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These are the notes taken and rough sketches for the processes involved in the [[localization]] effort in order to use [http://www.wordforge.org/drupal/projects/wordforge/tools/pootle '''Pootle'''] as a more liberal l10n platform. |
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; UPDATE : The test has gone forward and we are in the process of establishing the workflow to make it the [[Localization|Localization (L10N)]] platform of the XO. |
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; WANTED : Volunteers both for translating and coordinating. If interested [[Pootle#Sign-up|sign-up as a volunteer]]! |
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Some ways to find the translate server: |
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* '''[http://translate.sugarlabs.org http://translate.sugarlabs.org]''' |
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These are the notes taken and rough sketches for the processes involved in the [[localization]] effort in order to use [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index '''Pootle'''] as a more liberal L10n platform. |
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There are several scenarios that depend on the roles and their associated responsibilities (ie: translators, coders, administrators, etc). Below we outline the two most important ones from the POV of the [[translators]] that we could classify as either the ''opportunistic translator'' (fixing a typo or translating a few missing strings) and a ''registered translator'' (that is somehow more committed with the whole [[Localization|l10n]] reality). |
There are several scenarios that depend on the roles and their associated responsibilities (ie: translators, coders, administrators, etc). Below we outline the two most important ones from the POV of the [[translators]] that we could classify as either the ''opportunistic translator'' (fixing a typo or translating a few missing strings) and a ''registered translator'' (that is somehow more committed with the whole [[Localization|l10n]] reality). |
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If we consider that in the ultimate case children will be dealing with code (thus with <tt>gettext</tt>), we want things and processes to be as simple and straight forward as possible, so that in the end anybody will be able to translate. With this in mind, we aim for an environment that will: |
If we consider that in the ultimate case children will be dealing with code (thus with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext <tt>gettext</tt>]), we want things and processes to be as simple and straight forward as possible, so that in the end anybody, including children, will be able to translate or at least localize content to some degree. With this in mind, we aim for an environment that will: |
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* allow anybody to make suggestions, |
* allow anybody to make suggestions, |
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* allow registered users to make translations, and |
* allow registered and trusted users to review and make translations, and |
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* administrators to commit. |
* administrators to commit. |
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If the quality is not satisfactory, we can probably revert to more 'traditional' and bureaucratic structures; or try to develop tools that guarantee or hint appropriately without sacrificing the liberty and agility that will be required by children. |
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==How to Translate for OLPC XO and Sugar using Pootle== |
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* See slides at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452 |
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== i18n & L10n == |
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Most people will argue that [[Localization|localization (L10n / l10n)]] concerns and issues should be tackled way before coding is finished, and quite a few will categorically say that it will be too late by then. Avoiding the philosophical and formal aspects, and taking a more pragmatic approach, L10n is usually an afterthought and [[Python i18n|internationalization (i18n)]] an annoying prerequisite... that has to be done. |
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In the context of the OLPC XO [[software]] and [[activities]], and for practical purposes will avoid the debate on exactly where does L10n meets the code and start from the point where the output of i18n is used as the input for the l10n process. In other words, we'll elaborate based on the simplistic model that goes along the line: |
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# programmer uses gettext function calls around human readable language in the source code |
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# generate POT (gettext Portable Object Template) from the source code (output of the i18n process) |
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# generate PO (gettext Portable Object) based on POT |
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# translate / populate the PO with locale specific content |
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# generate the final PO (or MO) (gettext Machine Object, output of the l10n process) |
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# the executable code uses the PO (or MO) to comunicate with the final user |
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=== Developers === |
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: ''see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization Wikipedia's overview], [[Python_i18n|Python internationalization]], |
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[http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/start the Translate project's guide], [http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/kde-i18n-howto.html KDE i18n guide], [http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_10.html GNU gettext manual] and [http://www.google.com/search?q=i18n+internationalization+internationalisation other sources]'' |
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Developers willing to read a bit more about i18n & L10n, should review the links above. Regardless of how much or how good the i18n effort is, [[Pootle]]'s needs one (or more) '''<tt>.POT</tt>''' files. Developers should be aware that '''localization is NOT just about instrumenting strings''', as it includes [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/plurals_programmers plurals], numbers, dates, currencies, text-flow, scripts, fonts... and that it needs to be tested (ie: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudolocalization pseudolocalization testing]) that needs to be considered in the overall development cycle. Also, if you want your activity to be properly localized, think about [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/translation_comments commenting your strings]. |
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=== Translators === |
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: ''see '''[http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/pootleforxo2.pdf Translating for the OLPC project using Pootle]''', '''[http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html The Translator's Guide]''', [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/start L10n guide], [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/guide/start#translation translation guide], {{pending|more links to come...}}'' |
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Being able to understand or grasp the intended meaning of some text in a language does not make you a translator, but [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."] and all collaborations are welcome, although we also recommend reading some guidelines and documentation that may at least help you avoid some of the basic or typical errors and pitfalls. |
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== Basic Scenarios == |
== Basic Scenarios == |
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The basic idea is to allow the participation of anybody willing to put some effort while trying to keep a given quality of the translations. |
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* You can download the PO, so there's no forcing of the on-line UI (although you need the [[#User permissions|upload right]] to inject it back. So before going the ''offline road'' please coordinate with the [[#language administration|admins]]. |
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* In the translation interface, fuzzy entries are grayed out and there's a gray vertical line separating the terms |
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=== Opportunistic translator === |
=== Opportunistic translator === |
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This user '''just wants to help'''. She/he doesn't want to get tangled in the administrative tasks. The only possible collaboration available is to [[#User permissions|''suggest'']] translations (which will be reviewed by users who have been granted the [[#user permissions|Review permission]] in a particular language). |
This user '''just wants to help'''. She/he doesn't want to get tangled in the administrative tasks. The only possible collaboration available is to [[#User permissions|''suggest'']] translations (which will be reviewed by users who have been granted the [[#user permissions|Review permission]] in a particular language). |
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After '''navigating''' to the [http:// |
After '''navigating''' to the [http://solar.laptop.org:5080 olpc pootle server] '''project:''' [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/projects/olpc olpc] '''language:''' [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc spanish] to finally reach a '''file''' (ie: [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc/TamTamSynthLab.master.es.po?translate=1&view=1 '''TamTamSynthLab''']) |
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The interface will display a series of PO entries (one will have the focus—if it doesn't, hovering over one will make an 'Edit' link appear that enables it—showing an entry field, and the following controls: |
The interface will display a series of PO entries (one will have the focus—if it doesn't, you can double click the entry, or hovering over one will make an 'Edit' link appear that enables it—showing an entry field, and the following controls: |
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{{pending|a picture is worth 1000 words}} |
{{pending|a picture is worth 1000 words}} |
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* Translator comments field — comments either extracted from the source code, or added by other translators |
* Translator comments field — comments either extracted from the source code, or added by other translators |
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The opportunistic translator then proceeds to navigate the file/s entering suggestions (to be processed later by the [[#User permissions|reviewers]]). |
