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== LiveCD in Latest releases out of date ==
* This page is for the '''discussion of the [[Main Page]]''', not for specific questions and comments about the OLPC.
Hello. In the "Latest Releases" box, the link to the LiveCD must be updated. It still refer to Build 385, while a recent version is available (ftp://rohrmoser-engineerinit is probably the most useful link over there, and at first this was going to be a gripe about it going away entirely, but then I realized someone had just mis-categorized it (IMHO). You can lose the [[Special:Random|Random Page]] link for all I care (as SJ has [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=OLPC_talk:Vandalism&diff=127373&oldid=127372| observed] , it's more or less a ticket to an XO Korea page anyway. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 15:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
* If you have '''questions about your XO laptop''', please see the [[Support FAQ]].
: I'm torn about where to put it. It is both about the project -- a way to see its current activity -- and of course about the wiki. It was moved because it was 'below the fold' on most monitors. I'm open to other suggeestions. And I still find randompages useful; olpc korea is only ~15% of the site :) --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 13:37, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
* If you have '''questions about One Laptop per Child''', please go to the [[OLPC FAQ]]; if you still have a question, please goto the [[Ask OLPC a Question]] page.
::There is enough real estate "below the fold" to have a second copy of the link under OLPC wiki. I'm not the only one asking. See [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar&diff=prev&oldid=127561| FGrose comment] elsewhwere. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 18:30, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
* For questions and comments about specific features, please use the discussion page of the article where that feature is discussed.
* Questions about your '''Give One Get One order''' can be found [[Ask_OLPC_a_Question_about_Give_One_Get_One_orders|here]].
* If you are interested in helping with '''translations''', please go [[Localization|here]].
* Please sign all comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
* Please put new text under old text. Click [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=edit&section=new '''here'''] to start a new topic.


== Add Machine Translation ==
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I would like to add the GoogleTrans-en template to the Main page. In spite of the worthy efforts of many translators in many languages, the number of edits to this page are more than any handful of humans can keep up with. By adding this template it will allow users the option of accessing a translation of this pageGoogleTranslation in one of 22 languages, they will have access to "good enough" translation of more current content. Furthermore, the Google translation frame will allow them to navigate the rest of the wiki from this entry point with translation turned on, if they so choose. See for example my User:page [[User:Cjl]], select any language and then navigate off the page by any of the links while the Google translation frame is active. It is also simple to dismiss the translation frame and switch back to the original verison of the page.
Archives : [[Main Page/Archive 1|2006]] [[Main Page/Archive 2|2007]] [[Main Page/Archive 3|2008]]


'''The argument against relying solely on human translations.''' I reviewed the other lang-xx versions of this page (certainly one of the most translated and updated pages) and recorded the most recent version number from the translation template. Clearly many of these are cases of the version number not being kept up to date (a challenge in itself), but on the other hand, history shows many of these pages have not had substantial revisions for months and months. No matter how much you might prefer a human translation, you must admit that at present, the community of lang-xx translators cannot keep pace with the larger community of lang-en editors. We should not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 22:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
== 2008 ==
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: please remind me why this is better than the translation links in the skin... placement? --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 06:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


== Moved comment from 200.101.90.215 ==
In the interest of a fresh start to a new year, I archived the discussions from the page [[Main_Page/Archive_2|here]]. There was an active thread regarding Give One Get One orders, which I moved to [[Ask_OLPC_a_Question_about_Give_One_Get_One_orders|here]]. Wishing everyone a great 2008. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 18:22, 2 January 2008 (EST)


Looks horrible on IE6 * Please fix *
== Thank You for the Give One Get One Opportunity ==
: noted! --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]]


== "How to update" links to old page! ==
I've been following the one laptop per child movement from the sidelines for sometime now as an MIT alumna and web marketer in higher education. In November, I was very excited to learn of the opportunity to be able to donate a laptop and also get one for my son. I think it is really important for him to be able to share in the experience, learn about education in other parts of the world, and to support this project.


"How to update" link on Main page (in box) links to a page saying there is a newer version of this page available (?!) [[Special:Contributions/76.243.220.21|76.243.220.21]] 02:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
We were especially excited when our XO arrived in time for my eight-year old son to explore the laptop while my 22-year old son was also visiting from the west coast. They have both been very impressed and have had fun together using it. We spent one day walking around Boston, from the Common to Fanueil Hall, along the waterfront to a cafe in the North End, and on the T back through Cambridge, all the while finding hotspots to access the Internet and playing with the sound analyzer and video cam. My older son's friends are all jealous (I'll be directing at least one of them to your XO emulator on PC info) and the mom of two of my younger son's friends was going to look into giving and getting an XO for them, too, altho I don't know if she made the December 31st deadline -- will you be having another window of opportunity to do this?


== New main page design ==
Also, I saw the previous comment where someone suggested including a placard with donated laptops and wanted to share an alternate suggestion my sons and their friends had come up with -- wouldn't it be cool if the paired "given one" and "gotten one" laptops automatically networked with each other, sort of like online penpals?


We need a total redesign of the page. Mel and Seth and others have been saying the same thing for a while... so let's actually design a new model and implement it. I'd like to see something like [http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portada the catalan wp main page] : with small colorful in-page tabs, a highly summarized and limited set of information in short paragraphs and bullet points, each linking to details elsewhere on the wiki, and a set of alternative page views including a static html view, for usability.
Anyhow, just wanted to say thanks and keep up the good work!
[[User:192.138.214.106|192.138.214.106]] 12:13, 3 January 2008 (EST)suedown 01/03/08


Each of the sections of the main page is another target for maintenance -- people interested in one area of news or another, in feeds or images or media, can keep that part of the main apge up to date without worrying about the currency of the rest of it; and without interlacing the overall page history with the section history. Now we only need to get the [[OLPC:Design gang|Design gang]] involved...[[Special:Contributions/24.61.14.99|24.61.14.99]] 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
== 3rd party peripherals and software ==
: But the new main page design is barren and still static. It needs love! I still like the [[wikitravel:Main Page|wikitravel]] and [http://wikieducator.org wikieducator] homepages best... along with the [[w:ca:Main Page|catalan Wikipedia]]. --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 21:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


== Participation ==
could anyone help me getting a external hard drive (western digital passport) to work on my XO?
what about a torrent program?
finally, is there some kind of tutorial webpage for using terminal?
many thanks
sapien


The menu on the left should include a link to the Participate page. It could perhaps replace several of the more specific topics there.--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 19:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:In regard to your third question, it is essential just a vanilla xterm window. Any generic Linux command-line tutorial would be applicable, e.g., [http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/unixhelp/] and [http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/] --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 22:23, 3 January 2008 (EST)


== UBUNTU ==
== Status of orders placed in December ==


How about, let us easily install ubuntu?
My wife couldn't stand it and ordered a G1G1 sometime in mid December. Do you have a window for shipping these units?
Bill


: I just wrote a [[Ubuntu Lucid on OLPC XO|howto for Ubuntu Lucid (10.04)]]. It is a slightly involved, but fairly straightforward process. :] It would be nice if someone figured out what changes the stock Ubuntu kernel needs in order to work. --[[User:Maxxflow|Maxxflow]] 19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
== Congratulations on the XO! ==


