we just need a
nice hot
backup for all the db
<hhardy> *room not root above lol
<hhardy> freudian slip?
<adric> Sure, sounds lovely. Jsut need to find hot copy for the DBs
<hhardy> if people are looking for a one-off project thats a good high
priority one
which would be low hanging fruit if accomplished
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: find someone to coordinate making the inventory of
databases and
making and testing the hot backup proceudres
<hhardy> any other low hanging fruit type things come to mind?
<adric> Legwork in RT, but I'm not sure j random helper could help much.
<hhardy> isforinsects: ping
<hhardy> I kind of want people doing things they know very well how to do
<isforinsects> pong hhardy
<hhardy> at least enough to not make a mess
* isforinsects reads back
<adric> Oh I agree. This is something I wasn't able to keep up with before
VIG happened,
lol
<hhardy> do you want to tidy up the logs, I will give your user on thinker
access to my
irclogs
<adric> Yeah. We need a plan to organzize the tickets for everyone, but
there's always
going to leg work sifting the uncategorized, or worse, recategorizing if make a major
organizational change
<hhardy> as far as meeting log
<isforinsects> are we adjourning now?
<hhardy> shortly
<isforinsects> when you say adjourn I'll stopp logging and post
<isforinsects> So, yes
<hhardy> ACTION ITEM: need a vlounteer to help triage
<hhardy> did you have a bot on the 1st 15 min?
<adric> .... which ward?
<isforinsects> Yes, I have the entire meeting.
<hhardy> I am tired still I was sardined into a compact car
<hhardy> I am tired still I was sardined into a compact car
<adric> Yikes
<adric> Yikes
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<hhardy> yes yikes indeed
<hhardy> yes yikes indeed
<adric> Thanks, hhardy , bye all!
<adric> Thanks, hhardy , bye all!

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Greetings

          (~dogi@dsl092-078-228.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net)has joined #olpc-admin
 <hhardy> dogi: hello
   <dogi> hi hhardy
* adric (~adric@adsl-160-8-87.asm.bellsouth.net) has joined #olpc-admin
 <hhardy> adric: hail
  <adric> hi all. Rain and traffic
 <hhardy> hi I'm back in town but haven't read rt or email yet I'm still
          officially onvacation till tomorrow
 <hhardy> yeah I drove from near Albany today to Boston and it was pouring
          until the lasthour

rt

 <hhardy> how's rt?
   <dogi> hhardy: i send u an invitation mail for my B-Day ...
 <hhardy> I was thinking we could do some of the categorizing and rtfm stuff
          likesupport0gang has
  <adric> hhardy: Seems to still be up :) I'm still getting up to speed, and
          getting mychops back
 <hhardy> adam holt can tell you about some of that stuff or ffm, culseg,
          others
  <adric> Ah, right. Yeah, and 3.8 has a ll kinds of orgaizaing tricks
 <hhardy> it would be nice to track things over time such as tickets epened,
          tickets currently open, tickets closed, and composition of the type of ticket w/in a queue
<lfaraone|ffm> oh, hello people.
 <hhardy> Kim and I would like a "bird's eye view" some meaningful metrics as
          far as the sysadmin queue
* lfaraone|ffm thanks hhardy for reminding him.
  <adric> Oh, yes. We've tried to use a custom field for that in help@ with
          some succes
  <adric> Right
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I was wondering how _I_ can get involved with the VIG.
 <hhardy> well since you are hear first say what you know and can do and who
          you are (optionally)
 <hhardy> *here
 <hhardy> there is a lsit of things we would like to have done on the wiki page
 <hhardy> and you can edit the discussion page there
 <hhardy> there is a mailing list which is kind of light right now
 <hhardy> and this channel