The opportunistic translator then proceeds to navigate the file/s entering suggestions (to be processed later by the [[#User permissions|reviewers]]). |
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; Admin notes : The [[#User permissions|<tt>Suggest</tt> permission]] must be granted on a per-language-project basis. |
; Admin notes : The [[#User permissions|<tt>Suggest</tt> permission]] must be granted on a per-language-project basis. |
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=== Registered translator === |
=== Registered translator === |
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Except for the mandatory [[#Register as a translator|pre-condition to register]], which enables the extra <tt>[Submit]</tt> button when translating, the overall process is quite similar to that of the [[#Opportunistic translator]]. On the other hand, several [[#User permissions|user-specific permissions]] may apply (ie: off-line translation) and the GUI will adapt and offer them. Also, as a registered translator, you may be assigned specific files or strings to translate and/or review, allowing to better coordinate the overall effort. |
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The <tt>default</tt> [[#user permissions]] apply to any registered user (unless they are overridden in case-by-case approach). In the out-of-the-box install they include: <tt>View, Suggest, Archive & Compile PO files</tt> |
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The process is similar to the [[#Opportunistic translator]] with the exception that you have an extra button <tt>[Submit]</tt> that effectively translates the string. |
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; Admin notes : In a collaborative and low-entry-barrier process, the [[#User privileges|administrator/s]] should enable the <tt>''default''</tt> user to actually <tt>translate</tt> — <tt>projects | |
; Admin notes : In a collaborative and low-entry-barrier process, the [[#User privileges|administrator/s]] should enable the <tt>''default''</tt> user to actually <tt>translate</tt> — Navigation: <tt>admin | projects | ''project_name'' | ''language'' | permissions +Translate</tt>. |
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: The <tt>default</tt> [[#user permissions]] apply to any registered user (unless they are overridden in a case-by-case approach). In the out-of-the-box install they include: <tt>View, Suggest, Archive & Compile PO files</tt> |
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== User Scenarios == |
== User Scenarios == |
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=== Register as a translator === |
=== Register as a translator === |
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# Head towards the [http:// |
# Head towards the [http://dev.laptop.org/translate/ pootle site] |
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# Follows the [http://democentro.com:81/register register] link where you fill the following fields: <tt>Username, Password, Confirm password, Full Name & Email Address</tt>, clicking on the <tt>[Register Account]</tt> button that will send a confirmation message to the email address with the activation code. |
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# Follow the [https://dev.laptop.org/translate/register.html register] link where you fill in the following fields: <tt>Username, Password, Confirm password, Full Name & Email Address</tt>; click on the <tt>[Register Account]</tt> button that will send a confirmation message to the email address with an activation code. |
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# Following the link in the email will activate the newly created account. After which it will ask you to login and take you to your user page. |
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# Following the link in the email will activate the newly created account after which you will be asked to log in. |
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=== User options === |
=== User options === |
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=== Reviewer === |
=== Reviewer === |
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A user who has been granted the <tt>Review</tt> permission, may accept or reject the ''suggestions'' made by users (who must have the <tt>Suggest</tt> permission). The way to do this {{pending|is there another?}} is to go to a language/project combination (ie: [http:// |
A user who has been granted the <tt>Review</tt> permission, may accept or reject the ''suggestions'' made by users (who must have the <tt>Suggest</tt> permission). The way to do this {{pending|is there another?}} is to go to a language/project combination (ie: [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc/ spanish-olpc]) and follow the [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc/index.html?editing=1 Show Editing Functions]. Here you have two alternatives: review the whole set of suggestions in the language-project set, or work on the suggestions present in a specific file (ie: [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc/translate.html?review=1&editing=1&has-suggestion=1 all suggestions] or [http://solar.laptop.org:5080/es/olpc/TamTamSynthLab.master.es.po?translate=1&review=1&editing=1&has-suggestion=1 TamTamSynthLab suggestions]). |
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Once in the review UI, the reviewer has four options: <tt>Accept, Reject, Back or Skip</tt> which are self evident, but nevertheless will mention: |
Once in the review UI, the reviewer has four options: <tt>Accept, Reject, Back or Skip</tt> which are self evident, but nevertheless will mention: |
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; Accept : the reviewer translator accepts the suggestion and is registered |
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; Reject : the suggested translation is rejected {{pending|does that mean erased for the user or the file?}} |
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! align=right | Accept |
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; Back : goes to the previous suggestion {{pending|assume a previous non-accepted/rejected suggestion}} |
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| the reviewer translator accepts the suggestion and is registered |
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; Skip : goes to the next available suggestion |
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! align=right | Reject |
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| the suggested translation is rejected {{pending|does that mean erased for the user or the file?}} |
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! align=right | Back |
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| goes to the previous suggestion {{pending|assume a previous non-accepted/rejected suggestion}} |
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! align=right | Skip |
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| goes to the next available suggestion |
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In the case where multiple suggestions have been made, each one has its <tt>Accept & Reject</tt> buttons, while only the last will have the <tt>Back & Skip</tt> buttons. |
In the case where multiple suggestions have been made, each one has its <tt>Accept & Reject</tt> buttons, while only the last will have the <tt>Back & Skip</tt> buttons. |
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This section of the UI displays on a per-file basis several functionalities that depend on the permissions of the user: |
This section of the UI displays on a per-file basis several functionalities that depend on the permissions of the user: |
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; Translate My Strings : enter the translate UI limiting the visibility to those strings assigned to the user. {{pending|explore}} |
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; Quick Translate My Strings : same as above, unknown difference. {{pending|explore}} |
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! align=right | Translate All |
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; Quick Translate : enter the translate UI over the whole set? {{pending|explore}} |
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| Goes to each string individually no matter what their state, across all files |
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; Translate All : {{pending|explore}} |
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; PO file : used for off-line translators in order to retrieve the whole .PO file. |
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! align=right | Quick Translate |
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; XLIFF file : used for off-line translators and interfaces to retrieve the whole file in said format. {{pending|explore}} |
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| Only go to strings that are fuzzy or untranslated, across all files |
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; Qt .ts file : {{pending|explore}} |
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; CSV file : {{pending|explore}} |
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! align=right | Translate My Strings |
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| As Translate All but only go to strings that are assigned to you. |
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! align=right | Quick Translate My Strings |
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| As with Quick Translate but only go to fuzzy and untranslated strings that are assigned to you. |
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! align=right | PO file |
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| used for off-line translators in order to retrieve the whole .PO file. |
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! align=right | XLIFF file |
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| used for off-line translators and interfaces to retrieve the whole file in said format. {{pending|explore}} |
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! align=right | Qt .ts file |
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=== Show checks === |
=== Show checks === |
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: ''For more information on the quality checks, see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pofilter_tests the documentation]. |
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This functionality is a real helper (at least for latin scripts) as it runs a series of checks on the translations. So [[Pootle]] besides the obvious verification of translated+fuzzy+untranslated check, it verifies: |
This functionality is a real helper (at least for latin scripts) as it runs a series of checks on the translations. So [[Pootle]] besides the obvious verification of translated+fuzzy+untranslated check, it verifies: |
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* <tt>simplecaps</tt> — for extra capital letters |
* <tt>simplecaps</tt> — for extra capital letters |