== Concise mission improvement ==
I can't say enough about the fantastic achievement of the OLPC team and all of it's supporters. I hope that the designer(s) will be nominated for an award for Industrial Design.Keep up the outstanding work (and send an XO to Bill Gates!).
Bill


: How about, improving concise mission? As a member of the indigenous Australian community I am very offended with the amount of racism that is going on here.
== thank you for my xo ==
:: People may be blind to their own racism. Feel free to edit in non-racist language. --[[User:FGrose|FGrose]] 01:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


== New discussions moved to the Cafe ==
Thank you for my new XO, I love it. The only thing I cannot get used t0 is the keyboard made for tiny hands, as my adult fingers are just too big. I also very much appreciate the 1 yr/ free access to t-mobile hotspots and am using one right now, it works great! I hope the child who receives my donated computer is able to learn and enjoy it as much. thanks again for this opportunity & I will spread the word about OLPC!
See [[OLPC:Cafe]] for more. --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]]
donna


== Helping with this wiki ==
Got mine. Patience, young Skywalker.


I would like to help out maintaining this wiki, however a lot of pages are locked from editing for me. Is there some solution for this? e.g. can somebody give me admin status? It is mostly wikilinks fixing what I want to do, but this wiki suffers from bad linking quite a lot.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 21:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
== There is no excuse for the shipping limbo ==


Sounds great. You've made one edit already. Keep going. For things you can't edit, mention them to those who can. Once the trust develops, and the load increases, we will probably increase your access. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 22:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I did a VISA charge back today. This is ridiculous. I ordered on Nov 13th. Still no laptop. It was a Christmas gift for my young son. I feel I've been taken advantage of... OLPC owes everyone a big apology. If they can't ship one to my son, why should I believe they are shipping them to Africa or wherever?
::I think I'm going to pursue a VISA charge back as well. After the very hopeful email earlier this week telling me I'd find out something today, I got this: "Dear Donor,
::I have located your donation and your donation confirmation number is 70000XXXXX. Your laptop is currently in our warehouse and preparing to be shipped. You should expect to receive your laptop in February. There is no tracking number currently available because you laptop has yet to ship. Once your laptop ships, you can track it by entering your reference number at http://64.34.176.239/laptop_giving/index.html Thank you for your interest in One Laptop Per Child.
::OLPC
::Donor Services"
::So it appears the fabled January 23rd email is more of the same "in the warehouse and preparing to be shipped" that I've heard for over a month now.
::OLPC never fails to disappoint. -[[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:19, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:::Well, no contested charges for me. With no warning, my xos showed up about ten minutes ago! So this is being posted via XO. And I have to say it's amazing. Fantastic job on the computer and the software. (We'll just never mention the shipping again) -[[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 12:46, 26 January 2008 (EST)


== Watchlist feeds ==
Canadian "Get" laptops are in. "Early 2008" is an excuse; a "sleight of hand" to distract from the fact that there is no shipping window for these laptops.


Hi there,
Canadian donors... talk to your financial institution about disputing the charges to your credit card. You can, despite OLPC's terms and conditions.


what about upgrading MediaWiki in order to have watchlists accessible via RSS/ATOM feeds as for instance Wikipedia or OSM Wiki have? It would help me a lot in watching this site.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 08:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any news here?--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 12:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:: There are these links in Sidebar Toolbox section for the Related changes page, [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&feed=rss&target=Talk%3AMain_Page RSS] and [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&feed=atom&target=Talk%3AMain_Page atom],
:: and similar ones on the Recent changes page for the wiki (reach it from the Sidebar, About OLPC). --[[User:FGrose|FGrose]] 16:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


== Humbly Opine ==
Oh, indeed!! Worse yet, there was no signature requirement, so FedEx is refusing to open claims without OLPC's request. Try getting a hold of anyone at OLPC to get this claim process started, and you'll know the meaning of the word, "frustration." They claim my laptop was shipped, but OLPC failed to send an email with the tracking number until FIVE DAYS after it was to have arrived. Naturally, I'm out a laptop, and neither FedEx or OLPC seems to be able to comprehend the issue.
Regarding the concern expressed by some colleagues that 3,000 laptops is less than a rain drop in an ocean, I would humbly opine that once we successfully deploy the initial 3,000 we can can then shoot for a million laptops, for then the sky will be the limit. Don't you reckon? -- Larry.


:Shipment to Canada has begun. Again, our apologies for the delay. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 09:57, 12 January 2008 (EST)
:Which colleagues? Where is the concern expressed? I can't see the context of your anonymous response. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


::Ah, I see, you are commenting about the page [[Collaborative_GrantProposal]]. Please put comments about that page on the talk page of that page. See [[Talk:Collaborative_GrantProposal]] That page and others should also move to be under a project, to avoid confusion. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
How about a laptopgiving.org front page apology to all US donors who still don't have an XO and still have no tracking number? How about a reply to emails? Or less than an hour phone hold times? Or people on the other end that can actually tell us something? How about some real updates on when people are going to see their XOs? <small>—Preceding [[OLPC:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.132.232.147|74.132.232.147]] ([[User talk:74.132.232.147|talk]]) 11:03, January 12, 2008 EST</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->
:We are working with our donor services contractors to improve process, service, and communication. Note that almost all messages to '''help AT laptop.org''' on technical questions receive answers, albeit eventually. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 16:11, 12 January 2008 (EST) and --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:27, 12 January 2008 (EST)


== Please not only "black kids with XO's on the front page also pics with "white kids". Making stand out more that the XO-XServer combination is the best laptop out there, also for rich kids ==
So, it appears as if the 15th will come and go and I will still not have my XO laptops, or even communication sent ''to me'' telling me that my order has been delayed, no reason given, nothing. This is sorely dissappointing. You have now had my money for two months, and I still have no laptop, t-mobile code, or any indication or reason to believe that the Give1 XOs are not suffering a similar fate. -[[User:74.132.232.147|74.132.232.147]] 19:42, 14 January 2008 (EST)
Imho one of the reasons OLPC takes such a long time to catch on in developed countries, is that there's too many pics of poor black, asian, lating american kids associated with it. This is misleading many people into thinking that this is a poor kids laptop/initiative and for sure the laptop is not something that's good enough for kids in "normal"/"rich" countries.
:We don't manage shipping. The reason your laptop is taking so long to get to you is mostly because our shipping priority is the third world, we are trying to get '''them''' their laptops, as they have more urgent needs. We are working on it, and will get you yours as soon as possible. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 19:55, 14 January 2008 (EST)
Therefore I'd like to propose to switch the wording of the mission around. Now it reads:
::That would be fine if everything on laptopgiving from day one till today didn't tell me that I should have had the Get1 laptops I ordered by December 24th. Obviously, since I participated, I want this '''them''' you speak of to get their laptops, but that, just like "we're a non-profit" is no excuse for horrible planning and customer service. -[[User:74.132.232.147|74.132.232.147]] 20:13, 14 January 2008 (EST)
"The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's most isolated and poorest children by giving each child a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning."
:::May I suggest that you send email to help AT laptop.org? They may be able to help. But they cannot provide much guidance in regard to anonymous postings. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 20:34, 14 January 2008 (EST)
but watch this:
"The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's children by giving each child the best rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop configuration - the XO and XServer combination; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning. At OLPC, we will focus on the most isolated and poorest kids and we assume the regions that are well structured and rich enough, to auto-organize themselves in developing capacity, demo-projects and full-scale deployments."
Pls vote this latter to the top.--[[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] 23:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


