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== LiveCD in Latest releases out of date ==
* This page is for the discussion of the [[Main Page]], not for specific questions and comments about the OLPC.
Hello. In the "Latest Releases" box, the link to the LiveCD must be updated. It still refer to Build 385, while a recent version is available (ftp://rohrmoser-engineerinit is probably the most useful link over there, and at first this was going to be a gripe about it going away entirely, but then I realized someone had just mis-categorized it (IMHO). You can lose the [[Special:Random|Random Page]] link for all I care (as SJ has [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=OLPC_talk:Vandalism&diff=127373&oldid=127372| observed] , it's more or less a ticket to an XO Korea page anyway. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 15:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
* If you have questions about the OLPC, please go to the [[OLPC FAQ]]; if you still have a question, please goto the [[Ask OLPC a Question]] page.
: I'm torn about where to put it. It is both about the project -- a way to see its current activity -- and of course about the wiki. It was moved because it was 'below the fold' on most monitors. I'm open to other suggeestions. And I still find randompages useful; olpc korea is only ~15% of the site :) --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 13:37, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
* For questions and comments about specific features, please use the discussion page of the article where that feature is discussed.
::There is enough real estate "below the fold" to have a second copy of the link under OLPC wiki. I'm not the only one asking. See [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar&diff=prev&oldid=127561| FGrose comment] elsewhwere. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 18:30, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
* Please sign all comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
* Please put new text under old text. Click [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=edit&section=new '''here'''] to start a new topic.
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== Add Machine Translation ==
Archives : [[Main Page/Archive 1|2006]]


I would like to add the GoogleTrans-en template to the Main page. In spite of the worthy efforts of many translators in many languages, the number of edits to this page are more than any handful of humans can keep up with. By adding this template it will allow users the option of accessing a translation of this pageGoogleTranslation in one of 22 languages, they will have access to "good enough" translation of more current content. Furthermore, the Google translation frame will allow them to navigate the rest of the wiki from this entry point with translation turned on, if they so choose. See for example my User:page [[User:Cjl]], select any language and then navigate off the page by any of the links while the Google translation frame is active. It is also simple to dismiss the translation frame and switch back to the original verison of the page.
== Stratifying donation ==
I was wondering if when donating, a placard could be placed on the laptops, maybe with some text provided by the philanthropist (if not specified as anonymous). Maybe this breaks the spirit of OLPC, but it may help to bolster donations (for all those who have not mastered the art of altruism). [[User:71.224.60.238|71.224.60.238]] 09:46, 7 December 2007 (EST)


'''The argument against relying solely on human translations.''' I reviewed the other lang-xx versions of this page (certainly one of the most translated and updated pages) and recorded the most recent version number from the translation template. Clearly many of these are cases of the version number not being kept up to date (a challenge in itself), but on the other hand, history shows many of these pages have not had substantial revisions for months and months. No matter how much you might prefer a human translation, you must admit that at present, the community of lang-xx translators cannot keep pace with the larger community of lang-en editors. We should not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. [[User:Cjl|Cjl]] 22:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
== Italian Version ==
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Version lang
130711 en
33113 ar
76798 bg
33477 de
75214 es
37382 fr
54129 it
99961 ko
68032 no
81739 pt
33477 ro
102681 ru
60725 zh
60725 zh-TW
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: please remind me why this is better than the translation links in the skin... placement? --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 06:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


== Moved comment from 200.101.90.215 ==
Added Italian version of the wiki home page. I hope that it could be ok. I'll improve it tomorrow :)


Looks horrible on IE6 * Please fix *
--[[User:Frafra|Frafra]] 01:36, 26 July 2007 (GMT +1)
: noted! --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]]


== "How to update" links to old page! ==
== French Version ==


"How to update" link on Main page (in box) links to a page saying there is a newer version of this page available (?!) [[Special:Contributions/76.243.220.21|76.243.220.21]] 02:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I can offer my help by translating this page into French.
* Is the OLPC team interested ?
* How could I add the link in the translations bar when it's done ?


== New main page design ==
--[[User:EdX|EdX]] 16:38, 8 March 2007 (EST)


We need a total redesign of the page. Mel and Seth and others have been saying the same thing for a while... so let's actually design a new model and implement it. I'd like to see something like [http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portada the catalan wp main page] : with small colorful in-page tabs, a highly summarized and limited set of information in short paragraphs and bullet points, each linking to details elsewhere on the wiki, and a set of alternative page views including a static html view, for usability.
:Ok, I found it alone, to add the link I will edit The OLPC Wiki/translations


Each of the sections of the main page is another target for maintenance -- people interested in one area of news or another, in feeds or images or media, can keep that part of the main apge up to date without worrying about the currency of the rest of it; and without interlacing the overall page history with the section history. Now we only need to get the [[OLPC:Design gang|Design gang]] involved...[[Special:Contributions/24.61.14.99|24.61.14.99]] 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:--[[User:EdX|EdX]] 11:23, 9 March 2007 (EST)
: But the new main page design is barren and still static. It needs love! I still like the [[wikitravel:Main Page|wikitravel]] and [http://wikieducator.org wikieducator] homepages best... along with the [[w:ca:Main Page|catalan Wikipedia]]. --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]] 21:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


== Spanish link ==
== Participation ==
[[http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Un_port%C3%A1til_por_ni%C3%B1o]]
--[[User:Dagoflores|Dagoflores]] 23:42, 16 January 2007 (EST)


The menu on the left should include a link to the Participate page. It could perhaps replace several of the more specific topics there.--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 19:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
== Power options ==


== UBUNTU ==
Walter, I ordered the laptop under the buy one give one program. Will there be an opportunity to change out the battery for a hand crank (or one of the other off the grid options) later? Specifically is the charging upgradeable and changeable once the laptop has shipped? I agree with above commenter that the green cred is seriously diminished without that. I want to be part of the army of change, by using mine at T-mobile enabled public venues where others can experience it first hand. Without the hand crank I am just another desperate idiot trying to find an available outlet before I loose power. Availability of power is not just an issue in third world countries, it's also an issue at/in airports, parks, beaches and planes. With the hand crank/foot pedal/pull cord I would be a walking evangelist for the power of the XO to free all who use it from the tyranny of power outlets. I can see my 4 year old saying "mommy, can my new friend billy pull the cord?" --[[User:ExperimentsInHonesty|ExperimentsInHonesty]] 18:45, 14 November 2007 (EST)


How about, let us easily install ubuntu?
== Languages and countries ==
''for Albania, India, SpanishWiki, see [[/Archive 1]].''


: I just wrote a [[Ubuntu Lucid on OLPC XO|howto for Ubuntu Lucid (10.04)]]. It is a slightly involved, but fairly straightforward process. :] It would be nice if someone figured out what changes the stock Ubuntu kernel needs in order to work. --[[User:Maxxflow|Maxxflow]] 19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
== vetting spatial metaphor in the wiki ==
:Actually, the [[OLPC Human Interface Guidelines]] do such a good job of vetting [[spatial metaphor]] and using it ''only'' to mean real human-navigable space, as is fitting for mobile devices, that it's a shame to have "/go/" in the wiki URLs, "go" and "here" and "site" (all of which imply non-spatial page flipping) in the mediawiki interface. There's a [http://let.sysops.be/mediawiki_gronks relatively good list of all such metaphor and consistency problems in the standard mediawiki interface] and it would be beneficial to follow the lead of the OLPC HIG and remove all spatial metaphor that doesn't imply real motion through real space. The non-English speakers will thank you for it especially.


== Concise mission improvement ==
:Substitutes worth considering: "/get/" instead of "/go/" (as in [[REST]]), "this wiki" instead of "the site", "this page" instead of "here".