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* <tt>startpunc</tt> — if the original doesn't start with a letter, the translation probably shouldn't either |
* <tt>startpunc</tt> — if the original doesn't start with a letter, the translation probably shouldn't either |
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* <tt>unchanged</tt> — the source & translation are the same |
* <tt>unchanged</tt> — the source & translation are the same |
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* <tt>others</tt> — for a total of [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pofilter_tests 44 checks]. The most important being the ''critical'' tests: accelerators, escapes, newlines, nplurals, printf, tabs, variables and xmltags |
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* <tt>{{pending|others!!}}</tt> — there are several others! |
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Obviously, these checks, as any automated language process, are to be taken as a guidance and not as a rule. |
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Obviously, these checks, as any automated language process, are to be taken as a guidance and not as a rule. The check behaviour can be adjusted for a language, e.g. <tt>simplecaps</tt> could be disabled for a language that does not have a concept of capitals, <tt>doublequoting</tt> can be made aware of quote characters used in a language. These are changed by providing a <tt>lang</tt> module e.g. [http://translate.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/translate/src/trunk/translate/lang/ja.py?revision=6363&view=markup Japanese] and [http://translate.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/translate/src/trunk/translate/lang/fr.py?revision=5073&view=markup French]. |
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=== Zip of folder === |
=== Zip of folder === |
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Actually, any 'grouping' of PO files may be downloaded as a ZIP file if the user has the [[#User permissions|archive]] right. In other words, you can download the files in a language, goal, file, etc. It {{pending|may be possible that [[Pootle]] extracts and recombines from several files in order to provide the zip with say 'My Strings'}} for offline work. |
Actually, any 'grouping' of PO files may be downloaded as a ZIP file if the user has the [[#User permissions|archive]] right. In other words, you can download the files in a language, goal, file, etc. It {{pending|may be possible that [[Pootle]] extracts and recombines from several files in order to provide the zip with say 'My Strings'}} for offline work. |
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== Administration == |
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See [[Pootle/Administration]] |
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=== User permissions === |
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As an administrator, in your home page you have access to the [http://democentro.com:81/admin/ '''Admin page'''] which offers: [http://democentro.com:81/admin/users.html Users], [http://democentro.com:81/admin/languages.html Languages] & [http://democentro.com:81/admin/projects.html Projects]. {{pending|There are other general options}} of yet unknown use and impact. |
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See [[Pootle/Administration#User permissions]] |
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; [http://democentro.com:81/admin/users.html Users] : is a simple interface allowing the manual addition of users, edition of their names & (invisible) passwords (ie: resetting them) and where you can activate, de-activate and remove an user. |
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== Sign-up == |
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; [http://democentro.com:81/admin/languages.html Languages] : allows the maintenance of the list of available languages (based on the [[ISO 639]] codes, a descriptive text, [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/characters special characters] (used in the translating UI), defining the number of plurals and its equation. |
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: NOTE: I've removed several (traditional) languages trying to limit the list to the core green languages: {{Status green language codes}}. Still pending: {{pending|plural formulas}}. |
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If interested in the [[Localization]] effort, please sign up below. Although we are focusing on {{Status green languages}} and [[G1G1|Give One Get One]] languages, any other language is welcome. If you are not subscribed to <tt>localization@lists.laptop.org</tt> we strongly suggest you do so. |
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; [http://democentro.com:81/admin/projects.html Projects] : this is the ''initial'' page where things come together. Besides being able to add/remove project ({{pending|what are all the other fields?}} you can follow each project to define the 'enabled languages' for it, and where you can add more languages. {{Pending|how do you '''remove''' a language from a project??}} |
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: This is where you can also {{pending|update from templates—POTs}}. The ''update from templates'' functionality is {{pending|still not understood}}. |
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: For example, following the [http://democentro.com:81/projects/olpc/admin.html olpc project] link you will find the list of languages. Each language (a link) takes you to the [http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/admin.html user permissions] in said project-language combination which is where you can specify the set of [[#User permissions]] to be used in it. |
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[http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/teams.html The more current list], generated every week from the Pootle server. |
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=== Defining goals === |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [af] — [[Afrikaans language]] — {{langname-af}} |
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Goals are required in order to be able to assign translations, thus enabling the organizing and prioritizing of work ''within a given language-project'' (iow, no global goals). Also worth noting, goals seem to be nothing more than a 'bundle name', with no other data like deadlines, comments or anything else. |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Morgs|Morgan Collett]] || Pootle: |
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In order to define a goal you must enable the <tt>Show Goals</tt> in the project page, and on the right, there's an entry field to add new. |
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| ''OTRA'' || Yosef Abate || Pootle: |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Teferra |tegegne tefera]] || Pootle: Teferra |
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| ''OT'' || Mariamawit Getachew || Pootle: mari |
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| ''OT'' || Frehiwot Tenagne || Pootle: fre |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ar] — [[Arabic language]] — {{langname-ar}} |
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# Define a goal in the project page (ie: [http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/ spanish-olpc]) toggle the <tt>Show Goals</tt> |
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#* by default a null-goal (ie: [http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/index.html?showgoals=1&goal= Not in a goal]) exists as a catch all. |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Khaled hosny|Khaled Hosny]] || Pootle: khaled |
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#* on the right, a box with an entry field allows you to give a name and '''Add Goal'''. |
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# Assign files to a goal |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:KillerLegend|Mohamed Sanad]] || Pootle: KillerLegend |
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#* as we are trying to include files into a goal, click on the [http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/index.html?showgoals=1&goal= Not in a goal] |
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#* make sure that the <tt>[http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/index.html?showgoals=1&editing=1 Show Editing Funcions]</tt> is enabled by clicking on it if necessary |
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#* once in the language-project-goals view (showing the 'Not in a goal' files), each file has a pull-down list to pick and set the goal. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ay] — [[Aymara]] — {{langname-ay}} |
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After setting the goals you can view the files bundled in a goal, and later assign work. |
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| ''A'' || [[User:Yamaplos|Yamandú Ploskonka]] || Pootle: yamaplos |
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=== Assigning translations === |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/assigning Pootle::Assigning]'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:atodorov|Alexander Todorov]] || Pootle: atodorov |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [bn] — [[Bengali language]] — {{langname-bn}} |
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This is a nice administrative functionality that will actually (or probably) make the translator's life simpler. As an administrator you can assign certain users to goals and also to specific files (either to translate everything, unassigned, and a couple other variants). |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Jamil|Jamil Ahmed]] || Pootle: jamil |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Suzan|Khandakar Mujahidul Islam]] || Pootle: suzan |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Mak|Mahay Alam Khan]] || Pootle: mak |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [bn-IN] — [[Bengali language]] — {{langname-bn-IN}} |
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By assigning users and goals/files, those user will then be able to use special links (ie: <tt>Translate My Strings</tt> or <tt>Quick Translate My Strings</tt>) that will feed them with their workload, and thus allow focus where is needed for the project. Still, the interface and handling is not quite describable at this moment as many aspects come together and {{pending|some things need to be better understood}} in order to get the most out of it (while trying not to complicate things too much). |
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| ''OTRA'' || Indranil Das Gupta || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ca] — [[Catalan language]] — {{langname-ca}} |
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{{pending|how do you '''remove''' an user from a given goal?}} |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Jaume|Jaume Nualart]] || Pootle: jaume |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Victor|Victor Guillamon]] || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Tomeu|Tomeu Vizoso]] || Pootle: tomeu |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [cs] — [[Czech language]] — {{langname-cs}} |