== OLPC Tablet ==
January 16th. No XO. No tracking number. No indication from OLPC or Brightstar when it will arrive (after hours on the phone and numerous emails). Not even an email telling me it wouldn't be arriving by 12/24. All indications on the laptopgiving.org page saying that I should have reveived it by '''at the very latest''' yesterday. Bang-up job on this whole G1G1 thing, gents. -[[User:128.210.84.49|128.210.84.49]] 16:48, 16 January 2008 (EST)


Discussion of hardware and software of the tablet is noticeably absent from this wiki. Questions parallel those pertaining to the laptop. How is the case built? Glued or welded together? Can the battery be replaced? Anyone succeeded in upgrading the Android system or installing another system. Anyone outside Vivitar developing software? Silence is imposed by Vivitar? Merely from the tablet being new?
Another hour and a half on hold to be told that it's now "mid-February" and no one has any idea why my laptop hasn't shipped or what's going on with it. No reasons, no explanations. I think G1G1 is a scam, and I will be contesting all charges with the help of my credit card company. Cheerio! -[[User:128.210.84.49|128.210.84.49]] 18:20, 16 January 2008 (EST)


Regards, ... Peter E, [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 15:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
January 17th I'm in Ottawa. I ordered mine on the first day (Nov 12th) and it was sitting on my porch when I got home yesterday. No duty or taxes were charged. By coincidence I checked the OPL tracking site yesterday during the day with my reference number but it just produced the "well get you you in January/February" message.


:You are the first person to ask these questions here, which probably means that the interest is nil apart from you. The documentation for Android tablets can be found elsewhere on the internet. It would be unnecessary and would lead to errors if we were to duplicate the documentation for Android. We would also incur a huge load from people looking for Android documentation for products we don't sell. You can find our XO-4 Android documentation, specific to the XO-4, on the page [[Android]]. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
:Jan 17th and still no word on my order. I did a phone order Nov 19th and didn't receive conformation via email until 12/15/07. I went to the tracking section with my confirmation number in hand and recieved no new information just the dates I was told a long time ago. I still don't know if my laptop is one of the november ones or a december order. Anyone else in my boat? -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 10:04, 17 January 2008 (EST)


:: OK thanks. Being first isn't necessarily bad. Given that there is some interest in maintaining the laptops, a similar interest is likely to develop for the tablets as more of them come into use and failures occur. If laptop.org can spare a place for discussion, good. Other possibilities exist. Regarding software, I wonder how the system starts. A Forth PROM? A PC BIOS accessible to the user? Proprietary firmware? I can buy one and explore but documentation wouldn't hurt. Regards, ... [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 15:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
::Received an email today saying that they knew about my issues and I think I am one of the notebooks scheduled to be shipped on the 21st of January. No tracking info as of yet, but hopeful that the laptop will be shipped eventually. Not quite like being able to take it back with me on the plane, but I hope shipping isn't all that bad. -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 06:10, 21 January 2008 (EST)


:::Thanks for the feedback. For the XO laptop, we led the hardware and firmware design process, so our documentation is rich and extensive. But for the tablet, we had no involvement in the hardware and firmware design process, so we don't have documentation to the same extent. We can and do create documentation where the costs of doing so can be offset against a bulk purchase. You'd need to be buying thousands before we could get involved to that extent. If you wish to create documentation, then research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field. There's no real need to buy one of our tablets to do this, any Android tablets of the same technology era would be sufficient. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Another email asking for the same information again, but this time to be phoned in to them. Explained that I am in the UK and not in the states so the 1800 number will not work. I can call them on my mobile, but that should be unnecessary, as they in theory should be able to fix it themselves. Recieved an email today stating that: "I will send this on to get taken care of by hand. If you don't hear back within a week, please send another email reminder so that we can give you a progress report. Thanks for your patience!" I will update again to see if anything changes. -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 06:18, 24 January 2008 (EST)


::::"... our documentation is rich and extensive."
::::Yet another email from them this time a new relevation
::::Certainly I appreciate that. XOs have a strong claim to be the best laptops ever built. Thanks!
::::At least some contributions to wiki.lapttop.org have been made voluntarily by users with no formal connection to OLPC. Therefore if a page in wiki.laptop.org were allowed for the tablet, voluntary contributions are possible. A tablet FAQ page for example. It wouldn't have to burden OLPC staff excessively.
::::"... research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field."
::::I imagined very elementary questions such as these.
::::Is the screen legible in reflected light?
::::What is a typical usage time before battery recharge?
::::Can the battery be replaced?
::::Regards, ... Peter E., [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 17:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::So you're asking me to allow or bless a page you haven't created yet. A page with questions that I'm not empowered to answer, that you call elementary, and that you don't have the answers for. I don't see the sense in that. Who will benefit? Apparently only you, and only for your curiosity. Who will be harmed? It would seem to be a cost and risk to OLPC. So I cannot allow. Tablets are an off-the-shelf generic product, or their specifications are negotiated in a bulk order. They sell for as little as $18 close to point of manufacture in China. There's just not the margin to support a documentation ecosystem for them. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 20:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


== Password for login at wiki.laptop.org ==
:::::::There will be big news this week explaining this entire situation. Keep your eyes peeled on (1) http://laptopgiving.org where a much more comprehensive order-tracker should be available later this week and (2) updates on how each donor can get the quickest resolution should be posted on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_Fulfillment_Information going forward, as well as our main page likely too later this week: http://wiki.laptop.org


Hi,<br>
:::::::About 5000 laptops will be arriving over the coming week. Then another batch will be arriving later, due to production delays. Hope that help! Stay posted as we finally clear all this up.
As of 2022-04-10, is password change allowed? If so, what are the requirements for a new password? Number of characters, upper/lower case, numerals & etc. Thx, ... [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] ([[User talk:Peasthope|talk]]) 13:18, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

:Hope so. At least eight characters. Further guidance will be given by the software, which is MediaWiki. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] ([[User talk:Quozl|talk]]) 16:24, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
::::So maybe there is hope. I wonder what the information that will be given out later this week is? Possibly that they hadn't expected the demand and there was some sort of lottery system behind the scenes to determine when people would get their laptop? Wouldn't suprise me. -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 11:20, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::::Another update

:::::::::We're happy to inform you that your XO laptop has shipped. In order to help you get the most out of your experience with the XO and One Laptop per Child (OLPC), here are some important links. Please save this email for reference. To find out everything you need to know to get started with your XO laptop, please click here or visit www.laptopgiving.org/start. Your order reference number: Edited out Please click here to track your order on our website. For Terms and Conditions of the Give One Get One initiative, click here. To learn more about T-Mobile USA's offer to provide one year of complimentary access to T-Mobile HotSpot, click here. Please note that to activate this offer, you will need to enter your Give One Get One order reference number: editedout From all of us at OLPC, thank you for your participation in Give One Get One. Your gift will help give children around the globe amazing, new opportunities to grow, explore, learn and express themselves. We hope you enjoy your XO laptop!

