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Transcribed from http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2008-June/001014.html
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 09:04 -0500, Yama Ploskonka wrote:

> > Could someone wikifi all this, please?

> > Sorry I cannot volunteer.
==German-speaking countries, German Language keyboard variants==
> >
*German Germany
> > "Keyboards" page, or "G1G1 desired keyboard layouts", maybe better.
*German Austria
> >
**Those two are the same, there is no german-austrian keyboard. (confirmed by an Austrian.)
> > Might help other people get involved, and help carry the point across to
*German Switzerland
> > OLPC G1G1 decision makers...
**This one is different from the "standard" german layout. (confirmed by a Swiss person.)
> >

> > BTW, there's some keyboard layouts around, the one in the Bolivia wiki
==French-speaking countries, French Language keyboard variants==
> > page has the current Spanish keyboard in the borrowed B4 I have been

> > using, so they did make localized keyboards at some point, and of course
*French Switzerland
> > they are doing so for Uruguay and Peru I should guess, and I wonder
**This one is different from the "standard" french layout. (confirmed by a swiss person.)
> > what's happening in Colombia, and especially Haiti...

> >
==Italian-speaking countries, Italian Language keyboard variants==
> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Spanish_Keyboard
*Italian Switzerland
> >
*Italian Italy
> > Yama
**Those are the same, or rather, there is no italian-swiss keyboard, they use the "standard" italian keyboard. (confirmed by a swiss person.)
> >

> > Holger Levsen wrote:

>> > > Hi,
and then we can discuss Belgian (French and Flemish/Dutch). Yup. Belgians (whether flemish or french speaking) use belgium AZERTY keyboards (which are different from french AZERTY keyboards), while Dutch people use Dutch QWERTY keyboards. (Dutch and Flemish are very similar languages...) (info from a person from Belgium)
>> > >

>> > > I've done some research...
==Spanish-speaking countries, Spanish Language keyboard variants==
>> > >

>> > > On Tuesday 10 June 2008 21:22, Edward Cherlin wrote:
*Catalan (Spain)
>>> > >> German Germany
**There are no Catalan keyboards (or other regional keyboards in spain), they all use spanish keyboards. (puh.) (confirmed by several spanish persons.)
>>> > >> German Austria
>> > >
>> > > Those two are the same, there is no german-austrian keyboard. (confirmed by an
>> > > Austrian.)
>> > >
>>> > >> German Switzerland
>> > >
>> > > This one is different from the "standard" german layout. (confirmed by a swiss
>> > > person.)
>> > >
>>> > >> French Switzerland
>> > >
>> > > This one is different from the "standard" french layout. (confirmed by a swiss
>> > > person.)
>> > >
>>> > >> Italian Switzerland
>>> > >> Italian Italy
>> > >
>> > > Those are the same, or rather, there is no italian-swiss keyboard, they use
>> > > the "standard" italian keyboard. (confirmed by a swiss person.)
>> > >
>>> > >> and then we can discuss Belgian (French and Flemish/Dutch)
>> > >
>> > > Yup. Belgians (whether flemish or french speaking) use belgium AZERTY
>> > > keyboards (which are different from french AZERTY keyboards), while dutch
>> > > people use dutch qwerty keyboards. (dutch and flemish are very similar
>> > > languages...) (info from a person from Belgium)
>> > >
>>> > >> Catalan (Spain)
>> > >
>> > > There are no catalan keyboards (or other regional keyboards in spain), they
>> > > all use spanish keyboards. (puh.) (confirmed by several spanish persons.)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > HTH,
>> > > Holger
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-- Jim Gettys <jg@laptop.org> One Laptop Per Child

Revision as of 20:16, 11 June 2008

Ok, this discussion is becoming a bit more useful...


An SKU is a particular build including keyboard, power adapter, and exact components used to build the system).

 In short, the more SKU's necessary, the higher the cost (and risk of OLPC losing its shirt).


There are a number of issues here, all intertwingled:


  1. whether keyboard designs exist.
  2. whether those keyboard designs have ever actually been produced, and therefore the tooling is paid for already (so we might be able to make another SKU at less delay and cost than when we have to actually do a new keyboard from scratch).
  3. whether said designs will be "good enough" for a different market than initially intended. Note that language != keyboard design: Portugal uses a very different keyboard than Brazil).

# lead times to produce new keyboard designs (and demand for those), and how to pay for the tooling

  1. whether whomever we work with for G1G1 fulfillment is able/willing to undertake to ship multiple SKU's, and how we'll deal with power plug requirements.
  2. number of different SKU's needed to cover what populations of what size, and being able to predict volumes for that population accurately enough to forecast the demand (and not lose your shirt). Note that conventional keyboards on conventional laptops are replaceable easily; this means if you get the forecasting wrong, at worst, you replace keyboards and ship to different geographies. That's not true for us. If we make a mistake, we can't necessarily do anything to ship the laptops elsewhere, and we already have at least one example of this having happened (and a stack of machines in a warehouse, waiting for the day that keyboard is needed).
  3. regulatory requirements to ship into a given country, which may include power plug type, any printed material, localization requirements, and possibly keyboard layouts.


So while I can't hold out hope of *anything* beyond US international before any analysis is done, if someone wants to start gathering information more systematically into a wiki page, that would be good, so that decisions might be based on some data, rather than no data....

- Jim


Transcribed from http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/localization/2008-June/001014.html


German-speaking countries, German Language keyboard variants

  • German Germany
  • German Austria
    • Those two are the same, there is no german-austrian keyboard. (confirmed by an Austrian.)
  • German Switzerland
    • This one is different from the "standard" german layout. (confirmed by a Swiss person.)

French-speaking countries, French Language keyboard variants

  • French Switzerland
    • This one is different from the "standard" french layout. (confirmed by a swiss person.)

Italian-speaking countries, Italian Language keyboard variants

  • Italian Switzerland
  • Italian Italy
    • Those are the same, or rather, there is no italian-swiss keyboard, they use the "standard" italian keyboard. (confirmed by a swiss person.)


and then we can discuss Belgian (French and Flemish/Dutch). Yup. Belgians (whether flemish or french speaking) use belgium AZERTY keyboards (which are different from french AZERTY keyboards), while Dutch people use Dutch QWERTY keyboards. (Dutch and Flemish are very similar languages...) (info from a person from Belgium)

Spanish-speaking countries, Spanish Language keyboard variants

  • Catalan (Spain)
    • There are no Catalan keyboards (or other regional keyboards in spain), they all use spanish keyboards. (puh.) (confirmed by several spanish persons.)