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=== Setting up version control systems === |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control Pootle::Version control]'' |
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| ''TR'' || [[User:Kuba|Jakub Guttner]] || Pootle: Kuba |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [de] — [[German language]] — {{langname-de}} |
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'''These are some notes of the trials, not actual documentation.''' |
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|- |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Adricnet|Adricnet]] || Pootle: |
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|- |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Michael Reschke|Michael Reschke]] || Pootle: |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Mschlager|Markus Schlager]] || Pootle: mschlager |
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| ''OTRA'' || Gerhard Steiner|| Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [dz] — [[Dzongkha]] — {{langname-dz}} |
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Things have been messier than expected. First of all, GIT is not supported in the stable version, and the newer (unstable) version is reorganizing several aspects of [[Pootle]] making it too risky to jump onto the bleeding edge... Thus the decision to backport the git support. |
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| ''OTRA'' || Tenzin Dendup || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Uden Sherpa || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [el] — [[Greek language]] — {{langname-el}} |
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On top of this, although volunteer gnrfan joined the fray (doing the backport), our experience with git is way below average and we are totally in the dark about how does [[Pootle]] actually obtain and store the POT files. We seem to have found a way (using symlinks in the [[Pootle]] subdirectories pointing to the repository files) but this solution although it may work, is a bit obscure and not even hinted by the documentation of [[Pootle]]: |
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<blockquote> |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Simosx|Simos Xenitellis]] || Pootle: simosx |
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''To have any sort of integration with version control from within Pootle, it is necessary to check out the translation files into their correct places in their Pootle projects. The CVS or SVN meta files (CVS/ or .svn/) need to be there. This has to be done outside of Pootle.'' |
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</blockquote> |
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| ''TRA'' || Kostas Papadimas || Pootle: |
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Our efforts to contact or elucidate some sort of answers from the [[Pootle]] community have not been very effective for the moment... but hope is not lost! :) |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || John Sarlis || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [en] — [[English language]] — {{langname-en}} |
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=== Defining & using terminology === |
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|- |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/adding_a_terminology_project Pootle::Terminology]'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Sj|SJ Klein]] || Pootle: sj |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/terminology_matching Pootle::Matching]'' |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [es] — [[Spanish language]] — {{langname-es}} |
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This is an extremely helpful functionality, particularly if we want to open the translation process to non-professional and [[#Opportunistic translator]]s because it aids them in preserving the terminology that has been decided upon by the more involved segments of the community (ie: will the olpc.es translate "cat" as "gato" or "mish"?) |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Xavi|Xavier Alvarez]] || Pootle: Xavi |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:MauroPM|Mauro Parra-Miranda]] || Pootle: mauropm |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Dupuy|Alexander Dupuy]] || Pootle: Dupuy |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Yamaplos|Yamandú Ploskonka]] || Pootle: yamaplos |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:PilarSaenz|Pilar Saenz]] || Pootle: PilarSaenz |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:ChemaQ|Jameson Chema Quinn]] || Pootle: |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Sayamindu|Sayamindu Dasgupta]] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [fa] — [[Persian]] — {{langname-fa}} |
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The structure of the terminology file is a standard .PO file (ie: msgid / msgstr). And (apparently) many could co-exist (ie: <tt>color.po, hig.po</tt>, etc. There are ways {{pending|need to explore}} on how to override the default terminology searches per project. |
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| ''A'' || Behnam B. Marandi || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [fa-AF] — [[Dari]] — {{langname-fa-AF}} |
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Although the documentation is not crystal clear on where and how these terminology files would go, a simple test has been made and works. |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Sohaib_Ebtihaj|Sohaib Obaidi]] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [fi] — [[Finnish language]] — {{langname-fi}} |
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The steps, as an [[#User permissions|administrator]], were: |
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# Enable the languages for which you want to have terminology: |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''none'']] || Pootle: |
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#* in the [http://democentro.com:81/admin/projects.html projects] page head into the [http://democentro.com:81/projects/terminology/admin.html terminology] project |
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#* verify that the language is listed (if not [[#Languages|add it]]) (ie: [http://democentro.com:81/es/terminology/admin.html spanish terminology]) |
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#* verify that [[#user permissions]] are granted (if you are going to allow web-GUI edition of the terminology) |
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# Join the project |
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#* as an user, in your [[#User options]] join the ''terminology'' project |
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#* enter the project (ie: [http://democentro.com:81/es/terminology/index.html spanish terminology] |
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#* upload a new file or edit the existing one (ie: [http://democentro.com:81/es/terminology/xavitest.po?translate=1&view=1 xavitest.po] |
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You are 'done'. When later translating anything in the 'spanish' branch, the <tt>xavitest.po</tt> will be used to propose translations in a dynamic way. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ff] — [[Fula language]] — {{langname-ff}} |
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{{Pending|really done? Need to verify process}} |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || Ibrahima Sarr] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [fr] — [[French language]] — {{langname-fr}} |
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=== Taking advantage of translation memory === |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/updatetm Pootle::TM]'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Samybt|Samy Boutayeb]]|| Pootle: samybt |
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|- |
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| ''TR'' || [[User:Domeav|Dominique Eav]] || Pootle: domeav |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Genepi|Pierre Métras]] || Pootle: pierre |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Llaske|Lionel Laské]] || Pootle: llaske |
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|- |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Dupuy|Alexander Dupuy]] || Pootle: Dupuy |
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|- |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Yamaplos|Yamandú Ploskonka]] || Pootle: yamaplos |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:bzg|Bastien Guerry]] || Pootle: bzg |
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|- |
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| ''A'' || Jean-Christophe Helary || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [gl] — [[Galician language]] — {{langname-gl}} |
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; pre-test notes : This are some ideas, doubts and why-not stuff related to the reading of the documentation. |
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|- |
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: File per file is probably not desirable (ie: use one PO to generate a memory for another PO), so some sort of 'olpc' translation memory file (per language) should be made. |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''none'']] || Pootle: |
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: How do you generate the initial all-encompassing <tt>tm</tt> file? |
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|- |
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: Every time a new language or PO is added, the associated memories for them (as targets) should be (automatically?) created... |
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: Updating a POT (iow, a new version) should trigger the update of all languages. |
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: The updating (which is not done in real-time) would still need to be done in a reasonable time period. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [gu] — [[Gujarati language]] — {{langname-gu}} |
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=== User permissions === |
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|- |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/permissions Pootle::Permissions]'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || Kartik Mistry || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ha] — [[Hausa language]] — {{langname-ha}} |
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Permissions are granted or revoked within a specific language-project pair, and optionally, within that scope, to specific users. This means that the <tt>nobody & default</tt> users have local, instead of global, behaviors. |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''none'']] || Pootle: |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [hi] — [[Hindi language]] — {{langname-hi}} |
