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Hello there, we could definitely make a new-translation template. It doesn't exist yet; only the template fr the nav header does... --Sj talk 08:44, 25 February 2008 (EST)

So noted :) At any rate, we are /not/ using a new template at the moment, so there is no simple way to add categorization to all the translation pages. We could change things so that they are in the template own namespace, and not the main namespace, however, which might clean things up more precisely (see special:allpages for a breakdown by namespace). --Sj talk 10:34, 26 February 2008 (EST)

ZdenekBroz and slices

See user:ZdenekBroz. --Sj talk 17:33, 28 February 2008 (EST)

for Wikiosity, see Wikiosity... --Sj talk 11:58, 5 March 2008 (EST)


Hi Cjl. Thanks for the comment. I linked to the OLPC HIV page from my site now, and I hope to fill it out as I develop the curriculum I'd like to use for the intervention more. I welcome any comments you have about my beginning ideas. --Jumpbean 22:53, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Food Force

Thanks for the note! I'd love to join the project. How can I help? Mika 10:36, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Recent updates

Nice review of the deployment guide. What are your thoughts on Food Force 2? --Sj talk 14:42, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

I've never played it, but I like the idea. On the wiki I've seen what looks like serious activity by the XO-porting effort and I'm 100% supportive, if unable to offer anything besides linking them to cat:Health. It obviously blends nicely with the Animals/Health concept. I did drop a link on the Nutrition page for the Feeding Minds, Fighting Hunger curriculum materials, which, it seems, are intended to go hand-in-hand with Food Force. I think you could pull together a great bundle (game & lesson plans) quickly if the XO port is nearing readiness. Cjl 15:05, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Re: Vandalism

The fastest way to get an admin to fix things, I think, is to ask on the #olpc IRC channel. You should definitely go there if you want to stop a large, in-progress vandalism. I have no problem with you posting requests on my Talk page, though. Vandalism on pages ending with "index.php" seem to be the result of a badly programmed botnet; nothing really links to these pages, so the damage is (currently) marginal, but it's not a bad idea to get these users banned and pages deleted, just to keep things tidy. Thanks, —Joe 19:56, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, again! —Joe 01:34, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, again! I do have the vandalism page on my watchlist, but posting on my talk page remains a faster and more reliable way to get my attention. I'm not sure how many other admins are currently checking for vandalism, as it is not as frequent as it was a couple months ago. Thanks, —Joe 15:08, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi Chris

I'm newer to wikis than to XO's! Thanks for the links. I don't really the USB-to-thernet myself. I'm trying to put together a guide to getting set up, since I keep seeing similar questions popping up in online forums, and the advice in forum threads gets messy. I'd rather just point someone to a page. I'll have to see about connecting the AZolks. There actually is already a user's group going, not sure if the page just needs updating or if the page creator doesn't know about the group.

I spend much of my XO-time at OLPCNews. Timothy

Hi Chris- I've moved most stuff off of my user page and onto User:Tdang/XO_Setup. I figure if I can encourage folks to do similar, there will be good examples for newbies to follow setting up, plus I'll get the satisfaction of virtually looking over shoulders at what others like to do. The ne wpage is likely too thick, still, but I think it's OK for now. Thanks for the feedback. Tdang 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
Re: Etiquette-Thanks for the info! For the main space, that makes good sense. For the user space, any of those solutions seems awkward, but what the hell. I'll cope. (And this time around I'm posting it on both our talk pages.) Tdang 09:33, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

re: wiki structure of game jam brasil wiki

Hi Chris

There is no problem moving from _2008 to /2008, I can do it today later! Faga 16:37, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

EDIT: I think is everything right now, I moved the last wrong page, thank you! Faga 19:31, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Uruguay deployment update page changed

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your suggestion to make a change to the Uruguay deployment update page.

I changed it to Uruguay Deployment Update, created a new page with that name and pasted the text there. In retrospect I should have used the "move" tab :-( Do you know how to remove the Deployment Update page?

Kill it if you know how.

I removed the text but it looks like the page lives on. Not urgent just trying to clean up after myself.


Greg S

Hi Chris,

You seem like a wiki pro!