:::::So I am guessing it will be at my house sometime soon. Then only a nice cross atlantic trip and I will finally be able to check it out. Here's to everything working (in theory) -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 09:26, 31 January 2008 (EST)

::::::Woohoo, just got an email and the laptop is at home, now just a small wait until it gets to the UK. -- [[User:Koolkat|Koolkat]] 04:56, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Same boat... All I keep getting is "all circuits are busy" and the same ridiculous, unhelpful message that all laptops will ship in the US by 1/15.
Guess what?! It's 1/17... and still now real response from anybody but an autobot.

At the very least, thanks for the changing of the tracking page. It helps to see something telling me that I should not necessarily already be posting to this wiki on my XO. -[[User:Awexome|Awexome]]

I just wanted to check on things, am still on hold after an hour, no tracking number and I am in the US. Oh well, so much for OLPC.

One response after three emails sent. One call where I received very little information. They should do a lot better. I plug my information into the tracking page and get squat. At least I don't get an invalid ID anymore. Just a generic "We are working hard..." message with a broken link.

My name is Dion and I to am having the same problem. I orderd my computer in early December. I have no
Kowledge of when it is coming, just the usual run around and broken links. Here is something that everyone is missing. I understand that this is a gift for a third world country, and that is the major reason for my pledge, but did they dare to stop and think about the child I purchased this for. The girl who has to go to school every day talking about a Christmas Gift that she still hasn't recieved, and may never recieved. I am begining to wonder if the third world reciepints have received their laptops at all. It strikes me very odd that they would be able to manage third world distribution over Continental. Hmmmm!!!! We deceided yesterday the 21st of January to try and cancel our order and just go and buy a laptop. We did recieve a response on this. Our order is being processed for shipping and can not be cancelled. My order has been processed for shipping for a very long time now, yet still no information. They tell me to use my reference number to track the progress. When I go to that page I receive a general message with no time frame and then a link to track it again. Yet when I attempt that I get a broken link message. I am starting to wonder how much thought and planning both went in to the computer and the logistics. Someone had mentioned I hope these guys are honored. Tell that to the child waiting for her Christmas Gift. I will give the Laptop people one more week and then I am cancelling my Payment.

Well I have recieved a tracking number. Then afterwards 30 minutes later I recieved a following e-mail stating they are waiting for more inventory for delivery. We will see how it goes.

New news. The tracking number was for something else I had ordered. So basically NO COMPUTER STILL.

I AM DONE> IWOULD SUGGEST EVERYONE CANCEL THEIR ORDER>!!!!!!!! THIS IS B.S.


I repeat if you haven't recieved your order CANCEL IT!!!!!!!!!!!


New news today. Laptops are now 45-60 Days away from being delivered. These people are full of shit. How is last week I couldn't cancel my order because my Laptop was being shipped, now it isn't even built, or the people they gave the paypal shipping excuse to. Had you not have lied to me I would have been allright, but lie after lie after lie, pisses me off, especially in a donation situation. I apologize to whomever was supposed to receive the laptop overseas, but blame the company not me. I am getting my money back before this company dissapears.

== free concept map tool download for XO ==

The IHMC has released CmapTools for the XO, see http://cmap.ihmc.us/xo/ (free for educators)

CmapTools allows collaborative concept mapping over the internet, you may need to learn to use it on a regular laptop before trying it on the XO (screen size)

...Roy

The instructions given at the IHMC site seem to be for an early build and are not easily followed for the G1G1 releases. It would be nice if someone would update this.

...w9zsj

== OLPC/Curriki in Mexico ==

In our school, EGAP [ http://cmpublish.itesm.mx/wps/portal/egap ], we have been thinking about how we can integrate Mexico in the OLPC project. This letter presents to you our proposal, which is open to changes according to your suggestions.We are a multidisciplinary group of students (bios in attached document) who want to generate content for the XO in Spanish. After doing web based research we found Curriki as the best option to introduce us in the production of educational content with open source standards. Thus, we want to generate content that serves both Curriki’s and OLPC’s priorities.

Our project is “Geomapping in Americas’Elementary Schools” which involves creating an interactive map of the Americas with geographical and sociological information that would help teachers in social science courses for children between 9 and 10 years old. The map will consist of two layers, one with graphical content and the other with language. Thus although the project will be in Spanish it can be easily adapted to other languages. This map will have images, colors and designs according to every country, as well as specific elements like flags, structure and other basic information. We are going to use Flash as a graphical base for the project. Our project will have to day as deadlines; first, for the information content, we will have the text and class contents (20 lessons) in a publishable format by October 26. The graphical part of the project, maps and design, will be finish by November 15.

In order to construct the map, we will research geography education in 4th and 5th grade in Latin America, U.S. and Canada, text books, remarkable research and interview geography teachers.

It is important to highlight that we already contacted the offices of the PHD and the Master program in education in our university this to get feedback and permanent reviews of the pedagogical and instructional design of the content. Also, we will prepare lesson plans on geography which we will link to the map. Finally, we will make copies of the product for elementary schools in our city, in order to have monitoring capacity.

We look forward to hearing from you and will wait for your response so that we can incorporate any changes and suggestion you may have.

Best Wishes

Fernando Rojas Andrews MSC Candidate in International Law A00881041@itesm.mx EGAP Building, Sixth Floor.ZIP 66269 +(5281)86258366

<b>Bios</b>

<b>Dante Sanchez</b>

He was awarded in 2003 with the State Youth Leadership Prize and Candidate to the National Award of Youth Leadership; studied a Master Degree in economics and public policy at the EGAP in Monterrey Mexico. Dante has work as a Civil servant, NGO's volunteer and assistant in educational institutions; also he has worked for the World Bank as a Development Marketplace Program Evaluator and collaborates in projects of Education Measuring for Developing Countries sponsored by the OECD. Specialized in regional development and education, has worked at the ITESM since 2005.

<b>Fernando Rojas</b>

He is a lawyer who studies the Master in International Law in EGAP. He also is currently working as a Research Assistant in the Master in Public Policy. He worked in consulting projects for the Mexican Education Minister and the UN. He is interested in Open Source, International Tax Law, Computer Law and Justice. Also he took a course of Information Technologies at the Kennedy School of Government (Harvard) and a course of American Law at the Law Center of Georgetown University.

<b>Hector GHF</b>

He has a young creative mind. He studied Marketing in Mexico at the prestigious School of Business of Tecnologico de Monterrey. He has worked for companies like Disney, Coca-Cola, and Kellogg supporting marketing strategies within; however he recently changed his administrative focus to a more creative approach working as an Assistant Producer in animated and live-action advertisement for international markets. He has worked as an independent illustrator for museums and children's books. Also, he freelances as a Graphic Designer when he has the chance. He has lived in Mexico, United States, and Argentina, this last being his current location.