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The following is the list of the available permissions handled by [[Pootle]]. The actual description is a result of observation and deduction (haven't found a specific documentation on them), so they are to be considered with <tt>#, fuzzy</tt> tag... |
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| ''OTRA '' || [[User:satyag|''Satyaakam Goswami'']] || Pootle:satyaakam |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA '' || [[User:Shirish Goyal|''Shirish Goyal'']] || Pootle:shirish |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ht] — [[Kreyol Ayisyen|Haitian Creole language]] — {{langname-ht}} |
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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 |
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| ''TA'' || [[User:Mokurai|Edward MokuraiCherlin]] || Pootle: mokurai |
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|- |
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| ''TA'' || [[User:bzg|Bastien Guerry]] || Pootle: bzg |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Jude|Jude Augusma]] || Pootle: jude |
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|- |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Dupuy|Alexander Dupuy]] || Pootle: Dupuy |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:masterches|MasterChes]] || Pootle: Masterches |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || lacrete || Pootle: lacrete |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [id] — [[Indonesian|Indonesian language]] — {{langname-id}} |
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|- |
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! Permission !! Description !! Default users !! Comments |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Danoe]] || Pootle: |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! View |
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| ''A'' || [[User:Yamaplos|Yama Ploskonka]] || Pootle: Yamaplos |
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| Allows the browsing of the PO files and their translation |
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|- |
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| <tt>nobody, default</tt> |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ig] — [[Igbo language]] — {{langname-ig}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Suggest |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''unknown'']] || Pootle: |
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| Allows to suggest a translation |
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|- |
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| <tt>default</tt> |
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| this should be enabled for <tt>nobody</tt> if we want to make things simpler for the [[#Opportunistic translator]]. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [is] — [[Icelandic language]] — {{langname-is}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Translate |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Steinninn|Steinninn]] || Pootle: |
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| Allows to '''submit''' a translation. |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| By default there are no users allowed to translate forcing the administrator to ''grant'' this right—bureaucratic and restrictive. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [it] — [[Italian language]] — {{langname-it}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Overwrite |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:carlo|Carlo Falciola]] || Pootle: carlo |
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| When uploading a PO file, it allows the user to overwrite any existing file (iow, no merge of changes) |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| Handle with care. |
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|- |
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|- valign="top" |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:julie|Julieanne R.]] || Pootle: |
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! Review |
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|- |
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| Allows to approve/reject ''suggestions'' made by users capable of ''suggesting'' translations. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ja] — [[Japanese language]] — {{langname-ja}} |
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| ''none'' |
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|- |
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| ''see [[#Reviewer]]'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Spiky|Yoshiaki Sonoda]] || Pootle: Spiky |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Taizo1969|Taizo Shiozaki]] || Pootle: Taizo1969 |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Korakurider|Korakurider]] || Pootle: Korakurider |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Takashi|Takashi Yamamiya]] || Pootle: Takashi |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Kiryu|KIRYU Yasuo]] || Pootle: Kiryu |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Abee|Kazuhiro Abe]] || Pootle: Abee |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [km] — [[Khmer|Khmer language]] — {{langname-km}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Archive |
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| ''A'' || [[User:Mokurai|Edward Mokurai Cherlin]] || Pootle: mokurai |
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| Would allow the user to download the a set of PO files in zip format. Probably those of a language/project. |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| ''T'' || [[User:Lirit|Rit Lim]] || Pootle: Lirit |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ko] — [[Korean language]] — {{langname-ko}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Compile PO files |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Cymacyma|Cymacyma]] || Pootle: |
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| Allows an user to generate / compile the PO into MO files. |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:janggoon|YunJae Jang]] || Pootle: janggoon |
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| It is unknown where the MO files will reside, or how they will be transfered or made available. {{pending|need to explore}} |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:picxenk|SeungBum Kim]] || Pootle: picxenk |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:donghee|Donghee Park]] || Pootle: donghee |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [mk] — [[Macedonian language]] — {{langname-mk}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Assign |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Arangel|Arangel Angov]] || Pootle: Arangel |
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| Allows an user to assign files {{pending|(or chunks of files)}} amongst users that have been granted the '''translate''' permission. |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| {{pending|need to explore}} |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ml] — [[Malayalam|Malayalam language]] — {{langname-ml}} |
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|- valign="top" |
|||
|- |
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! Administrate |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Ani|Ani Peter]] || Pootle: anipeter |
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| It's granularity is not well defined (or understood): administrate everything (seems like it), or just a project? or just a language? or just a language-in-a-project? |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| {{pending|need to explore}} |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [mn] — [[Mongolian language]] — {{langname-mn}} |
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|- valign="top" |
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|- |
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! Commit |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Enkhzul|Enkhzul Gombodorj]] || Pootle: Enkhzul |
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| The holy grail or point of all this: make a translation available. |
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|- |
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| ''none'' |
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| ''OTRA'' || Odontsetseg Bat-Erdene || Pootle: |
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| Again, the granularity is not well defined or understood. {{pending|need to explore}} |
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|- |
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| ''O'' || [[User:Canderson|Cris Anderson]] || Pootle: anderson861 |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [mr] — [[Marathi|Marathi language]] — {{langname-mr}} |
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|} |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:swapnil|Swapnil Hajare]] || Pootle: swapnil |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Sayamindu|Sayamindu Dasgupta]] || Pootle: |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || Sandeep Shedmake || Pootle: |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [mvo] — [[Marovo|Marovo language (Solomon Islands)]] |
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=== Advanced site administration === |
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|- |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Leeming|David Leeming]] || Pootle: leemingd |
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|- |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Nukuman|Phillip Pukefenua]] || Pootle: Nukuman |
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|- |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Barighaza|Elnah Tati]] || Pootle: Barighaza |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [nau] — [[Nauru|Nauruan language]] |
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; Lowering latency through web servers : ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/apache Pootle::Apache]'' |
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|- |
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: ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/nginx Pootle::NginX]'' |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Leeming|David Leeming]] || Pootle: leemingd |
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; Translator statistics : ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/logstats Pootle::LogStats] |
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|- |
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; Configurable logos : ''see [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/important_changes Pootle::Changes] |
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| ''OT'' || Xavier Barker || Pootle: |
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; Removing / Renaming files : According to user friedel in [[IRC]]#pootle, you can 'safely' delete a file (and associates—ie: <tt>xyzzy.es.po.pending</tt>) without much to worry about. This has to be done outside of [[Pootle]]. |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ne] — [[Nepali language]] — {{langname-ne}} |