: How about, improving concise mission? As a member of the indigenous Australian community I am very offended with the amount of racism that is going on here.
:There's really nothing more important than consistent use of metaphor.
:: People may be blind to their own racism. Feel free to edit in non-racist language. --[[User:FGrose|FGrose]] 01:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


== New discussions moved to the Cafe ==
:Also lowercase is preferred, OLPCwiki is an acceptable name, OlpcWiki is not. WikiWords are a scourge that create endless namespace problems.
See [[OLPC:Cafe]] for more. --[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f70; font-size:70%">talk</font>]]


== Helping with this wiki ==
== First URL link (www.fuseproject.com) nonfunctional ==


I would like to help out maintaining this wiki, however a lot of pages are locked from editing for me. Is there some solution for this? e.g. can somebody give me admin status? It is mostly wikilinks fixing what I want to do, but this wiki suffers from bad linking quite a lot.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 21:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Please '''remove''' the link to http://www.fuseproject.com . It is neither functional with Firefox (1.5.0.4, X11, U) nor with Konqueror (3.5.2). The site immediately wants to open a popup window on Firefox and http://validator.w3.org/ shows 18 errors. This makes the site '''completely inadequate for the first URL given.''' --[[User:Frief|Frief]] 16:22, 8 August 2006 (EDT)


Sounds great. You've made one edit already. Keep going. For things you can't edit, mention them to those who can. Once the trust develops, and the load increases, we will probably increase your access. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 22:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:Your point is well taken. Alas, we don't have any leverage over what these guys do with their website, only the ID they are doing for us on the laptop. That said, I use Firefox 1.5.0.3, and while I don't like the fact that it opens a pop-up window and even though Tidy reports 21 warnings, I can view the site without any problems. I would prefer to err on the side of providing more rather than fewer links to our sources. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:10, 8 August 2006 (EDT)


== Watchlist feeds ==
::My mail to webmaster@fuseproject.com returned (550 User unknown). I cannot get access an imprint, so I don't know whom else to address there. From what I see with wget the site seems to require '''popups''' to be enabled, '''javascript''' to be enabled and '''macromedia shockwave flash''' to be installed and enabled. If OLPC was to specify a policy for URLs I hope that at least two of these prerequisites are not required. Given that the site deviates pointedly from what would be expected by an Open Source audience I would be surprised if the issues could be resolved within, say, three months. --[[User:Frief|Frief]] 19:19, 8 August 2006 (EDT)


Hi there,
== Give One, Get One ==
Q: How do I get a laptop for my kids?


what about upgrading MediaWiki in order to have watchlists accessible via RSS/ATOM feeds as for instance Wikipedia or OSM Wiki have? It would help me a lot in watching this site.--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 08:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
A: North American users can in December 2007. See http://www.xogiving.org/ for details. '''Please refer to [[Ask OLPC a Question about Distribution]] for a better explanation.''' Also, [[Ask OLPC a Question]] for other questions regarding the project.
:Any news here?--[[User:Kozuch|Kozuch]] 12:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:: There are these links in Sidebar Toolbox section for the Related changes page, [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&feed=rss&target=Talk%3AMain_Page RSS] and [http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&feed=atom&target=Talk%3AMain_Page atom],
:: and similar ones on the Recent changes page for the wiki (reach it from the Sidebar, About OLPC). --[[User:FGrose|FGrose]] 16:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


== Humbly Opine ==
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Regarding the concern expressed by some colleagues that 3,000 laptops is less than a rain drop in an ocean, I would humbly opine that once we successfully deploy the initial 3,000 we can can then shoot for a million laptops, for then the sky will be the limit. Don't you reckon? -- Larry.


:Which colleagues? Where is the concern expressed? I can't see the context of your anonymous response. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
== Hard Questions for OLPC ==


::Ah, I see, you are commenting about the page [[Collaborative_GrantProposal]]. Please put comments about that page on the talk page of that page. See [[Talk:Collaborative_GrantProposal]] That page and others should also move to be under a project, to avoid confusion. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
There are a number of issues that need serious consideration in this project:


== Please not only "black kids with XO's on the front page also pics with "white kids". Making stand out more that the XO-XServer combination is the best laptop out there, also for rich kids ==
1) The features being designed are exciting. Given the creative commons approach, one can be assured that these features, as happened with Linux, will appear on systems from multinational corporations to student computers in all schools. The technological advances and advantages will be neutral and accessible to all...
Imho one of the reasons OLPC takes such a long time to catch on in developed countries, is that there's too many pics of poor black, asian, lating american kids associated with it. This is misleading many people into thinking that this is a poor kids laptop/initiative and for sure the laptop is not something that's good enough for kids in "normal"/"rich" countries.
Therefore I'd like to propose to switch the wording of the mission around. Now it reads:
"The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's most isolated and poorest children by giving each child a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning."
but watch this:
"The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's children by giving each child the best rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop configuration - the XO and XServer combination; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning. At OLPC, we will focus on the most isolated and poorest kids and we assume the regions that are well structured and rich enough, to auto-organize themselves in developing capacity, demo-projects and full-scale deployments."
Pls vote this latter to the top.--[[User:SvenAERTS|SvenAERTS]] 23:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


== OLPC Tablet ==
:We are encouraging others to adopt and adapt our ideas.


Discussion of hardware and software of the tablet is noticeably absent from this wiki. Questions parallel those pertaining to the laptop. How is the case built? Glued or welded together? Can the battery be replaced? Anyone succeeded in upgrading the Android system or installing another system. Anyone outside Vivitar developing software? Silence is imposed by Vivitar? Merely from the tablet being new?
2) With the exception of developmental issues needing the size of laptops, the developed world is going small. Think Ipods with movies, MP3, cell phones and PDA's. Think cell phones in remote villages in wired environments. Think about the need to work and learn since one of the major issues for developing worlds is the need for children to contribute substantively to family income. Wearable and small is the trend. Think cost to governments to off set income loss for school age children not working.


Regards, ... Peter E, [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 15:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
:It seems there are two threads here: one having to do with form factor and the other with child labor. In regard to form-factor, it is our premise that a screen of reasonable size and resolution is important to activities such as sustained reading, programming, and visual expression. I am not sure that wearable and small is up to the task. Regarding child labor, I am not sure that the trade off of giving children an opportunity to learn is a bad one.


:You are the first person to ask these questions here, which probably means that the interest is nil apart from you. The documentation for Android tablets can be found elsewhere on the internet. It would be unnecessary and would lead to errors if we were to duplicate the documentation for Android. We would also incur a huge load from people looking for Android documentation for products we don't sell. You can find our XO-4 Android documentation, specific to the XO-4, on the page [[Android]]. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
3) While the aim is for the $100 computer, real costs which will far exceed the cost of the laptop, is the bandwidth. Think about cell companies, cable and satellite companies who give away phones to sell bandwidth and content.


:: OK thanks. Being first isn't necessarily bad. Given that there is some interest in maintaining the laptops, a similar interest is likely to develop for the tablets as more of them come into use and failures occur. If laptop.org can spare a place for discussion, good. Other possibilities exist. Regarding software, I wonder how the system starts. A Forth PROM? A PC BIOS accessible to the user? Proprietary firmware? I can buy one and explore but documentation wouldn't hurt. Regards, ... [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 15:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
:I am not sure I understand the question posed here. The mesh has no additional cost associated with it and it lets the community more efficiently share whatever infrastructure is available, so I don't understand the comment about real costs far exceeding the cost of the laptop. That said, where possible, we are find partners to help defray the cost of connectivity.