Introductions

<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: Well, I'm a wikipedia admin, as well as one on w.l.o, who
          has some experience with bots.
<lfaraone|ffm> I'm also pretty good with server adminining, running 3 at home
          and 2 at my school.
 <hhardy> isforinsects is organizing a wiki gang
 <hhardy> our involvement in wiki would be maintaining the backend, web server,
          database, backups, upgrades

wiki.laptop.org defacement and deletion issues

  <adric> we definitely need help with automated wiki defense. Got hit at least
          twice this weekend
 <hhardy> performance metrics
<isforinsects> Whoops, I slipped the meeting, hi all
 <hhardy> yep need defense bots in action
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: I can do upgrades, some backend management, mailing list
          admin, trac, git matinence, and wiki extentions.
   <dogi> hi isforinsects
 <hhardy> ffm you have any ideas about wiki bots for defending?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: yes, cluebot.
 <hhardy> isfor any news on that one bandito
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: however it requires some extra summaries.
 <hhardy> the one who was obcessed w/ final fantasy?
<isforinsects> lfaraone|ffm, we badly need someone to run a cluebot.
<isforinsects> Well, possibly not a cluebot.
 <hhardy> grunch, glorp named somethng like that?
<isforinsects> gwarp
 <hhardy> yeah
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: grawp.
<isforinsects> and he's a Harry Potter fan :P
 <hhardy> according to wikipedia he has dozens of aliases and reflectors
  <adric> The skidiot?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: mhm.
<isforinsects> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: IMHO, cluebot would work nicely assuming we can get the heuristics written well.
  <adric> Oh, it's on ED, eh. Must be true.
<isforinsects> The issue with cluebot is non-english strings
 <hhardy> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grawp
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: oh, php can't handle it?
 <hhardy> oops that paste was meant for browser :)
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: how about
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VoABot_II or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MartinBot4647 ?
<isforinsects> You tell me.
<lfaraone|ffm> (two other bots, we can prolly get the source)
<isforinsects> If you want to take on the project, coordinate with cjl and
          myself.
<isforinsects> and give us a breakdown
<isforinsects> cjl has also done research on this.
<isforinsects> dogi almost got what bot running the other day?
<isforinsects> He was working on it at 1cc with SJ
   <dogi> cluebot
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: kk.
 <hhardy> isforinsects: how are things at 1cc?

ACTION ITEMS

 <hhardy> ok it seems we had some ACTION ITEMS: there
 <hhardy> let's pull those out so we can grep for them
 <hhardy> who will do bots for wiki anti-vandal patrol?
  <adric> hhardy: Was there an agenda to-night? I was late getting on
<isforinsects> ACTION ITEM: ffm: let's coordinate between is4, cjl, dogi and you
          on the VIG list?
 <hhardy> no agenda I just got back in town
<lfaraone|ffm> isforinsects: sure
 <hhardy> I probably have > 10,000 emails to sort through tomorrow
   <dogi> is4: ok
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: lol, prolly
  <adric> hhardy: Vacations are risky due to what you have to come back to :D
 <hhardy> 10046 actually and counting
 <hhardy> has anyone heard from noah recently about trac?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: hrn?
 <hhardy> (hrn?)?

No news on content server

 <hhardy> any news on content server?
 <hhardy> reasonably fast transcoding whould be part of that + big pipe

rt spam

 <hhardy> has the spam situation on rt:help improved sincw e got the barracuda implemented better?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: somewhat... not really.
  <adric> hmm .. maybe? Do we have metric no that?
<lfaraone|ffm> hhardy: when exactly was that impelmented?
 <hhardy> cjl has been getting good stats
 <hhardy> before I left so 2 weeks ago
 <hhardy> mail to rt.l.o is now to go through the barracuda as well as that to
          l.o
 <hhardy> let me check the mx records
  <adric> only one mx for either .. diff ips
 <hhardy> kids, don't try this at home, nslookup is deprecated, use dig :)
 <hhardy> root@thinker:~# nslookup
 <hhardy> > set type=mx
 <hhardy> > laptop.org
 <hhardy> Server:         18.85.2.138
 <hhardy> Address:        18.85.2.138#53
 <hhardy> laptop.org      mail exchanger = 10 pedal.laptop.org.
 <hhardy> laptop.org      mail exchanger = 5 spam.laptop.org.
 <hhardy> > rt.laptop.org
  <adric> nslookup, lol
 <hhardy> Server:         18.85.2.138
 <hhardy> Address:        18.85.2.138#53
 <hhardy> rt.laptop.org   mail exchanger = 10 spam.laptop.org.
 <hhardy> old brain, old synapses lol
  <adric> Weird, when I dig I'm only getting one mx for either..
 <hhardy> hmmm I expected to see a secondary MX for rt in case of Barracuda is
          down
 <hhardy> I will ask MB about that
  <adric> kk ..
 <hhardy> I know Barracuda goes down when it updates its databases
 <hhardy> anyway I think it is required by RFC's

