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'''discuss "foreign" [[language methods|language "instruction"]] theories and actual practices.. find "facts" useful to create strong tools for language learners using the OLPC 2B1'''
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=theory=
if delyric trademark is perceived as inappropriate spam
list theories possibly useful to
please note: both delyric and twext are intended for ownership
language learners using the OLPC 2B1
by members, with terms being unusually inclusive..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/language_methods
http://twext.cc/member/owner.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicative_language_teaching

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/language_education
both delyric and twext are intended to be managed by members
of a soon to incorporate READ, INC.
==krashen==

opinion: discussion on language
the purpose of READ, INC. is simple
learning using the OLPC 2B1 might start
1. create opportunities in language learning
with the research of Stephen Krashen..
2. invest, increasingly, in literacy programs
"growing literacy grows our market"
LANGUAGE ACQUISTION

The distinction between acquiring and learning
the idea is to enable an agreeable system that
was made by Stephen Krashen (1982). According to
participants can use to learn and to earn,
Krashen, the acquisition of a language is a
with ultimate aim to make illiteracy history
natural process; whereas learning a language is

a conscious one.. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language#Theories_of_second_language_acquisition_.28SLA.29 second language acquisition]
==This page is incomprehensible==
This page is incoherent rambling. It uses made-up words to refer to ordinary everyday concepts which can be just as well explained in PLAIN ENGLISH.
===affective filter===

Experiments demonstrated that learners do not
It seems reasonable to have a page on language learning methods but this one sucks.
learn well when they are affected by negative

feelings such as boredom, anxiety or low self-esteem.
Please fix it.
According to this hypothesis these negative emotions
activate a filter that prevents efficient processing
of the learning input. The hypothesis is unproven,
yet also unchallenged.. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affective_filter affective filter]
===comprehensible input===
The COMPREHENSIBLE INPUT hypothesis argues that
acquisition takes place when the student is
exposed to meaningful and a variety of input..
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language#Theories_of_second_language_acquisition_.28SLA.29 comprehensible input]
===natural order===
Krashen also proposed the NATURAL ORDER hypothesis
whereby the acquisition of language is in developmental
stages.. basic sounds, vocabulary, negating phrases,
forming questions, using relative clauses, and so on..
similar to the learning stages that babies go through
when acquiring the first language: babbling (bababa),
vocabulary (milk then later milk drink), negation (no play),
question forming (where she go), etc.. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language#Theories_of_second_language_acquisition_.28SLA.29 natural order]
===instructional scaffolding===
language learners must build on their knowledge through
processing language at a level slightly beyond their
ability: 'current competence + 1' (i +1) ] This is also
known as INSTRUCTIONAL SCAFFOLDING[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Krashen ..]
===methods in sync w/ krashen===
krashen does approve of some methods which are
used with success, even in [http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/john_gatto.html testing-obsessed]
classrooms:
====TPR====
"total physical response" is an interactive, kinesthetic
approach uncovered by accident and developed in 1960's by
James Asher.
Students respond to commands that require physical movement.
The method relies on the assumption that when learning a
second or additional language, that language is internalised
through a process of codebreaking similar to first language
development and that the process allows for a long period of
listening and developing comprehension prior to production.
"TPR is based on the premise that the human brain has a
biological program for acquiring any natural language on
earth - including the sign language of the deaf. The process
is visible when we observe how infants internalize their first
language." --James J. Asher, Ph.D.
The child responds physically to the speech of their parent.
The responses of the child are in turn positively reinforced
by the speech of the parent. For many months the child absorbs
the language without being able to speak. It is during this
period that the internalisation and codebreaking occurs. After
this stage the child is able to reproduce the language
spontaneously. With TPR the language teacher tries to mimic
this process in class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPR
http://tpr-world.com/ABC.html
====TPRS====
total physical response storytelling or
teaching proficiency in reading and storytelling
developed by blaine ray and others
1. Introduction of target grammatical structures through
personalized questions and answers directed to individual students,
2. Telling of the main story using a circling technique of asking
questions (resulting in multiple repetitions of the target structures), and
3. Reading stories where the target structures are used in various contexts.
http://blaineraytprs.com/explanationpage.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPRS
opinion: "tprs" moniker may damage an effective
method.. a more apt name may be "storyasking"..
===criticism===
Much of Krashen's model has been criticized, for example,
the vagueness of the model, or the lack of empirical studies.
However, many students and teachers feel the difference
between learning and acquisition.. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language#Theories_of_second_language_acquisition_.28SLA.29 criticism]
===krashen links===
http://sk.com.br/sk-krash.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Krashen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language
=practice=
question: do you know many people who
study "foreign" language for years
without really learning much?
experience: here in mexico, many people
i meet ''hate'' english because the
classes are dull and they don't end up
learning much, or worse:
opinion: many "language methods" end up
teaching people that they are "[http://www.noogenesis.com/malama/discouragement/helplessness.html no good]"
at "foreign" language.. new solutions that
[http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html suck less] might be helpful..
[[User:Duke|Duke]] 12:59, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 05:53, 17 December 2008