:::Thanks for the feedback. For the XO laptop, we led the hardware and firmware design process, so our documentation is rich and extensive. But for the tablet, we had no involvement in the hardware and firmware design process, so we don't have documentation to the same extent. We can and do create documentation where the costs of doing so can be offset against a bulk purchase. You'd need to be buying thousands before we could get involved to that extent. If you wish to create documentation, then research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field. There's no real need to buy one of our tablets to do this, any Android tablets of the same technology era would be sufficient. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 01:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
4) Social impacts are changes in learning from individual to groups. Think smart mobs and mmorpgs. This implies changes in how students receive knowledge and are evaluated causing new paradigms to impact on the cost to revamp the education system.


::::"... our documentation is rich and extensive."
:There is no question but that the education system will change as a generation of children and teachers come to school with different skills and expectations about learning, collaboration,and communication.
::::Certainly I appreciate that. XOs have a strong claim to be the best laptops ever built. Thanks!
::::At least some contributions to wiki.lapttop.org have been made voluntarily by users with no formal connection to OLPC. Therefore if a page in wiki.laptop.org were allowed for the tablet, voluntary contributions are possible. A tablet FAQ page for example. It wouldn't have to burden OLPC staff excessively.
::::"... research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field."
::::I imagined very elementary questions such as these.
::::Is the screen legible in reflected light?
::::What is a typical usage time before battery recharge?
::::Can the battery be replaced?
::::Regards, ... Peter E., [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] 17:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::So you're asking me to allow or bless a page you haven't created yet. A page with questions that I'm not empowered to answer, that you call elementary, and that you don't have the answers for. I don't see the sense in that. Who will benefit? Apparently only you, and only for your curiosity. Who will be harmed? It would seem to be a cost and risk to OLPC. So I cannot allow. Tablets are an off-the-shelf generic product, or their specifications are negotiated in a bulk order. They sell for as little as $18 close to point of manufacture in China. There's just not the margin to support a documentation ecosystem for them. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] 20:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


== Password for login at wiki.laptop.org ==
The question then is "why not just take 1000 computers and do several tests of concepts in the field. The issue is not having the creative technology but understanding the issues that such a deployment will raise within the communities. How about a test in Bangladesh, Guatemala and an English, Spanish or French speaking community in Africa.


Hi,<br>
:We have been doing "tests of concepts in the field" for 30+ years. The challenge is how to scale those experiences, not just replicate them yet again in small pilots. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:56, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
As of 2022-04-10, is password change allowed? If so, what are the requirements for a new password? Number of characters, upper/lower case, numerals & etc. Thx, ... [[User:Peasthope|Peasthope]] ([[User talk:Peasthope|talk]]) 13:18, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

:Hope so. At least eight characters. Further guidance will be given by the software, which is MediaWiki. --[[User:Quozl|Quozl]] ([[User talk:Quozl|talk]]) 16:24, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
tom abeles tabeles@hotmail.com 19 March 2007

==For the children==
I wonder the feasibility of OLPC,if there is no internet,it doesnt help to fill in the digital gap.Besides,For the poor country like China (where I was born),the rural educational expenditures are very limited,and some primary school teachers in the country side only earn 50 US dollars a month and the payments are often fallen behind,you may understand the major problem for the developping country.They just need to invest more money to basic educational infrastructure,not the expensive little machine.--[[User:193.54.193.1|193.54.193.1]] 23:20, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

:Do not be mistaken; though wiki.laptop.org focuses on the machine, the actual project recognizes that this is about the learning, not the technology, and Negroponte and others have been driving the larger issues to that end. --[[User:ScottSwanson|ScottSwanson]] 16:25, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

== Arabic Translation ==

I would like to translate those pages to Arabic. How can I do that?

[[User:Nalrawahi|Nalrawahi]] 14:24, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

: Welcome! Take a look to [[Translating]] and if you then need help, please drop a note! :) --[[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 14:37, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

== Wiki feature request ==

I observe that one can edit without having logged in. Even when one fills in the comment summarizing the import of the edit, there is no clue '''there''' that the history will display your internet address rather than your name, if you have not logged in. It would be better if the attribution about to be recorded showed there. More of us would sign in. But even just a question like '''Have you logged in?''' would often be enough of a reminder for many of us.

: My personal 'hack' was to change my [[Special:Preferences]]... under the <tt>Editing</tt> tab, I have the ''Show preview on first edit'' checked and unchecked the ''Show preview before edit box''. That way, I have some 'visual clue' if I'm logged in or not when editing a page through the position of the edit pane... Cheers, --[[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 12:47, 19 April 2007 (EDT)



== OLPC's spanish translation ==

I am just starting to help the project translating to spanish and I see there are different versions for the acronym OLPC ("una laptop por chico", "un portátil por niño", ...).

Is there an "official" version? I think it is a main issue since the acronym often appears.

: Welcome! :) as for the OLPC term, since I have sort of monopolized the [[:Category:Translations lang-es]], I have (personally) settled for the ''Una Laptop por Chico'' version, basically because the strict abbreviation (ULPC) would be much closer to [[OLPC]]&mdash;instead of ULPN. Somewhere I've posted a small point trying to raise the issue, but no answer came back. Either way, that is something worthile debating and adopting some kind of 'standard'. Another thing to 'debate' is the [[Talk:Translating#El/La Portátil/Laptop|El/La Portátil/Laptop issue]]... Glad you joined! --[[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 13:42, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:: Thanks! :-) You are right: abbreviation ULPC is much closer to OLPC than any other possibility. I do not know whether it works so for the rest of languages. Anyway I will use "Una Laptop por Chico" until there is no official decision about it. Oki? --[[User:imedina|imedina]] 11:30, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

:::Xavier and Iñigo, I admire your devotion to translating the OLPC web site. You are doing a great job. However, I would like to open the discussion again regarding the choice of terms ''chicos'' ''versus'' ''niños''.
:::I agree that ''chicos'' is closer to the OLPC acronym in English, though here are some points to consider using ''niños'':

:::1. We are talking about children from ~ 6 to ~ 16 years old.
:::2. Using ''chicos'' on the website might sound cool to some ears, but if we are consistent it might not sound OK to anybody's ears if we use the term ''chicos'' for technical and educational literature, more formal settings, or even some casual settings. See examples

::::a.- "La Psicología del Chico"
::::b.- Los chicos prefieren aprender jugando...
::::c.- Los chicos y lo maestros aprendieron collaborativamente...
::::d.- Los chicos chiquitos enseñaron a los chicos grandes...
::::e.- El chico es por naturaleza inquieto...

:::3. ''Niños'' is a more exact equivalent of Children, and ''Chicos'' would be more like kid, kiddie, young one, young 'un (because ''Chico'' also means little), tot, tyke, and lad and is more local, regional, dialectal, familiar, and informal. That is to say, it is not the universal way of saying Children in the Spanish speaking world. I must also point out that both ''Chicos'' and ''Niños '' are masculine in Spanish, but can be used to refer to Boys and Girls or Children. There is almost no way out in Spanish other than ''Niñas y Niños'', which you might consider using.

:::4. About the "Laptop" term, I find it OK, since we usually use Hardware and Software without translating it. However, some people or even countries are very much against these kind of borrowings. And the term "''portátil''," is not exclusive for "''computadora portátil''," but for any portable device. I think it will be impossible to obtain everybody's acceptance regarding how to refer to Laptop in Spanish, and of whether its masculine or feminine. However the term ''Niños'' is undeniably universal in the Spanish speaking world.