I am trying to build and improve the Uruguay page in conjunction with some folks from Montevideo (mostly Pablo Flores).

Its at:

If you have any comments or suggestions on how we can better organize the site please let me know or just go ahead and do it.

Do you have any suggestion on how we can easily have an english and spanish version of every page? I think I have seen that link on other pages but not sure how to get it done. Any tips apprceciated(a link and RTFM is OK too :-)


Greg S

Gregorio 12:25, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Mucho gusto. . . I'm happy to try to help get you pointed in the right direction, but I must be clear that I'm no wiki expert (started here in Jan '08), but I'm trying to learn and I'm a quick study.
As for RTFM or is it RTFWiki :-), here are some pages to start with.
Translating, Translating/HowTo, Template:Translation.
Getting the translation thing right definitely requires some knowledge of the proper use of templates, and I'm not an expert there. It might be best to post a similar question to User_talk:Xavi. Special:Contributions/Xavi shows a lot of work on translation issues. Maybe also User_talk:Homunq who looks like something of a template expert or User_talk:Dupuy. I think any of them would be better able to help you. I will take look at your pages when I have a chance to see if there are any suggestions I can offer, but for the translation process, I'm probably not your expert.
Cjl 12:47, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Old wiki page cleanup

I'm fine with deleting the enduser notes page, but I'm not sure how to tag a page with a template, so can you tell me or show me how? Thanks! annegentle 12:37, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

thanks Aymara

Thanks for opening a page for Aymara - still getting things sorted out and don't really know how to answers and... anyway. Maybe you can give me a hand with this request, at the bottom of the Help page? Also, the countries banner in the Bolivia page does not show Bolivia. I tried everything but no dice. I just know enough to be dangerous... Yamaplos 15:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

I'll make a few edits to move the translation set-up to a place where it is easier to proceed. I find it very confusing too. Cjl 15:41, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
sorry I was thinking before acting. I should have visited the page you made first, before deciding what to do about it. Sorry, and thank you. I'll go back and fix a couple details. Yamaplos 15:49, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

keyboard layouts

please feel free to ping me anytime on IRC/email regarding keyboard layouts and/or related issues. A lot of work for a few layouts is in progress/fluid so , the wiki pages sometimes dont have all the complete information. I will try my best to answer all questions with regard to the kayboard layout areas that I've been involved in. thanks. --Arjs 23:19, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


You will be interested in this page, Memebrand, I just stumbled upon. --FGrose 23:48, 26 April 2008 (EDT)


I sent a note to WavePlace to see which keyboard they actually used. CharlesMerriam 16:58, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Good idea. My guess is based on Walter's comment Cjl 17:12, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Note that Ed C. is looking for more help with the creole localizations as well.


Hi Cjl, I've nominated you for adminship; please leave a note there below your nomination if you are willing to be an administrator. --Sj talk 05:17, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

When you have a chance, maybe your new rights will let you fix the spelling of 'ideas' on this protected page,, (at [[Hardware idas]]). Thanks for all your efforts. --FGrose 19:39, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

FGrose, your wish has been granted. *poof* Cjl 20:18, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and switch the graphic at the bottom of the page away from "Give One Get One". It seems like a cruel bait and switch. :) CharlesMerriam 01:49, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

With the recent announcement that there is a Round #2 of G1G1 coming up in the fall, I think it will stay that way for now, hopefully the site it links to will be updated to reflect those plans. Cjl 20:18, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I've been nominated, but not yet adminned :-). It's my understanding that it is bad form to campaign for an RfA (and that would include making campaign promises), but it should be acceptable to say that it would be my intent to wield the mop-n-bucket with a light touch in service of wiki usability and accuracy. For instance, while agreeing in principle with deprecated status of G1G1 in the frame, I would probably not take immediate, unilateral action, instead taking it up with someone holding bureaucrat-level priv in search of consensus. I run an IT shop and I've always trained my network/database/desktop admins on the dual principles of a) the distinction between having the "power" to do something and having the "authority" to do something b) "do the right thing" when it needs to get done.