<b>Nestor Guerrero</b>

He is a Mexican Master in Public Policy and Politics student in EGAP. He is a Bachelor in Computer Science Engineering of Tec de Monterrey. Actually he is half time working as Research Assistant in a Cathedra of Public Administration, Government and Citizens. His principal interest areas are electronic governance, open standards in public information, web services in public administrations, creating public value through information systems. He enjoys traveling and working with people from different countries.

<b>Ricardo Martinez</b>

He is an EGAP grad student in Public Administration, currently working as a Research Assistant. He did my major in Political Science and Public Administration in the Universidad de Monterrey (UDEM). He has been working in Governance issues and in Public Security. Also he took the Information Technologies and Innovation in Government Executive Program at the Kennedy School of Government (Harvard) in summer 2007 where he heard about the OLPC program.



<b>UPDATE - OLPC Mexico: Carlos Slim Buys 250,000 XO Laptops!</b>


Carlos Slim, the richest guy in the world and head of Telmex, is spending 870 million on a health institute, telecenters and this includes 70 million for 250,000 XOs. Focus will be on Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl in Mexico State, and Tuxtla Gutieérrez in Chiapas.

A OLPC purchase by Carlos Slim is not surprising, Nicholas Negroponte has been touting a Slim subsidized OLPC Mexico for a while now. But the price that Carlos Slim is paying for XO laptops is - its nowhere near the "$100 laptop" goal. TechNewsWorld reports that Slim:

would devote about $70 million (51 million euros) this year to the low-cost laptop program. With an estimated cost of $250 (183 euros) to $300 (220 euros) per machine,

While that may be like water off a ducks back for a man estimate to be worth $53 billion, to achieve his promised 1 million XO computers in 2008, he would have to donate $300 million to One Laptop Per Child at $280 dollars per computer per child.

[ http://www.olpcnews.com/countries/mexico/olpc_mexico_carlos_slim_xo_laptops.html ]

== Mini Documental sobre OLPC en Uruguay (15 mins) ==

Hola... les dejo un link a un mini documental sobre OLPC en Uruguay. Es un fragmento de un programa de TV. Y es un link público desde el sitio oficial de la productora que lo ha hecho.
http://www.presidencia.gub.uy/_web/informe_semanal/20071206.htm
El programa consta de 3 bloques, el bloque 3 es el que se refiere a OLPC. Así que solamente hacer click en el "Bloque 3, Video".
Abrazo!
Rafa XL, Spain.

== OLPC درباره پروژه ==

خوشحالم که در این محیط به زبان فارسی برای هموطنانم و نیز کسانی که به زبان فارسی صحبت نموده و می نویسند درباره این پرژه بزرگ می نویسم.

== build 653 ==

The front page lists build 650 as the current stable release, but http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/official/ reads "The latest official signed build is 653." Whoever changes the official build there should also update the front page. [[User:LeeColleton|LeeColleton]] 06:03, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Now the front page shows as build 653, but the data was not updated to 25-Dec-2008. Please update the date to match the build number. [[User:Eakin|Greg Eakin]] 20:25, 12 January 2008 (PST)

:The date of the build creation is 07-12-14. The release of the build to manufacturing (for clean installation) was shortly thereafter. We've done additional QA on the upgrade installation and have only recently confirmed its release. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 07:33, 13 January 2008 (EST)

== Canadian Order Received ==

Hi, Further to the announcement that Canadian orders were started January 9th, we received our XO box today, January 15th, in Ottawa, Ontario!

Same here on the 16th.

Have these successful shipments been given tracking information? or did the laptops just show up?

Just showed up on my porch. Seems to have been delivered by Fedex. With no signature required it could have just "walked away" before I got home and I'd have been none the wiser.

== [[Terminal#gnome-terminal|Terminal Pasting Workaround]]== [[User:Katie|Katie]] 16:45, 7 February 2008 (EST) Thanks!

== Hold Times For 1800 201 7144 ==

I just read here that hold times are reduced. I just spent 2 hours and have not talked to a person. I guess hold times used to be counted in days. I was a second day order in the US and I am still waiting, with out any word from olpc.
:Don't buy the hype. They haven't been reduced. I've spent about an hour and a half on the phone every time I've called, always to be told that no one knows anything, there's no one I can talk to that does, and there's nothing they can find out. This is an awful operation. -[[User:128.210.84.49|128.210.84.49]] 18:25, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::Keep in mind we are a charity, and do not do shipping in-house. We don't manage the support lines. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 19:27, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:::Right, but you're still '''responsible''' for them. They're working on your behalf. As are the people in charge of all the shipping SNAFUs. And you ''are'' in charge of laptopgiving.org- so how about taking down the false shipping dates from the "tracking" function and issuing a big "Sorry we screwed this whole thing up so badly" apology? -[[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:05, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::::Sorry, by ''we'' I mean I am not personally an employee of the project. I am just a volunteer. However, we are currently attempting to change the shipping dates, as we previously did not have the rights to do so. We apologize for the shipping delays, and are doing our best to expedite all orders, but we arn't selling you a product, we are giving you a gift in thanks for your donation. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 20:31, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:::::See, it's these attempts to make people who waited patiently through two '''totally gonna arrive by this date''' dates feel bad for being irritated that make many of us even more irritated. Why end with "but we arn't [sic] selling you a product, we are giving you a gift in thanks for your donation" and detract from the semi-apology you just made? I appreciate the fact that you're a volunteer, but admit that OLPC and/or the contractors it is responsible for messed lots of orders up pretty badly and that we donors are justified in our frustrations. And then don't tack on a guilt trip to the end. It does nothing to make us feel better about the flawed process. -[[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:39, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::::::Well said! I just wrote and deleted a suggestion on what OLPC might say to the D1G1G0 "donors" because it was even too sarcastic for me, and I have a pretty high sarcasm tolerance.


I agree 100%. What is this you are giving me a gift crap. I am giving you a gift. $400 and some dollars. Which if you (and by you I mean the company that you voluntereed for who is in charge of delivering what they promised, which may have meant thinking the whole process through before going ahead with it.) and your company said give me $400 for a laptop for a child in a third world country. I would have said no! Not to be selfish, but I was enticed by the fact that not only could I receive (or possibly not receive) a laptop for both a kid in need, but also a Christmas Present (yes I said Christmas present) for my daughter, as well as a tax rebate. Hmmmmm! I haven't received any of that. Not even a tracking number, yet my order still seems to be in process. Oh yeah I left out the T-Mobile free for a year hot spot. Where is 60 minutes now with their great story!!!!!!!!


Oh yeah. One more thing. I am sure UPS or Fed Ex. is to blame for this. I bet they love you guys pushing this off on them, since they are so new in the shipping game.

== Sever time ==

This wiki server looks to lose one day... Isn't it? -- [[User:LeeSI|LeeSI]] 23:57, 16 January 2008 (EST)

== bad wiki! ==
''moved comment to [[talk:wiki]]''

== My School Days Are Over ==

A suggestion for a short quip for presenters of OLPC for starters to set the mood of what it's all about.

A kid comes home after his first day at school and exclaims :

Mom, MY SCHOOLDAYS ARE OVER!

Why is that son dear, what happened?