:::Regards, --[[User:Carla|Carla]] 13:31, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

:::: Points noted :)
:::: (1) "Niño" wouldn't apply in a homogeneous way either within that age bracket.
:::: (2) True, [[spanish]] tends to be more formal sometimes, and "Chico" will not cut it there&mdash;although in more formal settings the term "Infantil" (ie: La Psicología Infantil) would be the chosen term
:::: (3) Yup... I doub't we can come up with a 'universally valid' term... I think the best we can aim for is a 'universally acceptable' one&mdash;which would probably be "Niño": everybody can understand it, although probably not as the first choice.
:::: (4) good point about the 'attribute' of portability, and we agree. Finally, the gender... spanish is plural=masculine unless all individuals are feminine... I wouldn't spend too much time in trying to export the PC-ness of english into spanish.
:::: There are some ideas, or rather a debate-space in [[Translating/Spanish terms]] that hopefully we can use to communicate. Cheers, --[[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 10:46, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

== Open source? ==

"Give me a free and open environment and I will learn and teach with joy."

Is Open Source still a core project commitment in view of recent news? Thanks.--[[User:Shojo|luke]] 12:39, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

*[http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/04/28/0658206.shtml OLPC to Run Windows]
*[http://www.mobilised.com.au/content/view/947/1/ Will corporate greed kill OLPC?]

:Part of being open is being open to all. We are open to Microsoft, or anyone else, developing software for the laptop. That said, OLPC remains steadfast in its commitment to FOSS and, despite what you may have read in the press, we will be shipping Linux on the laptops. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 16:33, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

::Walter, Thanks for your reply. Appreciated. Excerpt from p.2 of the second linked article:- "''Project founder, the former Director of MIT Media Lab, Nicholas Negroponte, has now revealed that the organisation sent early production samples to Microsoft so that Redmond engineers could work out how to squeeze XP onto the diminutive device. Worse still, it is now reported that OLPC engineers have been working with M$ engineers on porting the proprietary operating system onto diminutive machine. And although the OLPC organisation still insists the machine will not ship with Windows pre-installed, it seem inevitable that Microsoft will seek to influence the deployment of computing power in the third world to its advantage."''

::So was there any such cooperation with Microsoft. If so, how does that square with your core commitment? Thanks once again for replying so promptly.--[[User:Shojo|luke]] 16:41, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

:::We may have to agree to disagree. We certainly have not gone out of our way to encourage Microsoft, but we have not tried to stand in their way either. We have answered questions when asked (although, ironically, their policy of not allowing their developers to look at open-source code has slowed their development process--they have had to reinvent a number of wheels). As I said earlier, we believe that being open means being open to everyone. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 17:54, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

::::"<font color="blue">''We may have to agree to disagree''</font>" - I'm just trying to find out what happened....and it seems from what you say that what happened was that OLPC were responding to questions when asked by Microsoft engineers. Take care.--[[User:Shojo|luke]] 22:57, 30 April 2007 (EDT) //p.s. (added 03 May) - OTOH I just noticed this from [http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/04/negroponte_olpc_1.html '''Wired''']:''The One Laptop Per Child's tiny XO computer got an added boost from its maker specifically to enable it to run Microsoft Windows, says the project's founder Nicholas Negroponte. Speaking with Wired News editor Kevin Poulsen over e-mail, Negroponte said that an SD card slot was added to the OLPC machine so it could meet Windows' minimum performance requirements. "The XO always ran Windows... that is why we added the SD slot," he said. Negroponte's comment was in response to Friday's news that the OLPC would hit the market later this year as a Windows-capable device. Even though the machines would ship with the OLPC's Linux-based Sugar user interface installed, the alliance with Microsoft seemed to be out of line with the OLPC project's commitment to open source software.''

::::This will presumably have the effect of adding to the unit cost, as well as the more obvious implications - luke

::::I haven't seen the email and don't know the context, but the first-hand history of why there is an SD-card slot on the machine is: (1) We needed to add an ASIC to improve NAND access; (2) We took this as an opportunity to add a video camera contoller at minimal additional cost; (3) At essentially no additional cost, we added an SD-card slot to give the kids more options re storing their videos (at the time, we were only planning on .5G of on-board NAND. While it is probably a cleaner solution for MS to take advantage of SD rather than USB, there was not and still is not room on-board for Windows and there has been from Day One external expansion capability. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 13:48, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

:::::Thanks for taking the time to reply. Also, I asked Michael Calore a question to try and clarify his position, since his blog entries seem confusing on these matters. e.g. see [http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/04/negroponte_olpc.html this entry] from the Friday, three days earlier. Maybe his tongue is in his cheek, but it doesn't seem to be even slightly amusing.--[[User:Shojo|luke]] 02:30, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

== A "participant wiki" for...participants form various countries? ==

Hello OLPC, I was just wondering:

There is a "Teamwiki" where members who manage the initiative (XO testing, in this case), logon to post details of test-related activities and issues. Thats really a great way to keep OLPC informed about whats going on.

My question is, will there be a "Participantwiki" where teachers and students from each country can share their experience online for OLPC as well as other countries (and their participants) can share the rich, diverse experience too? Such a wiki wouldn't be too different from the Teamwiki except in the sense that it won't be restricted. --Ahmad 09:31, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

: Hello Ahmad -- please consider this the participantwiki; it is both a source for information about the project and a place for everyone to share their experience without restriction, from taking part in the project as a school or student, to mentoring schools and student and creating materials for the project. [[User:Sj|Sj]] [[User talk:Sj|<font color="fc9"><small>talk</small></font>]] 16:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

So whats the deal with the wireless drivers that use the marvel chipset? Are they still closed?


== Looking for a classroom to participate in an XO exchange ==

Hi,

My office is considering an order of 20 XO's for a group of students in our district. Our hope is to partner with a classroom in a developing nation that also uses the XO laptops. We're willing to offer training and support for both classrooms, but need help in finding a classroom to partner with. I've searched a few sites intended for this type of project, but haven't found any XO classrooms. Suggestions?

Thanks [[User:Bjafeman|Bjafeman]] 19:21, 7 December 2007 (EST)

==Translation==
Hi, everyone

I hope to translate SUGAR and other Activities, which, by default, will be provided with XO to children, into Korean. However, I can't find PO files for them. Please let me know where can I find those PO files. ...Sincerely

: What I've found is not the POT (template) but some PO files&mdash;check [[Sugar i18n#Sugar in your language]] it should take you the git tree. Also, you may want to look at [[Customizing NAND images]]. --[[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 21:01, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

== Only one question ==

Will pupils with an OLPC-laptop be able to browse the world wide web and will they be able to use sites like google or wikipedia!? Are there any screenshots with the olpc laptop and a browser??? Which browser do you use (Firefox, IE, anything else)? --[[User:Michael Reschke|Michael Reschke]] 19:39, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

:The browser is based on the same underlying technology that powers the Firefox browser. --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 18:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

::Of course this only works if the school/village has an Internet gateway and the education ministry allows students to access the open Internet and the country allows their Internet users to have access to foreign websites. In most cases you should not expect that the students will have access to the world wide web and will not be able to use sites like Google and wikipedia. Chances are, WWW resources are in a foreign language like English which the kids do not know. And the speed of access will be slow due to limited bandwidth which is due to the high cost of telecommunications in the under-developed countries where many laptops will be deployed. Brazil is a notable exception to this rule since it is relatively wealthy and has the ability to make the bandwidth available if they desire. But even in Brazil, I think they will prefer kids to surf local sites in the local language. If a school or education-ministry or country is willing to foot the bill for wide-area IP internetworking, they will likely want that access to be used to access relatively local educational resources, not random sites in a far-away foreign country like the USA, where people have different (and strange) ideas about how the Internet should be used.

:::Do you have any data to back up your numerous assertions? --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 12:15, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

== May anyone fix the main and the login pages? ==

:*Sidebar on main page isn´t rendering side by news.
:*Information on login page is the same color (white) of background. Then we can read it.
:User.