Measure-projects postings

Hi, Bill here. I agree the talk page where I posted the microphone project is a lousy place to put it. I put it there only because, honestly, I don't know how the OLPC folks want to structure these sorts of entries. I have more stuff to post, but I need an "projects" (sub-)structure to work with. Right now, the amplifier etc I posted is lost in the Measure/Projects sub-article. Lemme know, and I'll move the posting. What I'd recommend is, on the Measure page, an index of some sort of these projects, with links. Lemme know how I should approach this. Thanks, Bill Wvbailey 10:16, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Measure-project structure

Hi, Bill here again. I've become bold. But ... One of the mysteries of (and a source of frustration in) dealing with this OLPC wiki, as opposed to Wikipedia, is that there seems to be employees of the OLPC organization that have more "control" than editors such as my self, and I don't want to step on any organizational toes, but I don't want my efforts to go to waste, either. Wikipedia is straight-forward with regards to the hierarchy -- there isn't one; even administrators get reverted. For example, as I noted on the Talk:Measure page below your suggestions, I want to move the "temperature activity" out of the body of the page into its own article. But should I? Do I have to "get permission" or "achieve consensus"? How long should should I wait? The "Activity of the Month" has been there for 3 or 4 months. It's time for it to find its own home. Bill Wvbailey 15:35, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

re: nih syndrome

my perception is it's not so much nih syndrome as it is 'we lack the manpower to reach out on a large scale - at the moment it's highly dependent on other groups coming to us, and we already have enough traffic from that direction to have more coming in that we can handle.' That's my own view, though, and others' opinions may vary. Mchua 01:44, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

Upload images failure

Is it just me or is there an image-upload problem since yesterday? I see you and I both uploaded images yesterday. Lemme know what you know ... Thanks, Bill Wvbailey 12:30, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Just uploaded two images successfully, a third doesn't look like I think it should, but I put that down to my newness with Inkscape, not wiki. Cjl 13:03, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm basically "dead in the water". Yesterday I successfully uploaded to Wikipedia the image I want to upload to here, but I've tried a bunch of different things and nothing has helping -- I get an error message that "the file I'm trying to upload seems to be empty". If you know of someone or somewhere I should go for help, please lemme know (my suspicions are directed at Norton's antivirus). Thanks, Bill

I've been able to upload a couple smaller png files (the larger of two is about 1 megabyte). So the issue something to do with the file size, and maybe png versus jpg -- unlike the jpg files, the png files don't end up with the "empty" message; rather, big png files (e.g. 5 meg files) just seem to "hang" forever. If I determine anything more I'll let you know. Bill Wvbailey 11:18, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations, new admin!

Welcome to the crew.

Mozambique HIV work

Hi Cjl. Thanks very much for your links and recommendations. They look like they will be very useful to the development of the intervention I hope to evaluate there. I've put the OLPC-HIV page on my watch list. I hope that when I begin to develop the program in the near future I can seek your expertise. Best, Jumpbean 23:34, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Localized look and feel

a friend from the Sur crowd wonders if the look/feel of certain wiki pages can be localized (tabs, etc). no idea here, so I'm coming to my favorite localization minded admin. Primary target for messing with that would be, for example, the Sur page Yamaplos 21:05, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't think it's practical conditionally change the language of the Mediawiki:sidebar (left side) or the tabs (top bar). If there is a way to do it I just don't know what it is. However, it is possible to simulate that effect. Go to Sur and try the "testing for Yama" link, it's a bit of a hack, but it sort of works. Cjl22:01, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
yeah, it's sort of painful, but it's AMAZING! It's somewhat shocking that if you follow a link, you don't get the page in English but in Googlspanish! Let's leave the link there, let me let some of the Surers drop by and say what. Thanks!! Yamaplos 22:28, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Thank You!

Chris, thank you for the fantastic collection of links on power generation. I had discovered several of the sites mentioned earlier last week, but my list in not nearly as comprehensive as the one you provided. They'll be a great help to my project. Thank You!