Well, you know Mom, you spent a whole year teaching me:

How to crawl; How to sit; How to stay dry; How to sign you when I'm hungry;

And then another year:

How to walk; How to talk; How to behave; How to go potty; How to not cry so much;

And then another, a third year:

How to run: How to catch a ball; How to draw; How to hear stories; How to sing; ..

And then a fourth and fifth year:

Showing me all sorts of new things; Answering all my questions; ...

So, I get to school this morning and the first thing I hear is:

Sit down and Shut up. - My school days are over!

== removed sections ==

I removed some sections while cleaning up the main page: one had already been moved to the [[FAQ]], others were a bit redundant.


!---Moved to FAQ with link at top
==Notes on G1G1 shipment==
During the reconciliation process of the “get” laptops shipped during Give One Get
One, a number of unfulfilled order records were uncovered. The OLPC team has been
working hard with our partners to resolve all open issues. We expect another ~5000 XO
laptops will be shipped on Monday. The remaining orders pose an extra challenge as
they either have incomplete or no shipping and contact information. If you have not
yet received your XO laptop, you should be getting an individualized email that
addresses your specific situation. If you are scheduled to receive your laptop next
week, you will also be getting a follow-up email with tracking information. We'll be
adding additional phone lines and shifting agents to reduce wait times. A further
reconciliation of the data will be conducted this week, although hopeful, we can
anticipate additional incomplete orders. Our apologies for these delays.
-->

!-- belongs in FAQ, not main page
== Focus ==

* [[OLPC:Webpage corrections needed|Webpage corrections needed]]: requesting to update OLPC's websites
* [[Help chat]]: community-driven support channel via [http://olpc.osuosl.org web chat]
* [[Update paths]]: how to update your XO
* [[Emulating the XO]]: how to try out XO-1 laptop on your PC
* [[Portal:Education| Education Portal]]: for educators
* [[Help talk:Bulletin board|Bulletin Board]]: any comment specific to this wiki.
-->

And what to do with this? it needs better placement:
<nowiki> {{Latest Releases | firmware = inline | devel = inline | extra = inline}}</nowiki>

== Pilot project in Karnataka (Bangalore) ==

[[Bangalore]]

== ethernet connection might be useful on XO computer ==

I donated via the give one get one program. And I found that it is an amazing little device when I received mine. My only complaint so far except for the childsized keyboard is that I felt sort of ill after spending a few hours a day for a few days using it wirelessly. What I do in my home to avoid getting fried by wifi transmissions is to only use my wireless computers once in a while and most of the time I use my Imac and my desktop PC via superthin ethernet lines 50 feet each(that can fit under carpets). When I realized the wifi on the xo was making me temporarily ill I just stop using it and felt better within a day or two.

So I believe one way to protect children who have access to a router that they can plug into through their classrooms is to provide an ethernet plug-in site on the xo computer. In this way sensitive people like myself won't get ill doing wifi more than an hour or two a day. Learning is a wonderful thing but what good is it if you get leukemia or cancer by wifi-ing too much trying to learn.

: No offense, but it is extremely unlikely that you are able to detect radio waves, let alone be harmed by them. It's much more likely that your temporary illness has another cause, such as working for several hours straight on a machine that is not designed for an adult, or even ''believing'' that wireless computers cause harm. Make no mistake: the human mind is incredibly powerful, and if you believe that something will make you feel nauseous, you will probably start feeling nauseous. The best way to determine if this is what is causing your discomfort is through a carefully controlled double-blind study. But here's a simpler test: When you turn off your wireless computers and start feeling better, is your wireless router still on? It continues to transmit the same wireless frequencies as the computers, even when the computers are off. So if you feel better while the router is still running, your discomfort is probably not related to the wifi. This goes double if you own a cellphone, which puts out even stronger radio signals than the router. (And if you are less comfortable around your router or cellphone after reading this, then the cause is almost certainly psychological.)
: Finally, radio waves do not cause cancer. Sure, if you have a strong enough radio emission close enough, you can warm tissue, and if you warm tissue enough it can cause damage, but this is not the same as causing cancer. The same thing is true of hot baths; it's possible to make a bath so hot that it will kill you. But normal hot baths and normal consumer radio equipment do not heat tissue up enough to do damage (guess which one heats up tissue more?), and neither causes cancer. &mdash;[[User:Leejc|Joe]] 00:56, 25 January 2008 (EST)

== main page redesign? ==
What's the motivation behind the main page redesign? A new design that involves dynamic / daily-updated content would be nice, and there's some great [[User:Jordan_Craw/Main_Page|'''brainstorming on design ideas''']] elsewhere on the wiki, but we should keep news / new things at the top of the page. I'm also not a fan of this use of light blue for navigation bars everywhere down the page -- if we want to do that, they should be a diferent color (we've been reserving that color for the translation headers to date); and I regret using it myself for a single in-page nav earlier this month, in haste. At any rate, I cleaned up this version a bit rather than reverting, pending more discussion. --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font color="fc9" style="font-size:70%">leave me a message</font>]] 01:21, 28 January 2008 (EST)

: Mea Culpa I take the blame, and the light blue is now replaced with green. Same with translation, because the links css (A:link A:hover) are skin dependent. It was impossible to read. There was no talk of redesign on this page, only random thoughts about placement, so I had no way to know about any other organized effort. The page was impossible to read from an XO. Changes consisted of (1) removing distracting thumbs and boxes (2) changing colors (3) reordering sections (4) commenting out old links. Very little actual content was disturbed. [[User:Katie|Katie]] 07:57, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::I just noticed, there is no link to Activities. I think it should be given visibility. [[User:HoboPrimate|HoboPrimate]] 08:21, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::: Doneded [[User:Katie|Katie]] 21:38, 29 January 2008 (EST)

== XO Wins Prestigious wallpaper* Magazine Design Award ==

This year's awards include the "most life enhancing item" category. Have a closer look - http://www.wallpaper.com/technology/

== Enders Game ==

Late last night while I was hammering away at the keyboard on my OLPC I began to think of a book I've read maybe a dozen times or more.
Enders Game, has anyone else read it???
In the book (I won't spoil it to much) they all have 'desks' which are basically tablet pcs.
The OLPC reminds me of them, I know they're not touch screen, but because soon every one will have a computer much like this one, or at least children will. And children will learn to program different 'activities' and hacks, that will exploit the system and send messages to users, or as other users, much like in the book. And in the book, it shows how the lessons from the 'desks' help them solve problems later in their lives.
It's pretty cool, how quickly technology is moving :)
Just wanted to share, qwerty
: Thanks for the reminder :) --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 13:12, 3 February 2008 (EST)

: And if you liked that, you'll love Neal Stephenson's ''The Diamond Age''. ;) &mdash;[[User:Leejc|Joe]] 21:26, 4 February 2008 (EST)

== How do I buy one of these? ==

I was woundering How I could buy one of these for my children? Could you please let me know...... Thank's Mandy Gonse {{unsignedIP|69.21.10.86|08:01, February 5, 2008}}
:You can't, at least not from OLPC. The laptops are for the developing world. However, you can buy them on [http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=olpc&category0= ebay]. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 12:00, 5 February 2008 (EST)


This ship is sinking, on Ebay these things are going for $500+ USED, so Mr. Negraponte is a terrible leader for this effort, he could have sold a boat load of these to 1st world and subsidized the 3rd world .. but he has screwed them both!