:What browser/platform are you using? What skin are you using? (Firefox under Linux seems to work fine for the default skin.) --[[User:Walter|Walter]] 18:31, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

:When your browser's cache/cookies are clear the login page always uses the default skin. I've verified that the problem occurs with IE 6 under Windows XP.
:[[User:Marcello D B Semedo|Marcello D B Semedo]] 23:46, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

== Skins ==

Actually, I liked the old skin better. Wikipedia, or monobook, or whatever, is too generic. I know, I can change it for me, that's not the point. [[User:190.56.23.118|190.56.23.118]] 12:31, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

:Where is the OLPC Skin? :-( --[[User:84.153.84.236|84.153.84.236]] 04:32, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

:: To chose a specific skin you go to [[Special:Preferences]] under the 'Skin' tab. The OLPCish looking skin is 'ShikiWiki'. But I think you have to be a registered user. [[User:Xavi|Xavi]] 10:03, 22 August 2007 (EDT)


== Is it possible to buy an XO? ==

I was watching 60 minuts the other day and they clearly state that you can purchase one of these laptops as long as you donate another 100$ to buy one of the needy kids one...wich is understandable...but according to the hundreds of sites that ive been to there is no way to get your hands on one....i am disapointed...and confused.. were can i buy one... if its possible anyway....[[www.onelaptopperchild.com]]

:US and Canada citizens will now be able to acquire one under the G1G1 (Give 1, Get 1) program in November for two weeks only. Check out http://www.xogiving.org/ for details. -- [[User:ScottSwanson|ScottSwanson]] 12:34, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

== Distribution of Computers ==

I had heard about this project some time back, but my interest was renewed yesterday when I heard a story on NPR. But the real reason the story got my attention is because I am preparing to work on a project to equip a computer lab in a school in Nagpur, India. I am a member of the Rotary Club of Miami, Florida and through an intermediary received a request from the Rotary Club of Nagpur Ishanya, India to help them with this project. We will be doing this on a volunteer basis using our own funds. If we can get the computers for $200/unit, needless to say more students will have access to computers.

While I am only working on equiping one school in India, I thought about the potential of using the network of 1.2 million members worldwide in over 32,000 clubs established in more than 200 countries. It may be advantageous for OLPC to work with Rotary International [www.rotary.org] to distribute these computers to the children of the world.

Most developing countries do not have the resources to buy computers and if given the choice between providing food, potable water or medicine--a computer and education will always be at the bottom of their list. In 1988 Rotary International [http://www.rotary.org/foundation/polioplus/index.html] had a vision of a world without polio. We did not ask the governments to fund it. We did not ask governments to do the work. We just asked them to allow Rotary to help their people--most countries did.

It has taken almost 20 years and about $600M; tens of thousands of Rotarians partnered with their national ministries of health, UNICEF, the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and with health providers at the grassroots level in thousands of communities to vaccinate every child in every nation. At this point with a few exceptions Polio is almost wiped out.

In my opinion, a better vehicle to distribute these computers to the children of the world would be through a partnership with Rotary International. Volunteers and private funding has a much better record of meeting people's needs than through governments that often displace the support given to help their people.

:You can buy machines at around $300 per unit in quantities of around 100, falling to $250 for 1000, falling to $200 for giant quantities. Look on olpcgiving.org for the 800 number for the Give Many program. I suggest that Rotary International should get together an order of at least 1000 computers - your club could give to India, you could talk to Palo Alto,CA club about giving to a library in the Yucatan, etc. 20 clubs giving 50 coumputers. If it worked out, you could look at scaling that up into the tens of thousands it would take to really saturate a target province / population. You should also make sure that the OS exists in your target languages first.

:ps. Re goverment priorities: Here in Guatemala, there was recently a doctor's strike because the government had stopped buying medicine, whereas it would be unthinkable for them to stop paying teachers (a month or two late as always). Education is a real priority everywhere (which is not the same as saying that it is effective or well-funded, just that there is some money there).

== OLPC/Curriki in Mexico ==

In our school, EGAP [ http://cmpublish.itesm.mx/wps/portal/egap ], we have been thinking about how we can integrate Mexico in the OLPC project. This letter presents to you our proposal, which is open to changes according to your suggestions.We are a multidisciplinary group of students (bios in attached document) who want to generate content for the XO in Spanish. After doing web based research we found Curriki as the best option to introduce us in the production of educational content with open source standards. Thus, we want to generate content that serves both Curriki’s and OLPC’s priorities.

Our project is “Geomapping in Americas’Elementary Schools” which involves creating an interactive map of the Americas with geographical and sociological information that would help teachers in social science courses for children between 9 and 10 years old. The map will consist of two layers, one with graphical content and the other with language. Thus although the project will be in Spanish it can be easily adapted to other languages. This map will have images, colors and designs according to every country, as well as specific elements like flags, structure and other basic information. We are going to use Flash as a graphical base for the project. Our project will have to day as deadlines; first, for the information content, we will have the text and class contents (20 lessons) in a publishable format by October 26. The graphical part of the project, maps and design, will be finish by November 15.

In order to construct the map, we will research geography education in 4th and 5th grade in Latin America, U.S. and Canada, text books, remarkable research and interview geography teachers.

It is important to highlight that we already contacted the offices of the PHD and the Master program in education in our university this to get feedback and permanent reviews of the pedagogical and instructional design of the content. Also, we will prepare lesson plans on geography which we will link to the map. Finally, we will make copies of the product for elementary schools in our city, in order to have monitoring capacity.

We look forward to hearing from you and will wait for your response so that we can incorporate any changes and suggestion you may have.

Best Wishes

Fernando Rojas Andrews
MSC Candidate in International Law
A00881041@itesm.mx
EGAP Building, Sixth Floor.ZIP 66269
+(5281)86258366

'''Bios'''

Dante Sanchez
He was awarded in 2003 with the State Youth Leadership Prize and Candidate to the National Award of Youth Leadership; studied a Master Degree in economics and public policy at the EGAP in Monterrey Mexico. Dante has work as a Civil servant, NGO's volunteer and assistant in educational institutions; also he has worked for the World Bank as a Development Marketplace Program Evaluator and collaborates in projects of Education Measuring for Developing Countries sponsored by the OECD. Specialized in regional development and education, has worked at the ITESM since 2005.

Fernando Rojas
He is a lawyer who studies the Master in International Law in EGAP. He also is currently working as a Research Assistant in the Master in Public Policy. He worked in consulting projects for the Mexican Education Minister and the UN. He is interested in Open Source, International Tax Law, Computer Law and Justice. Also he took a course of Information Technologies at the Kennedy School of Government (Harvard) and a course of American Law at the Law Center of Georgetown University.

Hector GHF
He has a young creative mind. He studied Marketing in Mexico at the prestigious School of Business of Tecnologico de Monterrey. He has worked for companies like Disney, Coca-Cola, and Kellogg supporting marketing strategies within; however he recently changed his administrative focus to a more creative approach working as an Assistant Producer in animated and live-action advertisement for international markets. He has worked as an independent illustrator for museums and children's books. Also, he freelances as a Graphic Designer when he has the chance. He has lived in Mexico, United States, and Argentina, this last being his current location.

Nestor Guerrero
He is a Mexican Master in Public Policy and Politics student in EGAP. He is a Bachelor in Computer Science Engineering of Tec de Monterrey. Actually he is half time working as Research Assistant in a Cathedra of Public Administration, Government and Citizens. His principal interest areas are electronic governance, open standards in public information, web services in public administrations, creating public value through information systems. He enjoys traveling and working with people from different countries.