Localized Keyboards

I heartily support your suggestion as a roadmap. Yamaplos 01:24, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

localization of Template:OLPC

I have done an initial version of this, but there are some issues remaining for discussion, so you may not want to dial up the security just yet. Also, you didn't lower protections for Template:Users so I haven't updated that.@alex 16:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for fixing prots on Template:Users - you might also want to semi-protect the translations of these templates as well, I'm not sure. I don't know when I will get to the Users template (the OLPC ones took a while already, and I have to go) but eventually, to be sure. @alex 17:09, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Help! Template on Books seems messed up

Books has some strange artifacts around the icon. No idea how to fix it... Yamaplos 13:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, we'll need to reorganize the whole page someday. Go Dewey?

whoa, thanks for the quick revert.

You're faster on my user talk page than I am. :) Mchua

Yes, please turn on semi-protection on my user (talk) page.

My user page points to my blog which does allow anon. comment (but protects from spam via akismet), so folks will still be able to get in touch with me. Sarah Elkins 13:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Thanks! Sarah Elkins 13:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

user rights review

I was looking through the user rights log and I noticed a few that a bureaucrat should probably review.

Cjl 15:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Can you put all three up for review on OLPC:Administrators ? --Sj talk 22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Cjl: Thanks for noticing my mistakes. I have no stake in how the keyboards are actually laid out; I just needed the English keyboard to be available on a page all by itself. Since you seem to know more about this area, would you mind merging OLPC English Keyboard and OLPC US International Keyboard however seems best to you? (I'm working on a totally different project; namely, trying to learn whether and how the Semantic Mediawiki stuff can be applied to the task of test case management. I wound up modifying the US keyboard pages only because I wanted to explore how SMW could be used to build an i18n & l10n test matrix...) --Michael Stone 00:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning things up. Regarding SemWiki: sadly, I've come to the conclusion that it's not going to do what I want. Is there a decent Relational MediaWiki? --Michael Stone 03:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Query about deletion

23 July 2008

Hello Chris,

Normally I'd send an email about this topic, but there is no clear mechanism to do so showing on my personal page, and since I'm using an XO, page navigation is slow, so I'm disinclined to spend a lot of time looking for a better way.

I don't log on much, once or twice a month. When I logged on today, there was a link telling me I had new messages. When I followed the link, it took me to my talk page which was empty. There was a "user page" tab which I switched to, which gave me the impression that my user account had been deleted because I was a vandal. After a few more browses, I realized my account was intact still, and the "user page" message was apparently about the deletion of some vandalism that occurred on 7/1/2008, which curiously is also the date of my last login. This deletion was apparently done by you.

If I am wrong about any of the above, please correct me.

So the question is: are my contributions unwelcome here? If so why? If not (double negative -> are welcome), the clarity of vandalism correction and reports leaves much to be desired. The "user page" tells me I should probably not edit it, since it has been deleted, yet since I have no access to the content that was deleted, I can hardly tell whether it really was vandalized, or whether you are the vandal (which I doubt, but the possibility exists). Shouldn't a proper wiki history include a trail of both a vandalism and its correction.

Finally, will this ominous and disconcerting "user page" warning ever go away? I've logged out and in again and it is still there. Is this the same as an empty history? Is there any conceivable reason I might want to edit my "user page"?

By the way, in case there is any doubt, I am an engineer, not a vandal. Esemplectic 19:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply posted on User_talk:Esemplectic Cjl 21:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete Just trash that kind of thing. You don't need bother with a timeout.Seth 00:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Astronomy 101

Now that I've reorganized the StarChart code so that the constellation figures data is a separate file, it's possible for someone to take the constellation table and combine it with some fairly simple plotting routines to create a "Constellations Flash-Cards" activity. This would display a constellation figure and a multiple-choice list of constellation names. The child would attempt to pick the correct name for the constellation.

After some number of incorrect attempts (maybe 2 wrong tries out of five possible choices), the activity would show the correct name.

An advanced version of this might for example also give the names of the brightest of the stars in the constellation.