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== Proving Grounds == |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:guava|Prabhas Pokharel]] || Pootle: prabhas |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || Anjali Lohani || Pootle: anjali |
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|- |
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| ''OTR'' || Tsering Lama Sherpa || Pootle: tlsherpa |
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|- |
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| ''TRA'' || [[User:Shankar|Shankar Pokharel]] || Pootle: shankar |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [nl] — [[Dutch language]] — {{langname-nl}} |
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We are currently testing in an [http://democentro.com:81/ ad-hoc trial site] |
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|- |
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* [http://democentro.com:81/about.html about the pootle server] |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Bastiaan|Bastiaan Bakker]] || Pootle: bastiaan |
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* [http://democentro.com:81/projects/olpc/ olpc project] statistics |
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|- |
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*: (PO files were uploaded from fedora—except spanish, which came from the PO versions in the wiki) |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Myckel|Myckel Habets]] || Pootle: Myckel |
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|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || Jeroen ten Berge || Pootle: |
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|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [pa] — [[Punjabi language]] — {{langname-pa}} |
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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:right" |
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|- |
|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || Jaswinder Singh Phulewala || Pootle: |
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! Language !! colspan=2 | Translated !! colspan=2 | Fuzzy !! colspan=2 | Untranslated !! Total !! Diff.Spanish |
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|- |
|- |
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| ''OTRA '' || [[User:Shirish Goyal|''Shirish Goyal'']] || Pootle:shirish |
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| [http://democentro.com:81/ar/olpc/ arabic] || 198 || 78% || 7 || 2% || 48 || 18% || 253 || 1425 |
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|- |
|- |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [pap] — [[Papiamento language]] — {{langname-pap}} |
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| [http://democentro.com:81/pt_BR/olpc/ portuguese BR] || 174 || 84% || 12 || 5% || 19 || 9% || 205 || 1473 |
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|- |
|- |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:UWieske|Urso Wieske]] || Pootle: uwieske |
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| [http://democentro.com:81/fr/olpc/ french] || 144 || 67% || 15 || 7% || 53 || 25% || 212 || 1466 |
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| [http://democentro.com:81/pt/olpc/ portuguese] || 12 || 42% || 0 || 0% || 16 || 57% || 28 || 1650 |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Leeming|David Leeming]] || Pootle: leemingd |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Nukuman|Phillip Pukefenua]] || Pootle: Nukuman |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:barighaza|Elnah Tati]] || Pootle: Barighaza |
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| [http://democentro.com:81/es/olpc/ spanish] || 1336 || 79% || 342 || 20% || 0 || 0% || 1678 |
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== Observations == |
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* You can download the PO, so there's no forcing of the on-line UI. |
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* In the translation interface, fuzzy entries are grayed out and there's a gray vertical line separating the terms |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:idzikow|Wiktor Idzikowski]] || Pootle: idzikow |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:ohm|Michal Hobot]] || Pootle: ohm |
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== To Do == |
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=== Usage === |
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| ''TR'' || [[User:Usman Mansour|Usman Mansour]] || Pootle: usman1982 |
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* Define goals |
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* Assign translations |
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| ''OTA'' || [[User:HoboPrimate|Eduardo H. Silva]] || Pootle: HoboPrimate |
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* Merge of uploaded PO |
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* Check if there any kind of verification when a PO file is uploaded to ensure the up-to-dateness of the original POT on which it is based? (ie: a PO is loaded but the POT on which it is based is a an older version) |
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| ''OTRA'' || Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves || Pootle: |
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* Delete files (this is done outside of [[Pootle]] directly on them... some things will protest, but is the 'accepted procedure') |
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* Update from templates (this needs the git interface on one side, but also if a POT is updated by whichever means, the PO should be merged/solved) |
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* {{Pending|Define a workflow!}} — the [[#Basic Scenarios]] above just cover the translator part. After the git interface is tested, the handling of the developer input, and the [[Pootle]] output must be defined. |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [pt-BR] — [[Portuguese language]] — {{langname-pt-BR}} |
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=== Config === |
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| ''OTA'' || [[User:Juliano|Juliano Bittencourt]] || Pootle: juliano |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:HoboPrimate|Eduardo H. Silva]] || Pootle: HoboPrimate |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:Dupuy|Alexander Dupuy]] || Pootle: Dupuy |
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* Interface with GIT — both on importing POTs & POs from it & exporting POs back to it. |
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** [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control Version Control] doc ([http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/configure_version_control_authentication scant doc on configuration]) |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''unknown'']] || Pootle: |
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** [[User:Alfonsodg|Alfonso]] has patched the server with the git support and installed git in the server. So we should be almost in condition to start testing against dev.laptop.org. |
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* For completion's sake, language plurals & associated formulas must be defined (a bit pointless if developers don't actually do i18n right though, but...) |
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=== Done === |
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| ''AT'' || [https://launchpad.net/~adiroiban Adi Roiban] || Pootle: adiroiban1 |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:Maximilian|Maximilian Machedon]] || Pootle: |
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* user creation (both through the admin & registration interface that uses confirmation codes via mail) |
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* add / remove languages (basically reduced the set to green countries languages in order to focus attention) |
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| ''T'' || [[User:Aleksey|Aleksey Bragin]] || Pootle: fireball |
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* add project (only one for 'olpc' — deleting is |
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* associate languages & projects |
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| ''TA'' || [[User:Maxim|Maxim Osipov]] || Pootle: Maxim |
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* define permissions for nobody, default and specific user |
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* upload PO file (note: it doesn't verify against the templates, so you may end up uploading anything anywhere... handle with care) |
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| ''T'' || [[User:Nikita Bukhvostov|Nikita Bukhvostov]] || Pootle: ddjanic |
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* translate on line — may be a bit slow although it could be the browser, connection or server (see [[#Advanced site administration]]) |
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* used the ''suggest'' funcionality, hit bug with ''review'' (see [[#Bug dealing with Suggestions]]) |
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== Glitches == |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Carine.umutesi|Carine Umutesi]] || Pootle: |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Juliano|Juliano Bittencourt]] || Pootle: juliano |
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* Something related to encodings was wrong during the setup |
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*: Alfonso commented several language specs that apparently were iso8859 instead of UTF ?? |
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| ''ART'' || [[User:Menthal|Kent Dahl]] || Pootle: MenThal |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [sd] — [[Sindhi language]] — {{langname-sd}} |
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=== Bug dealing with Suggestions === |
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| ''OTRA'' || Naveed || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [si] — [[Sinhala language]] — {{langname-si}} |
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There seems to be something awry with the '''suggestions'''... somehow there seems to be a mismatch between the '''msgid''' for which the suggestion was made, and the '''msgid''' displayed in the review process. IOW, you suggest ''foo'' as a translation of ''bar'', but in the review process it will show it as a suggestion for ''xyzzy''!! {{pending|review problem!}} |
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| ''OTRA'' || Ishan Liyanage || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Hevafonsekage Joseph Priyanga Fonseka || Pootle: |