Ricardo Martinez
He is an EGAP grad student in Public Administration, currently working as a Research Assistant. He did my major in Political Science and Public Administration in the Universidad de Monterrey (UDEM). He has been working in Governance issues and in Public Security. Also he took the Information Technologies and Innovation in Government Executive Program at the Kennedy School of Government (Harvard) in summer 2007 where he heard about the OLPC program.

== Mailing list page ==

What happened to the [http://lists.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo mailing list] link that used to be in the sidebar? It seems to have been removed in favor of the "IRC and Email" link, but that page has nothing about e-mail. &mdash;[[User:Leejc|Joe]] 22:44, 6 October 2007 (EDT)


== One Laptop in America ==

''Moved question to [[Ask OLPC a Question/New#One Laptop in America | Ask OLPC a Question/New]].''

== OLPC Namespace, cleanup ==
cleanup ideea:
: [[OLPCWiki:]] to [[OLPC:]] and split the [[FAQ]] and related questions into the core sections ([[FAQ/Our mission]])
: links from [[FAQ]] to [[community Portal]] and vice-versa
: merge [[Talk:Main Page]] into [[Community Portal]]
: merge [[Wiki]] with [[talk:Main Page]]
: link to [[xoxo]] and other communit ynews from [[community portal]
: link to static FAQ from the [[FAQ]] page

[[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font color="fc9"><small>talk</small></font>]] 16:26, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

== OLPC EN PERU ==

'''OLPC en Perú'''

Luego de la aprobacion por mayoria de la partida que autoriza la compra de laptops para las escuelas más pobres del Perú, les comento que un video que ilustra el piloto de Arahuay ha sido publicado en www.infordata.tv

Les adjunto el link para que puedan dejar sus comentarios.

http://www.infordata.tv/vervideos.php?id_video=52&categoria=tecnologia

== Olpc news Website ==

Acessem Já
[http://www.olpcnews.rg3.net Olpc News]


Notícias,informações e análises... você encontra aqui!!!!!

"A Educação é a arma mais poderosa que você pode usar para mudar o mundo!"(Nelson Mandela)

== Toronto-Manila Content Generation - G1G1 Window ==

We are early retirees wanting to foster the development of OLPC pedagogical content for the Tagalog, Inuit and English languages. We have enlisted the participation of Dr. Michaele Robertson of the University of Toronto School and Dr. Mercedes Rodrigo of Ateneo University in Manila. The OLPC-PH team and Mel Chua have also been engaged.
The project would entail the deployment of 25 machines in each locale, part in the developer community and part in a model classroom environment.

Our name is Prosser not Gates so we are hoping to realize this goal through the G1G1 window whereby the Give 1 machines would be dispatched directly to Dr. Rodrigo in Manila or to Dr. Robertson in Toronto for on-shipment. The Get 1 machines would be delivered to Dr. Robertson.

Otherwise we would have to wait until you achieve general availability which would be a pity.

We realize you folks in Boston are very busy but hope you will be able to find some bandwidth to consider this proposed use of the G1G1 window.

Truly,
Yolanda Prosser (Retired Schoolteacher)
G J Prosser (Retired Banker and Sloan Fellow)

:Check out the give many program - [http://laptopfoundation.org/participate/givemany.shtml]. You are talking about spending $10,000 for 50 laptops; under this program you'd spend $30,000 for 100 laptops (and would be donating 50 laptops to a location of OLPC's choice). That's the best that's on offer. Or you could just do normal G1G1 and spend $20,000 for 50 laptops. [[User:Homunq|Homunq]] 22:15, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
: Clarification: I don't know much about the project, haven't yet met Graham and Yolanda in person or talked with them extensively online, and can't speak for their proposal one way or the other, but when Graham mentioned it briefly via email I suggested that they post a proposal on the wiki (more detail always helps) and suggested the same thing as Homunq with the GMGM program for slightly later on. Just wanted to clarify that "engaged" doesn't necessarily mean "endorsed" yet. [[User:Mchua|Mel Chua]] 19:45, 6 November 2007 (EST)

== OLPC news blog==
This topic grew to be too big, and has been removed to the [[Talk:OLPC_News|discussion page]] at [[OLPC News]].

== Fiji ==

Educational Foundation for the Children of Fiji
It's purpose is to build a All ECO- Conservation state of the art school campus
for 10,000 students in Fiji that has been entrusted for 550 years or the life of the school the ages of the students will be K-College.
These students will be eqipped to go on to become the future leaders that God intended for them to be.
Our Goals are to equip, encourage and empower.
Carol Wachniak VP

== Durable laptops for children with disabilities "schools" ==

What a brilliant idea, at last a durable computer for a child. I am so disappointed that these computers are not able to be purchased by the general public. Not only are these laptops brilliant for children in developing countries, but for students in schools with disabilities they would be a god-send. Please please make these laptops available to the general public and in Australia too!

== Why? ==

Kids in developing nations are starving...maybe meeting their basic needs (food and shelter) should be your focus.

May be its time to educate them rather than just feed them. Let's look to future not just today. One of those kids will have a chance to change his/her community to be independent. Bahram Nov 24, 2007

:I agree about the problem of starvation and malnutrition. And about the problems of war, disease, oppression, land mines, slavery, and all the others that deny our children livelihoods, health and even life. They are not in question. The question is not even what you and I individually should do. It is what we all should be doing. And that means everything, not just a bit here and a bit there. It also doesn't mean that we should work on only one part of the solution.

:Someone needs to focus on immediate survival issues of food, health, water, war, and other troubles of the poor. If that's you, thank you. We need more of you. And somebody needs to focus on education in order to break the cycle of poverty. That's us. We need more of us, too. It isn't either/or, it's both/and.

:It would cost billions of dollars to feed every undernourished child as soon as possible, and the money is not forthcoming from governments or private donors. I wish it were. We know that part of the problem for potential donors is that feeding the hungry day by day is only a temporary fix, with no end in sight.

:It will cost billions of dollars to educate children so that they can get jobs or create agricultural innovations to feed their communities. The money is starting to come forth because this addresses the roots of poverty. One of the reasons that this motivates donors is that it promises to end poverty at a profit all around, so that we won't have to depend on donations to expand to every child on Earth.

:I could show you a pro forma spreadsheet of the kind of calculations a government has to make in order to decide that the laptop program will pay for itself from tax revenues on new businesses, even at the relatively high interest rates charged to governments in developing countries. [[http://earthtreasury.org/ Earth Treasury] proposes to speed up the process, increasing Return on Investment and shortening the payback period, by teaching children how to connect around the world and go into business together.

:As to what you and I should do, computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra has a suggestion that I find helps to clarify matters for me: "Only do what only you can do."

:Most of us in the laptop project wouldn't be very effective at direct food aid. We find, however, that we are very effective at what we are doing, and nobody else comes close. Please ask yourself what you know that the children need to know, and come to the Wiki to tell us about it. If you happen to be good at food aid or agriculture or nutrition, speak up and we will give you every assistance to get your program out to the children and their communities.

:Because collaboration on discovering now solutions is what the laptop is all about.--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 17:55, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Laptop Project ==

Wow, you read the news and see bad things - but I read about this in People. I commend and THANK Mr. Negroponte. You are part of, if everyone does some part - the world is a better place. May God Bless You in many many ways.
When you are done providing each child a laptop, if every, please consider the United States Servicemen who are overseas but could not afford a laptop.
But for now good luck and May God Bless You!

== Good Luck with this project. ==

Good luck with this project! The brilance of this project.... Giving kids the ability to have a open system to explore the inner working of a pc. I know it helped me when I got my first Commodor 64 and opend it up and learned that the fuse could be blown and the system would not work. The process of researching how to fix that problem was very educational.
Linux rocks as a os and the basic system this XO is gives the kids the development enviroment to tap into learning how to make it work. The the move to virtual pc os's like http://g.ho.st and others like it with Google going to virtual applications and massive server farms this thin client concept put into the hands of a population is so powerfull. And a crank to power the power the battery... so cool... attach it to a excercize bike and you surf and sweat and build your body at the same time.