There is no way to buy them at $186/each .. this is pathetic outcome for a "not for profit" effort .. seems to be running fast to "for loss" enterprise.
:Yes, if you buy them in bulk for the third world. Nothing you say is backed by facts... would be nice to see some. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 20:08, 8 February 2008 (EST)

== RMS on OLPC ==

This news item from the [[OLPC Nepal]] blog just hit the front of Slashdot ... may be worthy to mention in news (or frontpage?). Also would be nice to hear any status updates on the subject of creating open [[Libertas]] firmware... ( http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/46 / [[Marvell microkernel]] )
*http://olpcnepal.blogspot.com/2008/02/richard-stallman-on-olpc-laptop.html
:&mdash;[[User:Hobart|Hobart]] 10:04, 6 February 2008 (EST)

== xo children contributing to wiki ==

Are there any areas of this wiki where children who own xo laptops are actively contributing? If not, then something is wrong. I think as part of the ''children teaching themselves'' philosophy, this wiki needs to encourage the kids to be writing the faqs and user manuals to help other kids learn how to use their xos. Really, this wiki, or another, should be ''their wiki'' to build up and stretch the laptop as far as it will go. Us first worlders can participate and help but as much as possible stay out of the way. Is there any effort in place to direct xo kids to the wiki? [[User:Ike9898|Ike9898]] 21:17, 9 February 2008 (EST)
:Yes, it is linked from the home page of the laptop. This wiki is for informational use, and since ''almost none'' of the children speak or write in english, it is unlikely that us english speakers will see most of their edits. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 22:20, 9 February 2008 (EST)
::OK, considering that, is there yet any evidence of xo kids contributing to the wiki in other languages (I only speak English)? [[User:Ike9898|Ike9898]] 09:54, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== Weather Station / Remote Measurement using USB Port on XO OLPC ==

Design of a USB port based data acquisition system for the OLPC project.

I work with single chip computers on a daily basis. These tiny $5 or less computers can be designed into simple circuits for monitoring weather sensors such as wind speed & direction indicators. There are two possible designs and I would be interested in receiving a few comments and votes on the best design. soutar@uvic.ca

Design One
The microcontroller I am proposing is the Microchip PIC16F690 (cost = $1), which has a half dozen analog inputs as well as digital inputs for receiving weather sensor data. It would interface to a serial port which can easily be created on the XO computer by plugging in a cheap USB to RS-232 adaptor. I will be submitting the firmware code to burn into the chip, the circuit board parts and layout and the XO interface program to store the data.

Design Two
This would use a slightly higher end chip from Microchip (PIC 18F4550) that will carry out USB communication directly. The USB data appears to the host XO computer be coming via RS-232 and thus software for Design One on the XO could talk to Design Two as well. The main difference in Design Two is simply that a USB to RS-232 adaptor is not required. However the chip and crystal required plus the extra cost of the microcontroller with USB included will increase the price for the components by about the same price over Design One as buying the USB to serial converter device.

For educational reasons Design One may be the better approach, since the code required for Design two is much greater and the tools required would not allow a student to carry out the design of a working model using only the XO computer.


All details would be available for building weather monitoring stations or other remote monitoring stations using the XO computer. It should be noted that the computer side programs will be built using the Python design language, which the children will be learning.


Submitted by Ian Soutar
http://www.microsec.net


== The Market is Ready ==

Hello everyone! OLPC needs to be made successful! Let's do it by allowing EVERYONE and not just third world government officials to get their hands on theses laptops! My hope is that some US company will make sell equivalent laptops for a dollar cheaper and then sell them on the free market to everybody...

Why not make OLPC a success? Sell them to everyone and have a donation page. I would certainly donate one if I could have one for myself. ''Anonymous comment

== Some Troubling Issues ==

Is OLPC a technology project or an education project? Quite simply, its a technology project. Where is the educational part? How are kids going to learn from these computers and where is the foreign language support? Do you have a word-processor program? If not, the program will fall flat on its face.

:Um, have you read this Wiki? Specifically the pages on [[Constructionism]] in Education, [[Collaborative discovery]], [[Localization]], [[Activities]] (including [[Write]]), and [[Content]]?--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 15:26, 25 February 2008 (EST)

== Wiki translation ==

I can't find any information for people getting started on Wiki translations. It should either be on this page, or be linked from here. I also want to be able to link to it from [[Localization]].

Not that it's difficult, but it would be helpful to have some advice on structure, for example. I see language links on Wiki pages in quite different formats, either in the languages, or using two-letter language codes. It would also be helpful to have a common template-based method for contacting people involved in translating Wiki pages to a particular language, something more systematic than reading all of the history pages for all of the different Wiki pages.--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 15:23, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Latest revision as of 20:24, 11 April 2022

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LiveCD in Latest releases out of date

Hello. In the "Latest Releases" box, the link to the LiveCD must be updated. It still refer to Build 385, while a recent version is available (ftp://rohrmoser-engineerinit is probably the most useful link over there, and at first this was going to be a gripe about it going away entirely, but then I realized someone had just mis-categorized it (IMHO). You can lose the Random Page link for all I care (as SJ has observed , it's more or less a ticket to an XO Korea page anyway. Cjl 15:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm torn about where to put it. It is both about the project -- a way to see its current activity -- and of course about the wiki. It was moved because it was 'below the fold' on most monitors. I'm open to other suggeestions. And I still find randompages useful; olpc korea is only ~15% of the site :) --Sj talk 13:37, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
There is enough real estate "below the fold" to have a second copy of the link under OLPC wiki. I'm not the only one asking. See FGrose comment elsewhwere. Cjl 18:30, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Add Machine Translation

I would like to add the GoogleTrans-en template to the Main page. In spite of the worthy efforts of many translators in many languages, the number of edits to this page are more than any handful of humans can keep up with. By adding this template it will allow users the option of accessing a translation of this pageGoogleTranslation in one of 22 languages, they will have access to "good enough" translation of more current content. Furthermore, the Google translation frame will allow them to navigate the rest of the wiki from this entry point with translation turned on, if they so choose. See for example my User:page User:Cjl, select any language and then navigate off the page by any of the links while the Google translation frame is active. It is also simple to dismiss the translation frame and switch back to the original verison of the page.

The argument against relying solely on human translations. I reviewed the other lang-xx versions of this page (certainly one of the most translated and updated pages) and recorded the most recent version number from the translation template. Clearly many of these are cases of the version number not being kept up to date (a challenge in itself), but on the other hand, history shows many of these pages have not had substantial revisions for months and months. No matter how much you might prefer a human translation, you must admit that at present, the community of lang-xx translators cannot keep pace with the larger community of lang-en editors. We should not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Cjl 22:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT) 

Version lang
130711	en
 33113	ar
 76798	bg
 33477	de
 75214	es
 37382	fr
 54129	it
 99961	ko
 68032	no
 81739	pt
 33477	ro
102681	ru
 60725	zh
 60725	zh-TW
please remind me why this is better than the translation links in the skin... placement? --Sj talk 06:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Moved comment from 200.101.90.215

Looks horrible on IE6 * Please fix *

noted! --Sj talk

"How to update" links to old page!