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Talking in [[IRC]]#pootle, the following emerged: the mechanism used to associate a given suggestion is based on the <tt>#:</tt> comments (usually documenting the source code line where the string is located). This mechanism fails when there are more than one strings extracted from the same source line. |
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| ''TR'' || ??? || Pootle: ? |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [sl] — [[Slovenian language]] — {{langname-sl}} |
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; Possible solutions & workarounds : the problem is relatively serious as it inhibits the [[#Opportunistic translator]] (or any other translator) from making suggestions (as they may get lost). |
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:* modify the source code to avoid having more than one <tt>gettext</tt> string per line. |
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| ''OTRA'' || Denis Oštir || Pootle: |
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:* modify the POT to avoid duplicate comments (iow, a manual process) |
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:* disable the suggestions |
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:** {{pending|explore}} the possibility of having the ''offending'' POT in another project where suggestions are not allowed (thus avoid reviewers get bitten by it). |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [sr] — [[Serbian language]] — {{langname-sr}} |
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:* patch [[Pootle]] (or file a bug) |
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| ''O'' || [[UserGoran_Rakić|Goran Rakić]] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [sv] — [[Swedish language]] — {{langname-sv}} |
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| ''OTRA'' || Mattias Ohlsson || Pootle: Sprak |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [te] — [[Telugu|Telugu language]] — {{langname-te}} |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:satya|Satyanarayana Murthy Saladi]] || Pootle: satya |
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| ''T'' || [[User:Veeven|Veeven]] || Pootle: veeven |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [th] — [[Thai|Thai language]] — {{langname-th}} |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:willwill|Manatsawin Hanmongkolchai]] || Pootle: willwill |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [tpi] — [[Tok Pisin language]] — {{langname-tpi}} |
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| ''OA'' || [[User:Leeming|David Leeming]] || Pootle: leemingd |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [tr] — [[Turkish language]] — {{langname-tr}} |
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| ''OTR'' || [[User:tomhannen|Tom Hannen]] || Pootle: tomhannen |
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| ''OTRA'' || Abdullah Kocabas || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Alp Simsek || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Petek Saracoglu || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Yasimin Gokce || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || Serkan Cabi || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [ur] — [[Urdu|Urdu language]] — {{langname-ur}} |
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| ''OT'' || [[User:FarhanKhan|Farhan Khan]] || Pootle: |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:HudaSarfraz|Huda Sarfraz]] || Pootle: Huda |
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| ''OTRA'' || [[User:Sulmanminhas|Salman Minhas]] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [vi] — [[Vietnamese language]] — {{langname-vi}} |
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| ''OTRA'' || Clytie Siddall || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [yo] — [[Yoruba language]] — {{langname-yo}} |
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| '' '' || [[User:XXX|''unknown'']] || Pootle: |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [zh-TW] — [[Chinese language]] — {{langname-zh-TW}} |
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| OTRA || [[User:YChao|Yuan Chao]] || Pootle: YuanChao |
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! style="background:lightgray; " colspan=3 | [zh-CN] — [[Chinese language]] — {{langname-zh}} |
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| TA || [[User:YChao|Yuan Chao]] || Pootle: YuanChao |
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; Role key |
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; ''O''-pportunistic : if you would be willing to make suggestions only to the translations (ie: fixing typos or alternative wordings that would be reviewed) |
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; ''T''-ranslator : actually translate strings |
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; ''R''-eviewer : process suggestions made by '''o'''pportunistic volunteers and overall checking of translated strings. |
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; [[Pootle/Administration|''A''-dministrate]] : a particular language (or a particular project in a given language). It involves '''r'''eviewing and other tasks (like determining [[#user permissions]], interfacing with d.l.o, etc). |
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; [http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization localization@lists.laptop.org] : subscription to this list is '''strongly recommended''' especially for possible administrators (even mandatory). Other roles should also consider joining it in order to keep track of eventual notifications and news. |
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== See also == |
== See also == |
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* User Guides — [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index#Guides af, cs, de, en, es, eu, fa, fr. |
* Pootle User Guides — [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index#Guides af, cs, de, en, es, eu, fa, fr]. |
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* [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/admin_guide Administrator guide] |
* [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/admin_guide Administrator guide] |
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* [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/site_administrator_s_guide Site administrator guide] |
* [http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/site_administrator_s_guide Site administrator guide] |
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* http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Translating_with_Pootle |
* http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Translating_with_Pootle |
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* http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3285?p=Pootle+and+Translate+Toolkit |
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* [[wikipedia:Pootle]] |
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* http://www.wordforge.org/drupal/en/projects/wordforge/tools/localegen — locale generator for OO (may give some ideas about what is ''not'' fixed) |
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[[Category:Localization]] |
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[[Category:Language_support]] |
Latest revision as of 08:31, 13 January 2013
All data and user accounts should work in the new Pootle installation. |
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- UPDATE
- The test has gone forward and we are in the process of establishing the workflow to make it the Localization (L10N) platform of the XO.
- WANTED
- Volunteers both for translating and coordinating. If interested sign-up as a volunteer!
Some ways to find the translate server:
These are the notes taken and rough sketches for the processes involved in the localization effort in order to use Pootle as a more liberal L10n platform.
There are several scenarios that depend on the roles and their associated responsibilities (ie: translators, coders, administrators, etc). Below we outline the two most important ones from the POV of the translators that we could classify as either the opportunistic translator (fixing a typo or translating a few missing strings) and a registered translator (that is somehow more committed with the whole l10n reality).
If we consider that in the ultimate case children will be dealing with code (thus with gettext), we want things and processes to be as simple and straight forward as possible, so that in the end anybody, including children, will be able to translate or at least localize content to some degree. With this in mind, we aim for an environment that will:
- allow anybody to make suggestions,
- allow registered and trusted users to review and make translations, and
- administrators to commit.
How to Translate for OLPC XO and Sugar using Pootle
- See slides at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/452
i18n & L10n
Most people will argue that localization (L10n / l10n) concerns and issues should be tackled way before coding is finished, and quite a few will categorically say that it will be too late by then. Avoiding the philosophical and formal aspects, and taking a more pragmatic approach, L10n is usually an afterthought and internationalization (i18n) an annoying prerequisite... that has to be done.
In the context of the OLPC XO software and activities, and for practical purposes will avoid the debate on exactly where does L10n meets the code and start from the point where the output of i18n is used as the input for the l10n process. In other words, we'll elaborate based on the simplistic model that goes along the line:
- programmer uses gettext function calls around human readable language in the source code
- generate POT (gettext Portable Object Template) from the source code (output of the i18n process)
- generate PO (gettext Portable Object) based on POT
- translate / populate the PO with locale specific content
- generate the final PO (or MO) (gettext Machine Object, output of the l10n process)
- the executable code uses the PO (or MO) to comunicate with the final user
Developers
the Translate project's guide, KDE i18n guide, GNU gettext manual and other sources
Developers willing to read a bit more about i18n & L10n, should review the links above. Regardless of how much or how good the i18n effort is, Pootle's needs one (or more) .POT files. Developers should be aware that localization is NOT just about instrumenting strings, as it includes plurals, numbers, dates, currencies, text-flow, scripts, fonts... and that it needs to be tested (ie: pseudolocalization testing) that needs to be considered in the overall development cycle. Also, if you want your activity to be properly localized, think about commenting your strings.
Translators
- see Translating for the OLPC project using Pootle, The Translator's Guide, L10n guide, translation guide, more links to come...
Being able to understand or grasp the intended meaning of some text in a language does not make you a translator, but "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." and all collaborations are welcome, although we also recommend reading some guidelines and documentation that may at least help you avoid some of the basic or typical errors and pitfalls.