== Would love to provide my own child whith a labtop ==

Im a single mother and would love to provide my own child.I think your program is great. But i cant afford to donate.

:Sorry, not much we can do. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 23:48, 8 December 2007 (EST)

== Problem with telephone orders ? ==

I'm not certain if this is the right place for this question ...

I feel quite passionate about the mission and your project.

However, I feel a bit uneasy at this point. I ordered a G1G1 via telephone on 11/12 at 6:15 AM, EST. Although I received a confirmation number, I haven't yet received an email, nor is my credit card charged. I called the 800 number last week, gave my confirmation number and still haven't heard anything. I wish that something would be published on the OLPC website, since I believe that others are affected as well.

:Hi ~ [[Special:Recentchanges|It looks like]] you've posted this on Wednesday, 11/21. A longer post on this issue can be found on the Ask_OLPC_a_Question page [[Ask_OLPC_a_Question#Trouble_Ordering_OLPC_G1G1|here]]. As far as I can see here on this wiki and elsewhere on the web, no-one who placed an order by phone has said that the charges have yet appeared on their credit card accounts. On the other hand, as you'll see from the post I'm pointing you to, JC reports that "The supervisor (who was supernice) to whom I spoke to assured me that my queue position is not affected by the delay in getting a confirmation or posting the charge to my credit card which should happen by Friday." ~ [[User:Hexagonal|Hexagonal]] 16:07, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Send a virtual XO on Facebook ==

Facebook users can now let people know about the XO Laptop by sending a virtual XO as a [http://apps.facebook.com/greengifts Green Gift on Facebook]. Green Gifts is an application that was created by BC Hydro (the power utility in British Columbia, Canada) to promote conservation. When the Give One, Get One campaign was launched, BC Hydro decided to lend the application to promoting the XO and letting people know that they Give One, Get One until November 26th. To encourage Facebook users to spread the word about the XO, BC Hydro is Giving One and Getting One itself -- and giving its XO as a prize to a Green Gifts user.



== BBC coverage on YouTube ==

See [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nh5mlyTZvE&feature=user here] for a BBC piece on the OLPC in Nigeria. --[[User:Brianmc|Brianmc]] 04:35, 28 November 2007 (EST)

i wanna buy one loptop can you please tell him how


my email cellshop9@aol.com

thanks



== GOOD LUCK MR N - YOU ARE A TRUE VISIONARY! ==

''Italic text''== Headline text ==I just saw this story on 60 minutes this Sunday and I too would also like to commend Mr "N" for his selflessness, his courage, his keen observations and well-thoughtout planning to find a resolution to a global problem. It takes a special person to set aside his career, his security and devote himself to bettering children all over the world. I have read the comments all throughout this blog and am honestly torn by some of them. He had THE vision (NOONE ELSE) and made the sacrifice to make this project a reality, so to sit at your computers at home and criticize his distribution decisions and to especially complain about having to buy another computer for someone else is distrubing to me. While half of the comments are good-natured like this one below - there sure were a lot of back-seat marketers out there. Alot of complaints because they weren't readily available to buy a persons child one who some of them sounded like they needed a lesson in learning patience or at least their parents did. This is a GREAT IDEA TO BEAT POVERTY. This project is not going to hand feed people. It is not welfare. It is not my tax dollars going to waste supporting someone else's drug habit, while the six kids they had to hopefully increase the welfare money, housing benefits, and food stamps, sit neglected at home at night wearing dirty clothes, hungry and unbathed because the water has been shut off. UPON FRUITION, THIS PROJECT WILL CHANGE THE WORLD. HE HAD THE VISION AND SO FAR IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL; SO I SAY HUSH, AND TRUST THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS A GENIUS AND HE DESERVES OUR SUPPORT, OUR PATIENCE AND OUR PRAISE. Thanks Mr. N - you have restored my faith in possibility. With more people like you, maybe we do have a chance of saving things. GOOD LUCK. I noticed there are worries about the pledges for the last distribution - have you thought about going on OPHRAH - TEN TIMES THE VIEWERS AS 60 MINUTES - this is the kind of thing she loves!!!!! One show with here and awareness is there!!!!!! AND..............TO ALL OF THE WHINERS AND KNOW IT ALLS OUT THERE: Until you are willing to spend your own money, set aside your own life and make your own sacrifices, just HUSH.

== Please Link Help to Main Page ==
I have an OLPC laptop and I can't figure out how to do anything, and I do mean this. Please link some help to the main page. OLPC may be a gem, but unless I can find help, I have a very cute paperweight.

== Help for new users ==

If you received an OLPC XO through the [[G1G1|Give One Get One]] program and are having trouble, see the [http://laptop.org/en/laptop/start/ draft manual]. If your problem isn't addressed there, or the instructions don't work for you, you can ask further questions on the [[New Users]] page.--[[User:Mokurai|Mokurai]] 17:18, 13 December 2007 (EST)
: Thanks, Mokurai. Feel free to suggest main page edits as well. [[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font color="fc9"><small>talk</small></font>]] 13:48, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== [[OLPC:BOLD|Boldness]] taken too far? ==
The main page has '''too much bold'''. I myself am known to [http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj bold things] on '''occasion''', but think we should tone it down here. [[User:Sj|Sj]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Sj|<font color="fc9"><small>talk</small></font>]] 13:48, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Latest revision as of 20:24, 11 April 2022

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LiveCD in Latest releases out of date

Hello. In the "Latest Releases" box, the link to the LiveCD must be updated. It still refer to Build 385, while a recent version is available (ftp://rohrmoser-engineerinit is probably the most useful link over there, and at first this was going to be a gripe about it going away entirely, but then I realized someone had just mis-categorized it (IMHO). You can lose the Random Page link for all I care (as SJ has observed , it's more or less a ticket to an XO Korea page anyway. Cjl 15:07, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm torn about where to put it. It is both about the project -- a way to see its current activity -- and of course about the wiki. It was moved because it was 'below the fold' on most monitors. I'm open to other suggeestions. And I still find randompages useful; olpc korea is only ~15% of the site :) --Sj talk 13:37, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
There is enough real estate "below the fold" to have a second copy of the link under OLPC wiki. I'm not the only one asking. See FGrose comment elsewhwere. Cjl 18:30, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Add Machine Translation

I would like to add the GoogleTrans-en template to the Main page. In spite of the worthy efforts of many translators in many languages, the number of edits to this page are more than any handful of humans can keep up with. By adding this template it will allow users the option of accessing a translation of this pageGoogleTranslation in one of 22 languages, they will have access to "good enough" translation of more current content. Furthermore, the Google translation frame will allow them to navigate the rest of the wiki from this entry point with translation turned on, if they so choose. See for example my User:page User:Cjl, select any language and then navigate off the page by any of the links while the Google translation frame is active. It is also simple to dismiss the translation frame and switch back to the original verison of the page.

The argument against relying solely on human translations. I reviewed the other lang-xx versions of this page (certainly one of the most translated and updated pages) and recorded the most recent version number from the translation template. Clearly many of these are cases of the version number not being kept up to date (a challenge in itself), but on the other hand, history shows many of these pages have not had substantial revisions for months and months. No matter how much you might prefer a human translation, you must admit that at present, the community of lang-xx translators cannot keep pace with the larger community of lang-en editors. We should not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Cjl 22:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT) 

Version lang
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 33113	ar
 76798	bg
 33477	de
 75214	es
 37382	fr
 54129	it
 99961	ko
 68032	no
 81739	pt
 33477	ro
102681	ru
 60725	zh
 60725	zh-TW
please remind me why this is better than the translation links in the skin... placement? --Sj talk 06:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Moved comment from 200.101.90.215

Looks horrible on IE6 * Please fix *

noted! --Sj talk

"How to update" links to old page!