discuss "foreign" language "instruction" theories and actual practices.. find "facts" useful to create strong tools for language learners using the OLPC 2B1

theory

list theories possibly useful to 
language learners using the OLPC 2B1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/language_methods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicative_language_teaching
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/language_education

krashen

opinion: discussion on language
learning using the OLPC 2B1 might start 
with the research of Stephen Krashen..

LANGUAGE ACQUISTION 
The distinction between acquiring and learning 
was made by Stephen Krashen (1982). According to 
Krashen, the acquisition of a language is a 
natural process; whereas learning a language is 
a conscious one.. second language acquisition

affective filter

Experiments demonstrated that learners do not 
learn well when they are affected by negative 
feelings such as boredom, anxiety or low self-esteem. 
According to this hypothesis these negative emotions 
activate a filter that prevents efficient processing 
of the learning input. The hypothesis is unproven, 
yet also unchallenged.. affective filter

comprehensible input

The COMPREHENSIBLE INPUT hypothesis argues that 
acquisition takes place when the student is 
exposed to meaningful and a variety of input..  
comprehensible input

natural order

Krashen also proposed the NATURAL ORDER hypothesis 
whereby the acquisition of language is in developmental 
stages.. basic sounds, vocabulary, negating phrases, 
forming questions, using relative clauses, and so on.. 
similar to the learning stages that babies go through 
when acquiring the first language: babbling (bababa), 
vocabulary (milk then later milk drink), negation (no play), 
question forming (where she go), etc.. natural order

instructional scaffolding

language learners must build on their knowledge through 
processing language at a level slightly beyond their 
ability: 'current competence + 1' (i +1) ] This is also
known as INSTRUCTIONAL SCAFFOLDING..

methods in sync w/ krashen

krashen does approve of some methods which are
used with success, even in testing-obsessed 
classrooms:

TPR

"total physical response" is an interactive, kinesthetic 
approach uncovered by accident and developed in 1960's by 
James Asher. 

Students respond to commands that require physical movement. 
The method relies on the assumption that when learning a 
second or additional  language, that language is internalised 
through a process of codebreaking similar to first language 
development and that the process allows for a long period of 
listening and developing comprehension prior to production.

"TPR is based on the premise that the human brain has a 
biological program  for acquiring any natural language on 
earth - including the sign language of the deaf. The process 
is visible when we observe how infants internalize their first 
language." --James J. Asher, Ph.D.

The child responds physically to the speech of their parent. 
The  responses of the child are in turn positively reinforced 
by the speech of the parent. For many months the child absorbs 
the language without being  able to speak. It is during this 
period that the internalisation and codebreaking occurs. After 
this stage the child is able to reproduce the language 
spontaneously. With TPR the language teacher tries to mimic 
this process in class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPR
http://tpr-world.com/ABC.html

TPRS

total physical response storytelling or
teaching proficiency in reading and storytelling
developed by blaine ray and others

1. Introduction of target grammatical structures through 
personalized questions and answers directed to individual students,
2. Telling of the main story using a circling technique of asking
questions (resulting in multiple repetitions of the target structures), and
3. Reading stories where the target structures are used in various contexts.
http://blaineraytprs.com/explanationpage.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPRS

opinion: "tprs" moniker may damage an effective 
method.. a more apt name may be "storyasking"..

criticism

Much of Krashen's model has been criticized, for example, 
the vagueness of the model, or the lack of empirical studies. 
However, many students  and teachers feel the difference 
between learning and acquisition.. criticism

krashen links

http://sk.com.br/sk-krash.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Krashen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_language

practice

question: do you know many people who 
study "foreign" language for years 
without really learning much?

experience: here in mexico, many people 
i meet hate english because the 
classes are dull and they don't end up
learning much, or worse:

opinion: many "language methods" end up
teaching people that they are "no good" 
at "foreign" language.. new solutions that
suck less might be helpful..

Duke 12:59, 24 October 2006 (EDT)