Basic Scenarios
The basic idea is to allow the participation of anybody willing to put some effort while trying to keep a given quality of the translations.
- You can download the PO, so there's no forcing of the on-line UI (although you need the upload right to inject it back. So before going the offline road please coordinate with the admins.
- In the translation interface, fuzzy entries are grayed out and there's a gray vertical line separating the terms
Opportunistic translator
This user just wants to help. She/he doesn't want to get tangled in the administrative tasks. The only possible collaboration available is to suggest translations (which will be reviewed by users who have been granted the Review permission in a particular language).
After navigating to the olpc pootle server project: olpc language: spanish to finally reach a file (ie: TamTamSynthLab)
The interface will display a series of PO entries (one will have the focus—if it doesn't, you can double click the entry, or hovering over one will make an 'Edit' link appear that enables it—showing an entry field, and the following controls:
a picture is worth 1000 words
- Back & Skip buttons — jump to the previous or next entry
- Copy button — copies the original (msgid) value and continues in edit mode
- Suggest button — the actual collaboration of suggesting a translation
- Fuzzy checkbox — denotes that the suggested translation is/is not 100% trustworthy
- Special characters specific to the language (see #Languages)
- grow / shrink — allows growing and shrinking of the entry field (see #User options
- Translator comments field — comments either extracted from the source code, or added by other translators
The opportunistic translator then proceeds to navigate the file/s entering suggestions (to be processed later by the reviewers).
- Admin notes
- The Suggest permission must be granted on a per-language-project basis.
- Each language may have specific or special characters that are may not be available in the user's keyboard, but can be provided for in the #Language specification.
Registered translator
Except for the mandatory pre-condition to register, which enables the extra [Submit] button when translating, the overall process is quite similar to that of the #Opportunistic translator. On the other hand, several user-specific permissions may apply (ie: off-line translation) and the GUI will adapt and offer them. Also, as a registered translator, you may be assigned specific files or strings to translate and/or review, allowing to better coordinate the overall effort.
- Admin notes
- In a collaborative and low-entry-barrier process, the administrator/s should enable the default user to actually translate — Navigation: admin | projects | project_name | language | permissions +Translate.
- The default #user permissions apply to any registered user (unless they are overridden in a case-by-case approach). In the out-of-the-box install they include: View, Suggest, Archive & Compile PO files
User Scenarios
Register as a translator
- Head towards the pootle site
- Follow the register link where you fill in the following fields: Username, Password, Confirm password, Full Name & Email Address; click on the [Register Account] button that will send a confirmation message to the email address with an activation code.
- Following the link in the email will activate the newly created account after which you will be asked to log in.
User options
In your user page there's a link to Change options that will allow you define some things:
- Projects you wish to participate (for the moment only olpc should be considered a valid option)
- Languages you wish to collaborate in. If you don't find your language, as an administrator you can associate it to the project (see #Languages) or as a mere mortal, you should contact an administrator.
- Other options like personal data & translation UI are present.
After configuring, don't forget to hit the [Save changes] button to make them effective, after which you can return to your #user page by means of the Home Page link.
User page
- aka: 'Home', or 'My account' page.
You can reach your user page following the Home or My account link (depending on where you are) and it will show the appropriate links to the selected projects grouped by languages:
- The language link takes you to the statistics page per project
- the project-in-a-language link takes you the the statistics page displaying all its files
Advanced User Scenarios
Reviewer
A user who has been granted the Review permission, may accept or reject the suggestions made by users (who must have the Suggest permission). The way to do this is there another? is to go to a language/project combination (ie: spanish-olpc) and follow the Show Editing Functions. Here you have two alternatives: review the whole set of suggestions in the language-project set, or work on the suggestions present in a specific file (ie: all suggestions or TamTamSynthLab suggestions).
Once in the review UI, the reviewer has four options: Accept, Reject, Back or Skip which are self evident, but nevertheless will mention:
Accept | the reviewer translator accepts the suggestion and is registered |
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Reject | the suggested translation is rejected does that mean erased for the user or the file? |
Back | goes to the previous suggestion assume a previous non-accepted/rejected suggestion |
Skip | goes to the next available suggestion |
In the case where multiple suggestions have been made, each one has its Accept & Reject buttons, while only the last will have the Back & Skip buttons.
Regardless of the multiplicity of suggestions, each suggested string will be diffed with the current string highlighting the changes. It also displays (if available) the name of the user that made the suggestion.
Editing functions
This section of the UI displays on a per-file basis several functionalities that depend on the permissions of the user:
Translate All | Goes to each string individually no matter what their state, across all files |
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Quick Translate | Only go to strings that are fuzzy or untranslated, across all files |
Translate My Strings | As Translate All but only go to strings that are assigned to you. |
Quick Translate My Strings | As with Quick Translate but only go to fuzzy and untranslated strings that are assigned to you. |
PO file | used for off-line translators in order to retrieve the whole .PO file. |
XLIFF file | used for off-line translators and interfaces to retrieve the whole file in said format. explore |
Qt .ts file | explore |
CSV file | explore |
Show checks
- For more information on the quality checks, see the documentation.
This functionality is a real helper (at least for latin scripts) as it runs a series of checks on the translations. So Pootle besides the obvious verification of translated+fuzzy+untranslated check, it verifies:
- simplecaps — for extra capital letters
- startcaps — initial capital letter matches between source & translation
- startpunc — if the original doesn't start with a letter, the translation probably shouldn't either
- unchanged — the source & translation are the same
- others — for a total of 44 checks. The most important being the critical tests: accelerators, escapes, newlines, nplurals, printf, tabs, variables and xmltags
Obviously, these checks, as any automated language process, are to be taken as a guidance and not as a rule. The check behaviour can be adjusted for a language, e.g. simplecaps could be disabled for a language that does not have a concept of capitals, doublequoting can be made aware of quote characters used in a language. These are changed by providing a lang module e.g. Japanese and French.
Zip of folder
Actually, any 'grouping' of PO files may be downloaded as a ZIP file if the user has the archive right. In other words, you can download the files in a language, goal, file, etc. It may be possible that Pootle extracts and recombines from several files in order to provide the zip with say 'My Strings' for offline work.
Administration
User permissions
See Pootle/Administration#User permissions
Sign-up
If interested in the Localization effort, please sign up below. Although we are focusing on Amharic, Arabic, English, Spanish, French, Hausa, Hindi, Igbo, Nepali, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Kinyarwanda, Thai, Urdu, & Yoruba and Give One Get One languages, any other language is welcome. If you are not subscribed to localization@lists.laptop.org we strongly suggest you do so.
The more current list, generated every week from the Pootle server.
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See also
- Pootle User Guides — af, cs, de, en, es, eu, fa, fr.
- Administrator guide
- Site administrator guide
- http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Translating_with_Pootle
- http://www.ohloh.net/projects/3285?p=Pootle+and+Translate+Toolkit
- wikipedia:Pootle
- http://www.wordforge.org/drupal/en/projects/wordforge/tools/localegen — locale generator for OO (may give some ideas about what is not fixed)