"How to update" link on Main page (in box) links to a page saying there is a newer version of this page available (?!) 76.243.220.21 02:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

New main page design

We need a total redesign of the page. Mel and Seth and others have been saying the same thing for a while... so let's actually design a new model and implement it. I'd like to see something like the catalan wp main page : with small colorful in-page tabs, a highly summarized and limited set of information in short paragraphs and bullet points, each linking to details elsewhere on the wiki, and a set of alternative page views including a static html view, for usability.

Each of the sections of the main page is another target for maintenance -- people interested in one area of news or another, in feeds or images or media, can keep that part of the main apge up to date without worrying about the currency of the rest of it; and without interlacing the overall page history with the section history. Now we only need to get the Design gang involved...24.61.14.99 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

But the new main page design is barren and still static. It needs love! I still like the wikitravel and wikieducator homepages best... along with the catalan Wikipedia. --Sj talk 21:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Participation

The menu on the left should include a link to the Participate page. It could perhaps replace several of the more specific topics there.--Mokurai 19:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

UBUNTU

How about, let us easily install ubuntu?

I just wrote a howto for Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). It is a slightly involved, but fairly straightforward process. :] It would be nice if someone figured out what changes the stock Ubuntu kernel needs in order to work. --Maxxflow 19:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Concise mission improvement

How about, improving concise mission? As a member of the indigenous Australian community I am very offended with the amount of racism that is going on here.
People may be blind to their own racism. Feel free to edit in non-racist language. --FGrose 01:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

New discussions moved to the Cafe

See OLPC:Cafe for more. --Sj talk

Helping with this wiki

I would like to help out maintaining this wiki, however a lot of pages are locked from editing for me. Is there some solution for this? e.g. can somebody give me admin status? It is mostly wikilinks fixing what I want to do, but this wiki suffers from bad linking quite a lot.--Kozuch 21:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds great. You've made one edit already. Keep going. For things you can't edit, mention them to those who can. Once the trust develops, and the load increases, we will probably increase your access. --Quozl 22:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Watchlist feeds

Hi there,

what about upgrading MediaWiki in order to have watchlists accessible via RSS/ATOM feeds as for instance Wikipedia or OSM Wiki have? It would help me a lot in watching this site.--Kozuch 08:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Any news here?--Kozuch 12:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
There are these links in Sidebar Toolbox section for the Related changes page, RSS and atom,
and similar ones on the Recent changes page for the wiki (reach it from the Sidebar, About OLPC). --FGrose 16:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Humbly Opine

Regarding the concern expressed by some colleagues that 3,000 laptops is less than a rain drop in an ocean, I would humbly opine that once we successfully deploy the initial 3,000 we can can then shoot for a million laptops, for then the sky will be the limit. Don't you reckon? -- Larry.

Which colleagues? Where is the concern expressed? I can't see the context of your anonymous response. --Quozl 01:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I see, you are commenting about the page Collaborative_GrantProposal. Please put comments about that page on the talk page of that page. See Talk:Collaborative_GrantProposal That page and others should also move to be under a project, to avoid confusion. --Quozl 01:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Please not only "black kids with XO's on the front page also pics with "white kids". Making stand out more that the XO-XServer combination is the best laptop out there, also for rich kids

Imho one of the reasons OLPC takes such a long time to catch on in developed countries, is that there's too many pics of poor black, asian, lating american kids associated with it. This is misleading many people into thinking that this is a poor kids laptop/initiative and for sure the laptop is not something that's good enough for kids in "normal"/"rich" countries. Therefore I'd like to propose to switch the wording of the mission around. Now it reads: "The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's most isolated and poorest children by giving each child a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning." but watch this: "The One Laptop per Child non-profit develops a low-cost laptop—the "XO Laptop"—to revolutionize how we educate the world's children. Our mission is to provide educational opportunities for the world's children by giving each child the best rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop configuration - the XO and XServer combination; and software tools and content designed for collaborative, joyful, self-empowered learning. At OLPC, we will focus on the most isolated and poorest kids and we assume the regions that are well structured and rich enough, to auto-organize themselves in developing capacity, demo-projects and full-scale deployments." Pls vote this latter to the top.--SvenAERTS 23:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

OLPC Tablet

Discussion of hardware and software of the tablet is noticeably absent from this wiki. Questions parallel those pertaining to the laptop. How is the case built? Glued or welded together? Can the battery be replaced? Anyone succeeded in upgrading the Android system or installing another system. Anyone outside Vivitar developing software? Silence is imposed by Vivitar? Merely from the tablet being new?

Regards, ... Peter E, Peasthope 15:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

You are the first person to ask these questions here, which probably means that the interest is nil apart from you. The documentation for Android tablets can be found elsewhere on the internet. It would be unnecessary and would lead to errors if we were to duplicate the documentation for Android. We would also incur a huge load from people looking for Android documentation for products we don't sell. You can find our XO-4 Android documentation, specific to the XO-4, on the page Android. --Quozl 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
OK thanks. Being first isn't necessarily bad. Given that there is some interest in maintaining the laptops, a similar interest is likely to develop for the tablets as more of them come into use and failures occur. If laptop.org can spare a place for discussion, good. Other possibilities exist. Regarding software, I wonder how the system starts. A Forth PROM? A PC BIOS accessible to the user? Proprietary firmware? I can buy one and explore but documentation wouldn't hurt. Regards, ... Peasthope 15:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. For the XO laptop, we led the hardware and firmware design process, so our documentation is rich and extensive. But for the tablet, we had no involvement in the hardware and firmware design process, so we don't have documentation to the same extent. We can and do create documentation where the costs of doing so can be offset against a bulk purchase. You'd need to be buying thousands before we could get involved to that extent. If you wish to create documentation, then research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field. There's no real need to buy one of our tablets to do this, any Android tablets of the same technology era would be sufficient. --Quozl 01:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
"... our documentation is rich and extensive."
Certainly I appreciate that. XOs have a strong claim to be the best laptops ever built. Thanks!
At least some contributions to wiki.lapttop.org have been made voluntarily by users with no formal connection to OLPC. Therefore if a page in wiki.laptop.org were allowed for the tablet, voluntary contributions are possible. A tablet FAQ page for example. It wouldn't have to burden OLPC staff excessively.
"... research how Android is loaded onto tablets and phones in factory and in the field."
I imagined very elementary questions such as these.
Is the screen legible in reflected light?
What is a typical usage time before battery recharge?
Can the battery be replaced?
Regards, ... Peter E., Peasthope 17:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
So you're asking me to allow or bless a page you haven't created yet. A page with questions that I'm not empowered to answer, that you call elementary, and that you don't have the answers for. I don't see the sense in that. Who will benefit? Apparently only you, and only for your curiosity. Who will be harmed? It would seem to be a cost and risk to OLPC. So I cannot allow. Tablets are an off-the-shelf generic product, or their specifications are negotiated in a bulk order. They sell for as little as $18 close to point of manufacture in China. There's just not the margin to support a documentation ecosystem for them. --Quozl 20:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Password for login at wiki.laptop.org

Hi,
As of 2022-04-10, is password change allowed? If so, what are the requirements for a new password? Number of characters, upper/lower case, numerals & etc. Thx, ... Peasthope (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

Hope so. At least eight characters. Further guidance will be given by the software, which is MediaWiki. --Quozl (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
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