"How to update" link on Main page (in box) links to a page saying there is a newer version of this page available (?!) 76.243.220.21 02:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

New main page design

We need a total redesign of the page. Mel and Seth and others have been saying the same thing for a while... so let's actually design a new model and implement it. I'd like to see something like the catalan wp main page : with small colorful in-page tabs, a highly summarized and limited set of information in short paragraphs and bullet points, each linking to details elsewhere on the wiki, and a set of alternative page views including a static html view, for usability.

Each of the sections of the main page is another target for maintenance -- people interested in one area of news or another, in feeds or images or media, can keep that part of the main apge up to date without worrying about the currency of the rest of it; and without interlacing the overall page history with the section history. Now we only need to get the Design gang involved...24.61.14.99 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

But the new main page design is barren and still static. It needs love! I still like the wikitravel and wikieducator homepages best... along with the catalan Wikipedia. --Sj talk 21:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Participation

The menu on the left should include a link to the Participate page. It could perhaps replace several of the more specific topics there.--Mokurai 19:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

UBUNTU

How about, let us easily install ubuntu?

I just wrote a howto for Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). It is a slightly involved, but fairly straightforward process. :] It would be nice if someone figured out what changes the stock Ubuntu kernel needs in order to work. --Maxxflow 19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Concise mission improvement

How about, improving concise mission? As a member of the indigenous Australian community I am very offended with the amount of racism that is going on here.
People may be blind to their own racism. Feel free to edit in non-racist language. --FGrose 01:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

New discussions moved to the Cafe

See OLPC:Cafe for more. --Sj talk

Helping with this wiki

I would like to help out maintaining this wiki, however a lot of pages are locked from editing for me. Is there some solution for this? e.g. can somebody give me admin status? It is mostly wikilinks fixing what I want to do, but this wiki suffers from bad linking quite a lot.--Kozuch 21:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds great. You've made one edit already. Keep going. For things you can't edit, mention them to those who can. Once the trust develops, and the load increases, we will probably increase your access. --Quozl 22:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Watchlist feeds

Hi there,

what about upgrading MediaWiki in order to have watchlists accessible via RSS/ATOM feeds as for instance Wikipedia or OSM Wiki have? It would help me a lot in watching this site.--Kozuch 08:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Any news here?--Kozuch 12:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
There are these links in Sidebar Toolbox section for the Related changes page, RSS and atom,
and similar ones on the Recent changes page for the wiki (reach it from the Sidebar, About OLPC). --FGrose 16:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Humbly Opine

Regarding the concern expressed by some colleagues that 3,000 laptops is less than a rain drop in an ocean, I would humbly opine that once we successfully deploy the initial 3,000 we can can then shoot for a million laptops, for then the sky will be the limit. Don't you reckon? -- Larry.

Which colleagues? Where is the concern expressed? I can't see the context of your anonymous response. --Quozl 01:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see, you are commenting about the page Collaborative_GrantProposal. Please put comments about that page on the talk page of that page. See Talk:Collaborative_GrantProposal That page and others should also move to be under a project, to avoid confusion. --Quozl 01:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Please not only "black kids with XO's on the front page also pics with "white kids". Making stand out more that the XO-XServer combination is the best laptop out there, also for rich kids

Imho one of the reasons OLPC takes such a long time to catch on in developed countries, is that there's too many pics of poor black, asian, lating american kids associated with it. This is misleading many people into thinking that this is a poor kids laptop/initiative and for sure the laptop is not something that's good enough for kids in "normal"/"rich" countries. Therefore I'd like to propose to switch the wording of the mission around. Now it reads: "The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's most isolated and poorest children by giving each child a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning." but watch this: "The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's children by giving each child the best rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop configuration - the XO and XServer combination; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning. At OLPC, we will focus on the most isolated and poorest kids and we assume the regions that are well structured and rich enough, to auto-organize themselves in developing capacity, demo-projects and full-scale deployments." Pls vote this latter to the top.--SvenAERTS 23:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

OLPC Tablet

Discussion of hardware and software of the tablet is noticeably absent from this wiki. Questions parallel those pertaining to the laptop. How is the case built? Glued or welded together? Can the battery be replaced? Anyone succeeded in upgrading the Android system or installing another system. Anyone outside Vivitar developing software? Silence is imposed by Vivitar? Merely from the tablet being new?

Regards, ... Peter E, Peasthope 15:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

You are the first person to ask these questions here, which probably means that the interest is nil apart from you. The documentation for Android tablets can be found elsewhere on the internet. It would be unnecessary and would lead to errors if we were to duplicate the documentation for Android. We would also incur a huge load from people looking for Android documentation for products we don't sell. You can find our XO-4 Android documentation, specific to the XO-4, on the page Android. --Quozl 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
OK thanks. Being first isn't necessarily bad. Given that there is some interest in maintaining the laptops, a similar interest is likely to develop for the tablets as more of them come into use and failures occur. If laptop.org can spare a place for discussion, good. Other possibilities exist. Regarding software, I wonder how the system starts. A Forth PROM? A PC BIOS accessible to the user? Proprietary firmware? I can buy one and explore but documentation wouldn't hurt. Regards, ... Peasthope 15:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. For the XO laptop, we led the hardware and firmware design process, so our documentation is rich and extensive. But for the tablet, we had no involvement in the hardware and firmware design process, so we don't have documentation to the same extent. We can and do create documentation where the costs of doing so can be offset against a bulk purchase. You'd need to be buying thousands before we could get involved to that extent. If you wish to create documentation, then research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field. There's no real need to buy one of our tablets to do this, any Android tablets of the same technology era would be sufficient. --Quozl 01:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
"... our documentation is rich and extensive."
Certainly I appreciate that. XOs have a strong claim to be the best laptops ever built. Thanks!
At least some contributions to wiki.lapttop.org have been made voluntarily by users with no formal connection to OLPC. Therefore if a page in wiki.laptop.org were allowed for the tablet, voluntary contributions are possible. A tablet FAQ page for example. It wouldn't have to burden OLPC staff excessively.
"... research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field."
I imagined very elementary questions such as these.
Is the screen legible in reflected light?
What is a typical usage time before battery recharge?
Can the battery be replaced?
Regards, ... Peter E., Peasthope 17:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
So you're asking me to allow or bless a page you haven't created yet. A page with questions that I'm not empowered to answer, that you call elementary, and that you don't have the answers for. I don't see the sense in that. Who will benefit? Apparently only you, and only for your curiosity. Who will be harmed? It would seem to be a cost and risk to OLPC. So I cannot allow. Tablets are an off-the-shelf generic product, or their specifications are negotiated in a bulk order. They sell for as little as $18 close to point of manufacture in China. There's just not the margin to support a documentation ecosystem for them. --Quozl 20:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Password for login at wiki.laptop.org

Hi,
As of 2022-04-10, is password change allowed? If so, what are the requirements for a new password? Number of characters, upper/lower case, numerals & etc. Thx, ... Peasthope (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

Hope so. At least eight characters. Further guidance will be given by the software, which is MediaWiki. --Quozl (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
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