Recruitment

  <adric> My only immediate concerns re: RT are where's holt? :) and Can I have
          minions plskthx?
 <hhardy> sure find some good minions lol
 <hhardy> I don't have them in my back pocket
 <hhardy> lcukily for them
  <adric> Yeah .. help@ really needs help categorized
 <hhardy> gregdek might have a source of minions
<gregdek> Hm?
 <hhardy> the fedora infrastructure group
  <adric> , er raather with (re)categorization
 <hhardy> adric was asking for minions to help with rt
 <hhardy> I said sure go get some
  <adric> I'm revving up on the tickets from holt, bt we need some legwork
  <adric> Other than that I've got plenty of work to do, all laid out :)
 <hhardy> the people who made rt are friends and are local I suspect they will
          answer quesitons also theres the rt chan at irc.perl.org
  <adric> Yes :) I'm trying to triage our rt met tickets to find out what we
          need to ask BP about.
 <hhardy> irc.perl.org:#rt
  <adric> oh yes, I've been a bother there :)

database hot backups

 <hhardy> gregdek: or whomever--a need we have is to identify all our critical
          databases and make scripts to back them up regularly and to verify the backups
 <hhardy> adric: good
<gregdek> What kind of dbs?  mysql?
  <adric> And the rt-users list is noisy, but quite helpful
 <hhardy> mysql and postgres
* gregdek nods.
 <hhardy> I've got lot of TB free on grinch so there is root and we can rsync
          stuff over to there in an automated way
 <hhardy> we can use my simple scripts to move stuff to grinch we just need a
          nice hot backup for all the db
 <hhardy> *room not root above lol
 <hhardy> freudian slip?
  <adric> Sure, sounds lovely. Jsut need to find hot copy for the DBs
 <hhardy> if people are looking for a one-off project thats a good high
          priority one which would be low hanging fruit if accomplished
 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: find someone to coordinate making the inventory of
          databases and making and testing the hot backup proceudres
 <hhardy> any other low hanging fruit type things come to mind?

rt needs

  <adric> Legwork in RT, but I'm not sure j random helper could help much.
 <hhardy> isforinsects: ping
 <hhardy> I kind of want people doing things they know very well how to do
<isforinsects> pong hhardy
 <hhardy> at least enough to not make a mess
* isforinsects reads back
  <adric> Oh I agree. This is something I wasn't able to keep up with before
          VIG happened, lol
 <hhardy> do you want to tidy up the logs, I will give your user on thinker
          access to my irclogs
  <adric> Yeah. We need a plan to organzize the tickets for everyone, but
          there's always going to leg work sifting the uncategorized, or worse, recategorizing if make a major organizational change
 <hhardy> as far as meeting log
<isforinsects> are we adjourning now?
 <hhardy> shortly
<isforinsects> when you say adjourn I'll stopp logging and post
<isforinsects> So, yes
 <hhardy> ACTION ITEM: need a vlounteer to help triage
 <hhardy> did you have a bot on the 1st 15 min?
  <adric> .... which ward?
<isforinsects> Yes, I have the entire meeting.
 <hhardy> I am tired still I was sardined into a compact car
  <adric> Yikes
 <hhardy> ok good for now, see you next week or on the list or here whenever
 <hhardy> yes yikes indeed
  <adric> Thanks, hhardy , bye all!