I'd do this myself, but I'm still a novice at Python and I don't yet know how to detect mouse clicks on the XO. Davewa 18:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

NYOF in Nepal

CJL, thanks for the link to NYOF in Nepal. I have actually known Som Paneru for almost 18 months. We would like to work together but right now Som is extremely busy w/ a different project.

thanks for the counter-vandalism tips

cjl, thanks for the info. I've never blocked someone before, so I wasn't sure how long the block should be in effect. I actually stared at that line in the form for a good couple o' minutes before deciding to err on the side of caution ;-) But now I'll know what to do next time. Thanks! AuntiMame 11:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's a tip for you :-) -- when reverting a vandal's edits, check to see whether the last edit it reverts to is also by an anon or a newbie / red-userpage user. If so, check the history to see if the previous edit also looks like vandalism... in which case you'll need to select the last good-looking rev by hand, edit that old rev, and save it. --Sj talk 07:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
When you are doing 250 rollbacks in 1.5 hrs sometimes you miss the niceties. cjl 07:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't I know it. Speaking of which, I upped the "newbie" requirements a bit to make sneaky move vandalism harder to start. --Sj talk 09:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

nom for bureaucrat

As if you need more paperwork :-) I've nominated you for bureaucracy, I hope you'll accept. --Sj talk 00:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Support wholeheartedly, Yamaplos 18:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on your new flag and paperwork duties... perhaps we need an OLPC:Bureaucrats page to describe what [b] means to our wiki. --Sj talk 19:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Mouse Click Event

You said "Have you tried dropping by #sugar on freenode and asking about the mouse-click event problem you are having?". What's "freenode"?

I did post a question on the OLPC News Developer Q&A forum (but those questions usually go unanswered -- I don't think there are many Python / PyGTK programmers watching that). I tried code virtually identical to what's in Bounce, but it appears that something is intercepting the mouse events before I can see them.

My GUI consists of a class derived from gtk.DrawingArea contained in a gtk.ScrolledWindow which is the target of the Activity's set_canvas() call. Neither the DrawingArea nor the ScrolledWindow seems to see the mouse click. So I theorize that the Activity has taken my Scroller and put it into something else, but I don't know how to obtain a reference to that object.


Thanks! I'll wield my turbocharged mop and bucket with pride, and keep an eye out for account request tickets (should probably just put a weekly scan of RT on my calendar). Mchua 05:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

vandalism on page "Sugar"

There were two successive changes applied today. I'm not a sufficiently powerful wizard to be able to revert the page correctly. The offending user was

FoodForce2 Localization

Hey, I am very much interested in doing the localization work. It would be great if you could give us some pointers regarding the same. Also, there is an issue, we were planning to have the dialogues in the game to be read out, by using espeak, in fact we already have a working code for that. Do you have any idea if one can use espeak in different languages, or should we scrap that feature. MohitTaneja 09:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for cleaning up yesterday! --Sj talk 04:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC) * 01:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

protecting blank pages

you can now protect nonexistent pages. so instead of using the vandalmagnet template, you can just 'protect' a page after deleting it. Cheers, --Sj talk 00:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanx cjl 01:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

General vandpatrol

I made two changes to make new page spam harder. New page creation triggers a captcha, and I turned off simpleforms. If anyone wants the forms back, let me know; I want to confirm that the combination stops what we've been seeing so far. I think SF has been letting blocked IPs use the forms API to get around both blocks and captchas. --Sj talk 13:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the technical adjsutments. I'll continue to watch Recent Edits closely, but I would be most grateful not to spend so much time on countervandalism that can be handled by technical means. cjl 14:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Another update to improve abuse filtering. most page moves will also create new pages, which should now trigger confedit. --Sj talk 13:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the same one, no? --Sj talk


You'll be interested to see the unusually specific health report mentioned at the end of the new Reviews of OLPC page. Please add any more that you know of. --Sj talk 07:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I just out-linked those references to the articles themselves. cjl 04:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


I Added wgratelimit limits. Keeping an eye out for this bug (only 95% sure it won't affect us). --Sj talk 20:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Cjl, I'm a former OLPC-EU employee in Brussels, preparing a trip to visit my wife's family in Cambodia and to meet the Minister of Education of Cambodia. Saw you on ... do you have any special interest to Cambodia in particular? Can you team-up / coach me? Thx--SvenAERTS 05:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)