Talk:Translators

I (Xavi) propose the following points:

• how the current Translating framework works
  • (it's not cast in iron and may be perfected, so don't be shy about criticizing it!)
• ideas on what is needed and how to make it available
  • both in terms of material in english and in each language
  • ideas on restructuring the wiki itself...
• tools and resources
  • more or less templates?
  • standards and other 'cosmetic' things

Please feel free to add your own or comment on the above. --Xavi 00:00, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

An idea!

Priority Pages: We should have a list of the pages that needs to be translated as soon as possible.

BTW: how are we meeting? IRC? Nalrawahi 09:17, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Priorities is definitely a point—there's no point in translating that nobody reads. There's a Special:Popularpages that gives out the total quantity of views per page. It's a good first shot, but unfortunately that's a historical PoV... iow, a new 'hot' page worth translating will hardly show up in the ranking... so yes, we should find a way to set priorities.

Currently I'm using a trick that may help but could be considered disruptive in some ways. Any link appearing in a translated page (say [[SomePage]]) is simply 'translated' as [[SomePage/lang-es]]. Afterwards I create a REDIRECT page directly into the original page while tagging the fake translation page with Category:Missing translation. This way, I manage two things: (1) I can see how many links exist within the translated corpus to a specific fake translation exist—actually denoting some sort of 'chances' that someone will actually want to read that page translated. (2) If I ever decide to translate it, all the hooks are already in place (no need to backtrace all the references in the whole of the wiki and modify those in the translated pages.

Where? IRC for me is good.--Xavi 11:50, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't know , is there a better way than IRC? Nalrawahi 17:50, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

There's always msn, icq, skype...

	IRC	Skype	MSN	Yahoo	ICQ	Jabber	Wiki
Xavi	ok	ok	ok	ok	ok	mmm...	slow
Ptdrumm	-	ok	-	-	ok	-	-
php5	-	-	ok	-	-	-	-

Shouldn't we have a common agenda in the first place? — Ptdrumm 19:00, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

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I'm (php5) not familiar with others except MSN. How about a bulletin board like..hmmm....Zero Board?

I was proposing something along the lines I mentioned at the beginning...

Basically I think it'd be good if at least we are all on the same page on how to get things translated in the wiki. I've been 'patroling' the translations, not content-wise—which obviously I can't—but rather structure. And I think that at least there should be more people aware of how it works, either to make it better, change it, etc. but also to ensure that it's homogeneously used.

Another good thing about what we are doing is that we are having a general view of all the site and we may have ideas on how to restructure better the site (like, avoiding duplicate text and merging pages) and things like that that we should evaluate to make the whole wiki better...

Comments? --Xavi 20:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

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It's a kind of nonsense, but, frankly, I can't find a method to delete a page....Wow.....editing numerous pages without even knowing how to delete one.

Could you let me know? ---php5

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My topmost priority now is translate all pages linked to (already tanslated) 'The OLPC Wiki' page. This is about 15 pages, on my last count... Then, keep up with the dynamics. A lot to do before thinking in less linked or specific candidates. Paulo — Ptdrumm 22:36, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Any idea on how to 'start'?

If anybody sees this... or reads about it... please jot down your names (signature --~~~~ will suffice)... just to know who's around. I'll check in about 10min to give you time, and me to go buy cigarettes... ;) --Xavi 23:14, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Who's here?

1. --Xavi 23:14, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
2. — Ptdrumm 23:19, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
3. --user:php5 Deers, how to display time? and how to delete a page?

   to display userId plus date and time, use four tildes, like this ~~~~

or just hit the http://wiki.laptop.org/skins/common/images/button_sig.png button (second from the right) when you edit... deletion? iirc, only sysadmins can...

another alternative communication method is old style email... ;)

1. xavi PUNTO alvarez EN gmail PUNTO com — --Xavi 23:29, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

to be honest, dear Xavier, I think this could be THE place to start, once everyone can find each other. And my suggestion for a first discussion subject is your first suggestion: What are your priorities in translation? — Ptdrumm 23:49, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

... and when I say "this", above, I mean here, at the discussion page. — Ptdrumm 23:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

xavi priorities

my personal wishlist:

• an autonomous translating community
  • i've been patrolling too much, translating too little as of late
  • would be nice to have others that can tweak the odd mistake everybody can make and/or new volunteers will make (as we all have :)
• have fun and learn while translating :)

my wiki wishlish:

• double the translators into a wiki-reviewer community
  • there are many pages without substance but with an odd gem that should be merged/split
  • help restructure and catalog the information (helps further translations)
• do this things in a sort of coordinate way

I'll stop here and then edit... so that you have something to read and comment on :) --Xavi 23:57, 14 April 2007 (EDT)